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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

The consensus I’ve read is, McCarthy missed some throws but had a good workout.

His lack of production in college has not held him back - from a draftnik perspective - because he looked very good within the production he did have, plus his winning record including the championship.

For my money, I think he’s iffy along with Penix. Its almost like he’s a bit of a mystery but he’s been given the benefit of the doubt because of his reputation among scouts.

I’ll take any one of the top six QBs … I’d rather not give up an obscene amount of assets to get one but the sting of that is much less than not getting one period.

Desperate times.

Dallas Turner in the first and Nix or Penix in the 2nd. If not then we get the best QB we can in FA and draft a QB next year. Or maybe we really like Michael Pratt.

Waiting until next year … year #4 for this regime … to get a young QB would be an absolute fail by this gm hc and organization.

I know some things are out of their control but if they can’t figure it out while drafting 11 in a very strong year for QBs …

they should be fired.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Chris Simms is my favorite draft analyst when it comes to QBs. That doesn't mean I will agree with every one of his takes, but I will second guess my opinions when he explains his reasoning. He thinks Caleb Williams is far and away the best QB in the draft. I like everything he has to say about him. However, he's going to play for the Bears so his career could be over before it starts. He has Jayden Daniels in his own tier as 2nd best in the draft. Coming in 3rd is Bo Nix, 4th is Penix, 5th is McCarthy and 6th is Maye. He's guaranteeing that Maye will be available when the Vikings pick and believes we should NOT take him. This is a very in depth analysis of the top 6 QBs in his opinion in the draft. It's brand new. Just came out earlier today. It's 2 hours so will require some serious attention span, but IMO it's well worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEAeopuBfU8

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Now there's an "official rumor" the Vikings will take McCarthy if available at 11. If this is actually the case whoever leaked it should be shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2-mhIUp1c

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

The consensus I’ve read is, McCarthy missed some throws but had a good workout.

His lack of production in college has not held him back - from a draftnik perspective - because he looked very good within the production he did have, plus his winning record including the championship.

For my money, I think he’s iffy along with Penix. Its almost like he’s a bit of a mystery but he’s been given the benefit of the doubt because of his reputation among scouts.

I’ll take any one of the top six QBs … I’d rather not give up an obscene amount of assets to get one but the sting of that is much less than not getting one period.

Desperate times.

Dallas Turner in the first and Nix or Penix in the 2nd. If not then we get the best QB we can in FA and draft a QB next year. Or maybe we really like Michael Pratt.

Waiting until next year … year #4 for this regime … to get a young QB would be an absolute fail by this gm hc and organization.

I know some things are out of their control but if they can’t figure it out while drafting 11 in a very strong year for QBs …

they should be fired.

We had Kirk Cousins the first 2 years of their regime. I think Kwesi should be fired regardless, but not getting a young soon to be star QB is not something I'm going to fault him for at this time. Good chance one of the best QBs will be available in the 2nd round. Just because we don't trade up or pick a QB at 11 doesn't mean we won't get a talented young QB.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Now there's an "official rumor" the Vikings will take McCarthy if available at 11. If this is actually the case whoever leaked it should be shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2-mhIUp1c

Keep in mind it's "lying season".

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

The consensus I’ve read is, McCarthy missed some throws but had a good workout.

His lack of production in college has not held him back - from a draftnik perspective - because he looked very good within the production he did have, plus his winning record including the championship.

For my money, I think he’s iffy along with Penix. Its almost like he’s a bit of a mystery but he’s been given the benefit of the doubt because of his reputation among scouts.

I’ll take any one of the top six QBs … I’d rather not give up an obscene amount of assets to get one but the sting of that is much less than not getting one period.

Desperate times.

Dallas Turner in the first and Nix or Penix in the 2nd. If not then we get the best QB we can in FA and draft a QB next year. Or maybe we really like Michael Pratt.

Waiting until next year … year #4 for this regime … to get a young QB would be an absolute fail by this gm hc and organization.

I know some things are out of their control but if they can’t figure it out while drafting 11 in a very strong year for QBs …

they should be fired.

