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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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As noted in the story, Greenard is due $19 million in (non-guaranteed) money in 2026. For context:

Top dollar for an edge rusher in the NFL is $40 million per year (Micah Parsons).

Average of top 10 edge rushers for 2026: $27.9 million/year

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/48090802/vikings-mull-trading-olb-greenard-cap-issues-swirl

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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watch this video, and you'll come away thinking; mccarthy starts, and we keep nailor...i did....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIMjRRfg_vA

That is my guess, too

mccarthy - starts
tua - 2nd string...could play a few games - only if he's cheap
wentz - when the first two can't play

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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watch this video, and you'll come away thinking; mccarthy starts, and we keep nailor...i did....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIMjRRfg_vA

That is my guess, too

mccarthy - starts
tua - 2nd string...could play a few games - only if he's cheap
wentz - when the first two can't play

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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watch this video, and you'll come away thinking; mccarthy starts, and we keep nailor...i did....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIMjRRfg_vA

That is my guess, too

mccarthy - starts
tua - 2nd string...could play a few games - only if he's cheap
wentz - when the first two can't play

Can't think of a worse way to slap Flores in the face than signing the walking concussion from Miami.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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watch this video, and you'll come away thinking; mccarthy starts, and we keep nailor...i did....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIMjRRfg_vA

That is my guess, too

mccarthy - starts
tua - 2nd string...could play a few games - only if he's cheap
wentz - when the first two can't play

Can't think of a worse way to slap Flores in the face than signing the walking concussion from Miami.

And he's not going to want to come here.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

This FA and rookie QB class is trash.

I'm rolling with JJM as QB1 and Wentz as QB2.

When playcalling moved to his strengths, he played much better. JJM played poorly, but the OL turnstile (Skule et al), a very disproportionate number of drops by WR/TE, and KOC's stubbornness with playcalling did not help.

I'd rather not waste roster spots/FA money/draft capital on dogshit QB. Let's build other areas. Like the interior OL and DL....again.....

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Lars

This FA and rookie QB class is trash.

I'm rolling with JJM as QB1 and Wentz as QB2.

When playcalling moved to his strengths, he played much better. JJM played poorly, but the OL turnstile (Skule et al), a very disproportionate number of drops by WR/TE, and KOC's stubbornness with playcalling did not help.

I'd rather not waste roster spots/FA money/draft capital on dogshit QB. Let's build other areas. Like the interior OL and DL....again.....

I am sorry, no disrespect but I cant think of a worse plan than, right at this moment, intending to start the season with JJ and Wentz.

Absolute hubris by KOC … to do that to the other players on this team.

There’s a word for believing that your abject failure last season WILL be successful this season if you give it a tweak or tidying up a bit, a little qb whispering … and that word is ‘ayahuasca.’

Its a another way of saying do nothing … and putting a priority on making yourself look better than genuinely trying to fix a disaster.

If you added Darnold to Jeff’s list two years ago he probably would have fit in the bottom to middle. There just has to be a way to squeeze more out of the position than JJ on the sideline and Wentz on the sideline blubbering.

IMO

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Lars

This FA and rookie QB class is trash.

I'm rolling with JJM as QB1 and Wentz as QB2.

When playcalling moved to his strengths, he played much better. JJM played poorly, but the OL turnstile (Skule et al), a very disproportionate number of drops by WR/TE, and KOC's stubbornness with playcalling did not help.

I'd rather not waste roster spots/FA money/draft capital on dogshit QB. Let's build other areas. Like the interior OL and DL....again.....

I am sorry, no disrespect but I cant think of a worse plan than, right at this moment, intending to start the season with JJ and Wentz.

Absolute hubris by KOC … to do that to the other players on this team.

There’s a word for believing that your abject failure last season WILL be successful this season if you give it a tweak or tidying up a bit, a little qb whispering … and that word is ‘ayahuasca.’

Its a another way of saying do nothing … and putting a priority on making yourself look better than genuinely trying to fix a disaster.

If you added Darnold to Jeff’s list two years ago he probably would have fit in the bottom to middle. There just has to be a way to squeeze more out of the position than JJ on the sideline and Wentz on the sideline blubbering.

IMO

But he's saying the other QBs are trash. Certainly not needle movers. Agree with that but also the regime owes the players more.

Kinda up shit's creek w/o a paddle.

Brzez will figure it all out [:@]

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

i see no reason not to sign Murray at the vet min.

