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Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (3/31/2026 8:34:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Jared Allen is more like Steve Hutchinson than any of the oft-mentioned Vikings. In retrospect Browner was a favorite Viking but the strict four for the mountain are Page, Moss, Tarkenton, McDaniel. Randy Moss was only voted First Team All Pro three times with the Vikings. Ron Yary and John Randle six times apiece. So what. You've never seen any of them play, let alone cheered for any of them.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 7:12:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Jared Allen is more like Steve Hutchinson than any of the oft-mentioned Vikings. In retrospect Browner was a favorite Viking but the strict four for the mountain are Page, Moss, Tarkenton, McDaniel. Randy Moss was only voted First Team All Pro three times with the Vikings. Ron Yary and John Randle six times apiece. So what. You've never seen any of them play, let alone cheered for any of them. John Randle was a better football player than Alan Page. They played in very different eras. Page played DT at 245 pounds. He would have never played at that weight today, or in the Randle era. I grew up watching the Vikings from the beginning. Loved the Vikes as a kid. Never missed a game. Having said that, the Purple People Eaters were one of the most overrated defensive units the league has ever seen. Way undersized and got pushed around when it mattered most in the Super Bowls. Great nickname, but vastly overrated as a unit. The Steel Curtain, Killer B's, Orange Crush, Doomsday and Soul Patrol were all far superior defensive units when it mattered.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 7:34:09 AM)
It is great to discuss who we liked as players and lucky enough the Vikings had a ton of star power..... I do have to disagree though----50 years ago a tall and lean 246 wasn't a small DT.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 7:41:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer It is great to discuss who we liked as players and lucky enough the Vikings had a ton of star power..... I do have to disagree though----50 years ago a tall and lean 246 wasn't a small DT. That was his highest weight. At times he played around 220. It was a different game then. Personally, I thought Carl Eller was a better player.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 8:08:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer It is great to discuss who we liked as players and lucky enough the Vikings had a ton of star power..... I do have to disagree though----50 years ago a tall and lean 246 wasn't a small DT. That was his highest weight. At times he played around 220. It was a different game then. Personally, I thought Carl Eller was a better player. Again it was 50 years ago.....Matt Blair was as big as many of the lineman back then......230-250 pound Centers and Guards were common. I already know the answer but if you ask AI: In 1976, the average NFL defensive tackle was significantly smaller than today's standards, typically weighing in the range of 250 to 270 pounds and standing around 6'3" to 6'4". During the 1970s, linemen were considered big at 250–260 pounds, whereas modern defensive tackles often exceed 300 pounds.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 10:00:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Jared Allen is more like Steve Hutchinson than any of the oft-mentioned Vikings. In retrospect Browner was a favorite Viking but the strict four for the mountain are Page, Moss, Tarkenton, McDaniel. Randy Moss was only voted First Team All Pro three times with the Vikings. Ron Yary and John Randle six times apiece. So what. You've never seen any of them play, let alone cheered for any of them. John Randle was a better football player than Alan Page. They played in very different eras. Page played DT at 245 pounds. He would have never played at that weight today, or in the Randle era. I grew up watching the Vikings from the beginning. Loved the Vikes as a kid. Never missed a game. Having said that, the Purple People Eaters were one of the most overrated defensive units the league has ever seen. Way undersized and got pushed around when it mattered most in the Super Bowls. Great nickname, but vastly overrated as a unit. The Steel Curtain, Killer B's, Orange Crush, Doomsday and Soul Patrol were all far superior defensive units when it mattered. Never experienced someone saying the eras were different (implying you can't compare eras) but boy let's talk about those playing weights.