We had Kirk Cousins the first 2 years of their regime. I think Kwesi should be fired regardless, but not getting a young soon to be star QB is not something I'm going to fault him for at this time. Good chance one of the best QBs will be available in the 2nd round. Just because we don't trade up or pick a QB at 11 doesn't mean we won't get a talented young QB.

Exactly, they had Cousins their first two years. That is a fireable offense as is.

If they dont land one of the first or second tier QB prospects this draft, off with their heads.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Now there's an "official rumor" the Vikings will take McCarthy if available at 11. If this is actually the case whoever leaked it should be shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2-mhIUp1c

Keep in mind it's "lying season".

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Now there's an "official rumor" the Vikings will take McCarthy if available at 11. If this is actually the case whoever leaked it should be shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2-mhIUp1c

Keep in mind it's "lying season".

If we stay at 11 and McCarthy is there, I'll be shocked if we pass on him.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

The consensus I’ve read is, McCarthy missed some throws but had a good workout.

His lack of production in college has not held him back - from a draftnik perspective - because he looked very good within the production he did have, plus his winning record including the championship.

For my money, I think he’s iffy along with Penix. Its almost like he’s a bit of a mystery but he’s been given the benefit of the doubt because of his reputation among scouts.

I’ll take any one of the top six QBs … I’d rather not give up an obscene amount of assets to get one but the sting of that is much less than not getting one period.

Desperate times.

Dallas Turner in the first and Nix or Penix in the 2nd. If not then we get the best QB we can in FA and draft a QB next year. Or maybe we really like Michael Pratt.

Waiting until next year … year #4 for this regime … to get a young QB would be an absolute fail by this gm hc and organization.

I know some things are out of their control but if they can’t figure it out while drafting 11 in a very strong year for QBs …

they should be fired.

We had Kirk Cousins the first 2 years of their regime. I think Kwesi should be fired regardless, but not getting a young soon to be star QB is not something I'm going to fault him for at this time. Good chance one of the best QBs will be available in the 2nd round. Just because we don't trade up or pick a QB at 11 doesn't mean we won't get a talented young QB.

Exactly, they had Cousins their first two years. That is a fireable offense as is.

If they dont land one of the first or second tier QB prospects this draft, off with their heads.

Kirk was playing at a near MVP level last year prior to the injury. This year it will be tough to get a first or 2nd tier QB. Chris Simms has the tiers Tier 1 Williams. Tier 2 Daniels. Tier 3 Nix, Penix, and McCarthy. Tier 4 Maye. A tier 3 should be doable if we use pick 11 on him. I take it you would not want us to take a Defender there and take the chance of one lasting until the 2nd round or trying to trade back into the first for one of them.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Now there's an "official rumor" the Vikings will take McCarthy if available at 11. If this is actually the case whoever leaked it should be shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2-mhIUp1c

Keep in mind it's "lying season".

If we stay at 11 and McCarthy is there, I'll be shocked if we pass on him.

What if McCarthy and Maye are both there at 11?

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Now there's an "official rumor" the Vikings will take McCarthy if available at 11. If this is actually the case whoever leaked it should be shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2-mhIUp1c

Keep in mind it's "lying season".

If we stay at 11 and McCarthy is there, I'll be shocked if we pass on him.

What if McCarthy and Maye are both there at 11?

Knowing Queasy, he'll draft a TE.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Now there's an "official rumor" the Vikings will take McCarthy if available at 11. If this is actually the case whoever leaked it should be shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2-mhIUp1c

Keep in mind it's "lying season".

If we stay at 11 and McCarthy is there, I'll be shocked if we pass on him.

What if McCarthy and Maye are both there at 11?

Knowing Queasy, he'll draft a TE.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

The consensus I’ve read is, McCarthy missed some throws but had a good workout.

His lack of production in college has not held him back - from a draftnik perspective - because he looked very good within the production he did have, plus his winning record including the championship.

For my money, I think he’s iffy along with Penix. Its almost like he’s a bit of a mystery but he’s been given the benefit of the doubt because of his reputation among scouts.