Yes there are concerns about system fit but that's on O'Connell. Adjust your system to fit what your players do well.

I also think it's possible Murray has matured some after being benched and now released.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Lars

This FA and rookie QB class is trash.

I'm rolling with JJM as QB1 and Wentz as QB2.

When playcalling moved to his strengths, he played much better. JJM played poorly, but the OL turnstile (Skule et al), a very disproportionate number of drops by WR/TE, and KOC's stubbornness with playcalling did not help.

I'd rather not waste roster spots/FA money/draft capital on dogshit QB. Let's build other areas. Like the interior OL and DL....again.....

I am sorry, no disrespect but I cant think of a worse plan than, right at this moment, intending to start the season with JJ and Wentz.

Absolute hubris by KOC … to do that to the other players on this team.

There’s a word for believing that your abject failure last season WILL be successful this season if you give it a tweak or tidying up a bit, a little qb whispering … and that word is ‘ayahuasca.’

Its a another way of saying do nothing … and putting a priority on making yourself look better than genuinely trying to fix a disaster.

If you added Darnold to Jeff’s list two years ago he probably would have fit in the bottom to middle. There just has to be a way to squeeze more out of the position than JJ on the sideline and Wentz on the sideline blubbering.

IMO

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Lars

This FA and rookie QB class is trash.

I'm rolling with JJM as QB1 and Wentz as QB2.

When playcalling moved to his strengths, he played much better. JJM played poorly, but the OL turnstile (Skule et al), a very disproportionate number of drops by WR/TE, and KOC's stubbornness with playcalling did not help.

I'd rather not waste roster spots/FA money/draft capital on dogshit QB. Let's build other areas. Like the interior OL and DL....again.....

I am sorry, no disrespect but I cant think of a worse plan than, right at this moment, intending to start the season with JJ and Wentz.

Absolute hubris by KOC … to do that to the other players on this team.

There’s a word for believing that your abject failure last season WILL be successful this season if you give it a tweak or tidying up a bit, a little qb whispering … and that word is ‘ayahuasca.’

Its a another way of saying do nothing … and putting a priority on making yourself look better than genuinely trying to fix a disaster.

If you added Darnold to Jeff’s list two years ago he probably would have fit in the bottom to middle. There just has to be a way to squeeze more out of the position than JJ on the sideline and Wentz on the sideline blubbering.

IMO

No offense taken!

IMHO, all of the FA and rookie QB options are horrible. If they were not, I would have a different view. I'd rather spend the money and picks on other areas rather than waste them on what will be crap.

JJM has not even played 16 games yet. Maybe we see what we have? Recent history with Caleb Williams even shows teams should show some patience (and he still makes lots of mistakes).

I readily admit that I have JJM bias. I think that he can become a great QB and would like the see MIN give him the reigns this year.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Lars

This FA and rookie QB class is trash.

I'm rolling with JJM as QB1 and Wentz as QB2.

When playcalling moved to his strengths, he played much better. JJM played poorly, but the OL turnstile (Skule et al), a very disproportionate number of drops by WR/TE, and KOC's stubbornness with playcalling did not help.

I'd rather not waste roster spots/FA money/draft capital on dogshit QB. Let's build other areas. Like the interior OL and DL....again.....

I am sorry, no disrespect but I cant think of a worse plan than, right at this moment, intending to start the season with JJ and Wentz.

Absolute hubris by KOC … to do that to the other players on this team.

There’s a word for believing that your abject failure last season WILL be successful this season if you give it a tweak or tidying up a bit, a little qb whispering … and that word is ‘ayahuasca.’

Its a another way of saying do nothing … and putting a priority on making yourself look better than genuinely trying to fix a disaster.

If you added Darnold to Jeff’s list two years ago he probably would have fit in the bottom to middle. There just has to be a way to squeeze more out of the position than JJ on the sideline and Wentz on the sideline blubbering.

IMO

No offense taken!

IMHO, all of the FA and rookie QB options are horrible. If they were not, I would have a different view. I'd rather spend the money and picks on other areas rather than waste them on what will be crap.

JJM has not even played 16 games yet. Maybe we see what we have? Recent history with Caleb Williams even shows teams should show some patience (and he still makes lots of mistakes).