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 10:09:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Jared Allen is more like Steve Hutchinson than any of the oft-mentioned Vikings. In retrospect Browner was a favorite Viking but the strict four for the mountain are Page, Moss, Tarkenton, McDaniel. Randy Moss was only voted First Team All Pro three times with the Vikings. Ron Yary and John Randle six times apiece. So what. You've never seen any of them play, let alone cheered for any of them. John Randle was a better football player than Alan Page. They played in very different eras. Page played DT at 245 pounds. He would have never played at that weight today, or in the Randle era. I grew up watching the Vikings from the beginning. Loved the Vikes as a kid. Never missed a game. Having said that, the Purple People Eaters were one of the most overrated defensive units the league has ever seen. Way undersized and got pushed around when it mattered most in the Super Bowls. Great nickname, but vastly overrated as a unit. The Steel Curtain, Killer B's, Orange Crush, Doomsday and Soul Patrol were all far superior defensive units when it mattered. Never experienced someone saying the eras were different (implying you can't compare eras) but boy let's talk about those playing weights. I loved Randle, but he couldn't carry Page's jockstrap. Randle never dominated his era like Page did. Page is the first defensive player and only defensive lineman to be named MVP of the NFL.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 11:51:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer It is great to discuss who we liked as players and lucky enough the Vikings had a ton of star power..... I do have to disagree though----50 years ago a tall and lean 246 wasn't a small DT. That was his highest weight. At times he played around 220. It was a different game then. Personally, I thought Carl Eller was a better player. The 220 pounds was the reason Bud cut him. He played at that weight for the Bears, not us. quote: After eight years of stardom with the Vikings, Page began a running program that led him to complete seven marathons and an ultramarathon (62 miles). The running resulted in weight loss. Instead of playing at 245 to 250 pounds, Page was down to 225 pounds. Vikings head coach Bud Grant was not happy with the idea of a defensive tackle who weighed only 225 pounds, and when Page told Grant he intended to stay at 225, the coach put him on waivers.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 11:51:57 AM)
quote: The 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers "Steel Curtain" defensive line was characterized by its speed, agility, and intensity, rather than raw bulk, with an average weight of around 245–260 lbs per player. They dominated through quickness, with key starters including Joe Greene, L.C. Greenwood, Ernie Holmes, and Dwight White.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 5:37:35 PM)
Have we ever had a better 3 year* stretch of 1st round picks? 1983: Joey Browner 1984: Keith Millard 1985: Chris Doleman *Would've been 4 if we hadn't blown 1982 so badly...

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/1/2026 6:15:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Have we ever had a better 3 year* stretch of 1st round picks? 1983: Joey Browner 1984: Keith Millard 1985: Chris Doleman *Would've been 4 if we hadn't blown 1982 so badly... Pfff, Millard played at 260 in the 80's so there's no way he was any good. Just ask the resident non-fan. But that is a great list of back-to-back-back picks.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 7:13:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Have we ever had a better 3 year* stretch of 1st round picks? 1983: Joey Browner 1984: Keith Millard 1985: Chris Doleman *Would've been 4 if we hadn't blown 1982 so badly... Even 1986 was very good: 1986 1. (A) NO CHOICE (8); choice traded to San Diego Chargers with third-round pick for first- and second-round choices in 1986. 1. (B) GERALD ROBINSON (14), DE, Auburn; choice from San Diego Chargers. 2. (A) NO CHOICE (40); choice traded to Miami with Robin Sendlein for Anthony Carter. 2. (B) NO CHOICE (44); choice obtained from San Diego Chargers and traded to N.Y. Giants for Gary Zimmerman. 2. (C) NO CHOICE (53); choice obtained from L.A. Raiders as part of Brad Van Pelt deal and traded to N.Y. Giants for Gary Zimmerman.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 8:44:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Have we ever had a better 3 year* stretch of 1st round picks? 1983: Joey Browner 1984: Keith Millard 1985: Chris Doleman *Would've been 4 if we hadn't blown 1982 so badly... Pfff, Millard played at 260 in the 80's so there's no way he was any good. Just ask the resident non-fan. But that is a great list of back-to-back-back picks. Keith Millard had two really good years. He's a long ways from Mount Rushmore of anything. His body broke down and knee and hip injuries ended his career. Too small! But thanks for sharing.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 9:18:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Have we ever had a better 3 year* stretch of 1st round picks? 1983: Joey Browner 1984: Keith Millard 1985: Chris Doleman *Would've been 4 if we hadn't blown 1982 so badly... Pfff, Millard played at 260 in the 80's so there's no way he was any good. Just ask the resident non-fan. But that is a great list of back-to-back-back picks. Keith Millard had two really good years. He's a long ways from Mount Rushmore of anything. His body broke down and knee and hip injuries ended his career. Too small! But thanks for sharing. Millard has a well-deserved outsized presence in vikings lore for on and off the field stuff. So yeah, thanks for sharing your ignorance … again.