I’ll take any one of the top six QBs … I’d rather not give up an obscene amount of assets to get one but the sting of that is much less than not getting one period.

Desperate times.

Dallas Turner in the first and Nix or Penix in the 2nd. If not then we get the best QB we can in FA and draft a QB next year. Or maybe we really like Michael Pratt.

Waiting until next year … year #4 for this regime … to get a young QB would be an absolute fail by this gm hc and organization.

I know some things are out of their control but if they can’t figure it out while drafting 11 in a very strong year for QBs …

they should be fired.

We had Kirk Cousins the first 2 years of their regime. I think Kwesi should be fired regardless, but not getting a young soon to be star QB is not something I'm going to fault him for at this time. Good chance one of the best QBs will be available in the 2nd round. Just because we don't trade up or pick a QB at 11 doesn't mean we won't get a talented young QB.

Exactly, they had Cousins their first two years. That is a fireable offense as is.

If they dont land one of the first or second tier QB prospects this draft, off with their heads.

Kirk was playing at a near MVP level last year prior to the injury. This year it will be tough to get a first or 2nd tier QB. Chris Simms has the tiers Tier 1 Williams. Tier 2 Daniels. Tier 3 Nix, Penix, and McCarthy. Tier 4 Maye. A tier 3 should be doable if we use pick 11 on him. I take it you would not want us to take a Defender there and take the chance of one lasting until the 2nd round or trying to trade back into the first for one of them.

You mean after starting the season 1-4?

Cousins helped us lose one playoff game during the Kwesi Kevin regime?

That equals a dead end. Period.

Cousins Mullens + Hall and our lack of planning has left us more barren than an Arrakis wormhole.

As far as as Simms ... I find him entertaining but nobody has any idea how this is going to turn out including the the teams drafting. He's no more authoritative than anybody else. Every year Simms tries to throw something provocative out there / to go against the grain. That's not being knowledgeable, that's seeking attention.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

The consensus I’ve read is, McCarthy missed some throws but had a good workout.

His lack of production in college has not held him back - from a draftnik perspective - because he looked very good within the production he did have, plus his winning record including the championship.

For my money, I think he’s iffy along with Penix. Its almost like he’s a bit of a mystery but he’s been given the benefit of the doubt because of his reputation among scouts.

I’ll take any one of the top six QBs … I’d rather not give up an obscene amount of assets to get one but the sting of that is much less than not getting one period.

Desperate times.

Dallas Turner in the first and Nix or Penix in the 2nd. If not then we get the best QB we can in FA and draft a QB next year. Or maybe we really like Michael Pratt.

Waiting until next year … year #4 for this regime … to get a young QB would be an absolute fail by this gm hc and organization.

I know some things are out of their control but if they can’t figure it out while drafting 11 in a very strong year for QBs …

they should be fired.

We had Kirk Cousins the first 2 years of their regime. I think Kwesi should be fired regardless, but not getting a young soon to be star QB is not something I'm going to fault him for at this time. Good chance one of the best QBs will be available in the 2nd round. Just because we don't trade up or pick a QB at 11 doesn't mean we won't get a talented young QB.

Exactly, they had Cousins their first two years. That is a fireable offense as is.

If they dont land one of the first or second tier QB prospects this draft, off with their heads.

Kirk was playing at a near MVP level last year prior to the injury. This year it will be tough to get a first or 2nd tier QB. Chris Simms has the tiers Tier 1 Williams. Tier 2 Daniels. Tier 3 Nix, Penix, and McCarthy. Tier 4 Maye. A tier 3 should be doable if we use pick 11 on him. I take it you would not want us to take a Defender there and take the chance of one lasting until the 2nd round or trying to trade back into the first for one of them.

You mean after starting the season 1-4?

Cousins helped us lose one playoff game during the Kwesi Kevin regime?

That equals a dead end. Period.

Cousins Mullens + Hall and our lack of planning has left us more barren than an Arrakis wormhole.