I readily admit that I have JJM bias. I think that he can become a great QB and would like the see MIN give him the reigns this year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Cap savings

Hargrave 11
Jones 7.8
Allen 6.5
Kelly 8.3
Hock 8.9
TOTAL 42.5

That gets us to $5M over which is nothing. Will still need a surplus but that's easily done via kicking the can down the road. Plus Greenard is on the trading block. Don't know how much cap they want to have to use after setting aside cap to cover the draftees and in-season stuff.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Cap savings

Hargrave 11
Jones 7.8
Allen 6.5
Kelly 8.3
Hock 8.9
TOTAL 42.5

That gets us to $5M over which is nothing. Will still need a surplus but that's easily done via kicking the can down the road. Plus Greenard is on the trading block. Don't know how much cap they want to have to use after setting aside cap to cover the draftees and in-season stuff.

What is rumored is O'Neil is on his last year and JJ's contract---both converted to free up $$$$.

Key is Brez obviously is doing the opposite of Kwesi........at least in regards to the cap. Have to accumulate some picks and get to some young guns on the roster.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Cap savings

Hargrave 11
Jones 7.8
Allen 6.5
Kelly 8.3
Hock 8.9
TOTAL 42.5

That gets us to $5M over which is nothing. Will still need a surplus but that's easily done via kicking the can down the road. Plus Greenard is on the trading block. Don't know how much cap they want to have to use after setting aside cap to cover the draftees and in-season stuff.

What is rumored is O'Neil is on his last year and JJ's contract---both converted to free up $$$$.

Key is Brez obviously is doing the opposite of Kwesi........at least in regards to the cap. Have to accumulate some picks and get to some young guns on the roster.

It’s early, so I haven’t really seen anything new to the Kwesi toolbox … hard to justify keeping any of the dudes being talked about so far, we are simply diving for cover under the required cap number.

Would love for poisen pill hatchet monster man© Brzez take to it Kwesi’s cap approach though when we start signing people … going to be fascinating two week period to start the offseason.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Lars

This FA and rookie QB class is trash.

I'm rolling with JJM as QB1 and Wentz as QB2.

When playcalling moved to his strengths, he played much better. JJM played poorly, but the OL turnstile (Skule et al), a very disproportionate number of drops by WR/TE, and KOC's stubbornness with playcalling did not help.

I'd rather not waste roster spots/FA money/draft capital on dogshit QB. Let's build other areas. Like the interior OL and DL....again.....

I am sorry, no disrespect but I cant think of a worse plan than, right at this moment, intending to start the season with JJ and Wentz.

Absolute hubris by KOC … to do that to the other players on this team.

There’s a word for believing that your abject failure last season WILL be successful this season if you give it a tweak or tidying up a bit, a little qb whispering … and that word is ‘ayahuasca.’

Its a another way of saying do nothing … and putting a priority on making yourself look better than genuinely trying to fix a disaster.

If you added Darnold to Jeff’s list two years ago he probably would have fit in the bottom to middle. There just has to be a way to squeeze more out of the position than JJ on the sideline and Wentz on the sideline blubbering.

IMO

No offense taken!

IMHO, all of the FA and rookie QB options are horrible. If they were not, I would have a different view. I'd rather spend the money and picks on other areas rather than waste them on what will be crap.

JJM has not even played 16 games yet. Maybe we see what we have? Recent history with Caleb Williams even shows teams should show some patience (and he still makes lots of mistakes).

I readily admit that I have JJM bias. I think that he can become a great QB and would like the see MIN give him the reigns this year.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Cap savings

Hargrave 11
Jones 7.8
Allen 6.5
Kelly 8.3
Hock 8.9
TOTAL 42.5

That gets us to $5M over which is nothing. Will still need a surplus but that's easily done via kicking the can down the road. Plus Greenard is on the trading block. Don't know how much cap they want to have to use after setting aside cap to cover the draftees and in-season stuff.

What is rumored is O'Neil is on his last year and JJ's contract---both converted to free up $$$$.

Key is Brez obviously is doing the opposite of Kwesi........at least in regards to the cap. Have to accumulate some picks and get to some young guns on the roster.

It’s early, so I haven’t really seen anything new to the Kwesi toolbox … hard to justify keeping any of the dudes being talked about so far, we are simply diving for cover under the required cap number.

Would love for poisen pill hatchet monster man© Brzez take to it Kwesi’s cap approach though when we start signing people … going to be fascinating two week period to start the offseason.

I would have taking a hachet to TJ before Allen but yeah there haven't really been any shock cuts. The Greenard trade I didn't see coming but I didn't know he was unhappy with his contract.....a 2nd and a 4th sign me up.