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 9:34:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Have we ever had a better 3 year* stretch of 1st round picks? 1983: Joey Browner 1984: Keith Millard 1985: Chris Doleman Would've been 4 if we hadn't blown 1982 so badly... Pfff, Millard played at 260 in the 80's so there's no way he was any good. Just ask the resident non-fan.* But that is a great list of back-to-back-back picks. Keith Millard had two really good years. He's a long ways from Mount Rushmore of anything. His body broke down and knee and hip injuries ended his career. Too small! But thanks for sharing. And like clockwork the resident non-fan chimes in with a nothing-burger.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 10:20:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Blair won rookie of the year in 1974 on that loaded Super Bowl team and made it to the Super Bowl three of his first four years on the team. Coincidence? He did not. You're putting me in a devil's advocate position, as if I really want to minimize Matt Blair's career. Any objective rabid vikings fan would not put him near the top four. IMO It's not even close. Top 20? I think so. blair could do everything - how many blocked kicks/punts did he have?....

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 10:22:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Blair won rookie of the year in 1974 on that loaded Super Bowl team and made it to the Super Bowl three of his first four years on the team. Coincidence? He did not. You're putting me in a devil's advocate position, as if I really want to minimize Matt Blair's career. Any objective rabid vikings fan would not put him near the top four. IMO It's not even close. Top 20? I think so. blair could do everything - how many blocked kicks/punts did he have?.... Matt Blair, the Minnesota Vikings linebacker (1974–1985), recorded 20 blocked punts, field goals, and extra points in his career. He is a Vikings franchise leader and recognized as one of the best special teams players, with 20.5 total blocked kicks often cited, featuring 19 combined blocked FGs and XPs.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 10:26:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Have we ever had a better 3 year* stretch of 1st round picks? 1983: Joey Browner 1984: Keith Millard 1985: Chris Doleman *Would've been 4 if we hadn't blown 1982 so badly... Pfff, Millard played at 260 in the 80's so there's no way he was any good. Just ask the resident non-fan. But that is a great list of back-to-back-back picks. Keith Millard had two really good years. He's a long ways from Mount Rushmore of anything. His body broke down and knee and hip injuries ended his career. Too small! But thanks for sharing. Millard has a well-deserved outsized presence in vikings lore for on and off the field stuff. So yeah, thanks for sharing your ignorance … again. Keith Millard NFL Defensive Player of the Year (1989) Sad Part at Age 28 the next year: The following season he suffered a career-changing injury in a week 4 contest versus Tampa Bay, tearing both his medial collateral and anterior cruciate ligaments in his right knee when his cleats got caught up in landing when trying to leap over a player that had his knees buckle.[8] The injury effectively ended his time in Minnesota. He played with three further teams and retired twice.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 10:32:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Have we ever had a better 3 year* stretch of 1st round picks? 1983: Joey Browner 1984: Keith Millard 1985: Chris Doleman *Would've been 4 if we hadn't blown 1982 so badly... Pfff, Millard played at 260 in the 80's so there's no way he was any good. Just ask the resident non-fan. But that is a great list of back-to-back-back picks. Keith Millard had two really good years. He's a long ways from Mount Rushmore of anything. His body broke down and knee and hip injuries ended his career. Too small! But thanks for sharing. Millard has a well-deserved outsized presence in vikings lore for on and off the field stuff. So yeah, thanks for sharing your ignorance … again. "My arms are more powerful than your guns"

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 11:27:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Have we ever had a better 3 year* stretch of 1st round picks? 1983: Joey Browner 1984: Keith Millard 1985: Chris Doleman *Would've been 4 if we hadn't blown 1982 so badly... Pfff, Millard played at 260 in the 80's so there's no way he was any good. Just ask the resident non-fan. But that is a great list of back-to-back-back picks. Keith Millard had two really good years. He's a long ways from Mount Rushmore of anything. His body broke down and knee and hip injuries ended his career. Too small! But thanks for sharing. Millard has a well-deserved outsized presence in vikings lore for on and off the field stuff. So yeah, thanks for sharing your ignorance … again. "My arms are more powerful than your guns" Iconic! and much more powerful than Brad's little peashooter.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 11:32:10 AM)
Gzuz what type of personality wastes significant time (along with everybody else's) by being abused by the fanbase of a team he doesn't even like?