As far as as Simms ... I find him entertaining but nobody has any idea how this is going to turn out including the the teams drafting. He's no more authoritative than anybody else. Every year Simms tries to throw something provocative out there / to go against the grain. That's not being knowledgeable, that's seeking attention.

Cousins didn't start 1-4. The Vikings did due to every reason other than Cousins. The national media announcers were saying Kirk was playing at an MVP level. It wasn't me. I'm predicting Simms is right and Maye falls at least as far as us. We could be wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

I agree. There isn't a free agent QB worth the investment and there is no way I'd trade for Fields. Maybe a cheap bridge like Wilson but really it just leaves the draft. A failure to draft one of the top QB's is a fireable offense. I've never had so little faith in a Vikings GM in my life. He just doesn't seem to have any "feel" for the job and I've been unable to identify or understand what his "plan" is to get the Vikings to the Super Bowl. Maybe I'm missing something and he's got a super secret plan to build a dynasty...but, that's just the fan in me hoping for the best.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

I agree. There isn't a free agent QB worth the investment and there is no way I'd trade for Fields. Maybe a cheap bridge like Wilson but really it just leaves the draft. A failure to draft one of the top QB's is a fireable offense. I've never had so little faith in a Vikings GM in my life. He just doesn't seem to have any "feel" for the job and I've been unable to identify or understand what his "plan" is to get the Vikings to the Super Bowl. Maybe I'm missing something and he's got a super secret plan to build a dynasty...but, that's just the fan in me hoping for the best.

We are up against it for sure.

So much is out of our control.

Its not luck, we have put ourselves in this position.

Cousins Mullens Hall is no better than Cousins Mannion Mond.

I will keep hoping for the clouds to part and something dramatic to happen. I'm afraid it will have to be unintentional to turn out good.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

I agree. There isn't a free agent QB worth the investment and there is no way I'd trade for Fields. Maybe a cheap bridge like Wilson but really it just leaves the draft. A failure to draft one of the top QB's is a fireable offense. I've never had so little faith in a Vikings GM in my life. He just doesn't seem to have any "feel" for the job and I've been unable to identify or understand what his "plan" is to get the Vikings to the Super Bowl. Maybe I'm missing something and he's got a super secret plan to build a dynasty...but, that's just the fan in me hoping for the best.

We are up against it for sure.

So much is out of our control.

Its not luck, we have put ourselves in this position.

Cousins Mullens Hall is no better than Cousins Mannion Mond.

I will keep hoping for the clouds to part and something dramatic to happen. I'm afraid it will have to be unintentional to turn out good.

Mullens is at least fascinating to watch as every single play could be a score or a turnover.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Just keep in mind, you and Sims could GUESS right or wrong. Its still a wild guess.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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I agree. There isn't a free agent QB worth the investment and there is no way I'd trade for Fields. Maybe a cheap bridge like Wilson but really it just leaves the draft. A failure to draft one of the top QB's is a fireable offense. I've never had so little faith in a Vikings GM in my life. He just doesn't seem to have any "feel" for the job and I've been unable to identify or understand what his "plan" is to get the Vikings to the Super Bowl. Maybe I'm missing something and he's got a super secret plan to build a dynasty...but, that's just the fan in me hoping for the best.

We are up against it for sure.

So much is out of our control.

Its not luck, we have put ourselves in this position.

Cousins Mullens Hall is no better than Cousins Mannion Mond.

I will keep hoping for the clouds to part and something dramatic to happen. I'm afraid it will have to be unintentional to turn out good.

Mullens is at least fascinating to watch as every single play could be a score or a turnover.

Give him his due – most QBs don't wait to throw the ball until after they've being sacked.

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

I agree. There isn't a free agent QB worth the investment and there is no way I'd trade for Fields. Maybe a cheap bridge like Wilson but really it just leaves the draft. A failure to draft one of the top QB's is a fireable offense. I've never had so little faith in a Vikings GM in my life. He just doesn't seem to have any "feel" for the job and I've been unable to identify or understand what his "plan" is to get the Vikings to the Super Bowl. Maybe I'm missing something and he's got a super secret plan to build a dynasty...but, that's just the fan in me hoping for the best.