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 11:38:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Blair won rookie of the year in 1974 on that loaded Super Bowl team and made it to the Super Bowl three of his first four years on the team. Coincidence? He did not. You're putting me in a devil's advocate position, as if I really want to minimize Matt Blair's career. Any objective rabid vikings fan would not put him near the top four. IMO It's not even close. Top 20? I think so. blair could do everything - how many blocked kicks/punts did he have?.... Matt Blair, the Minnesota Vikings linebacker (1974–1985), recorded 20 blocked punts, field goals, and extra points in his career. He is a Vikings franchise leader and recognized as one of the best special teams players, with 20.5 total blocked kicks often cited, featuring 19 combined blocked FGs and XPs. So now you're double-posting. Same thing yesterday. At least I had the reading glasses excuse. You're on a campaign or something. I know ratoppenheimer asked the question but no matter how great Blair was on special teams ... he's not even close to our Rushmore.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 11:52:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes Gzuz what type of personality wastes significant time (along with everybody else's) by being abused by the fanbase of a team he doesn't even like? Simple. He relishes negative strokes. Although, after at least a decade he has finally found a kindred spirit in Marty.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 11:54:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Blair won rookie of the year in 1974 on that loaded Super Bowl team and made it to the Super Bowl three of his first four years on the team. Coincidence? He did not. You're putting me in a devil's advocate position, as if I really want to minimize Matt Blair's career. Any objective rabid vikings fan would not put him near the top four. IMO It's not even close. Top 20? I think so. blair could do everything - how many blocked kicks/punts did he have?.... Matt Blair, the Minnesota Vikings linebacker (1974–1985), recorded 20 blocked punts, field goals, and extra points in his career. He is a Vikings franchise leader and recognized as one of the best special teams players, with 20.5 total blocked kicks often cited, featuring 19 combined blocked FGs and XPs. So now you're double-posting. Same thing yesterday. At least I had the reading glasses excuse. I know ratoppenheimer asked the question but no matter how great Blair was on special teams ... he's not even close to our Rushmore. Except it wasn't a double post....he asked a question. [&:] Nice try. Matt Blair was great on ST and LB.....who is our Rushmore? He is very close on my Rushmore.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (4/2/2026 12:07:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Blair won rookie of the year in 1974 on that loaded Super Bowl team and made it to the Super Bowl three of his first four years on the team. Coincidence? He did not. You're putting me in a devil's advocate position, as if I really want to minimize Matt Blair's career. Any objective rabid vikings fan would not put him near the top four. IMO It's not even close. Top 20? I think so. blair could do everything - how many blocked kicks/punts did he have?.... Matt Blair, the Minnesota Vikings linebacker (1974–1985), recorded 20 blocked punts, field goals, and extra points in his career. He is a Vikings franchise leader and recognized as one of the best special teams players, with 20.5 total blocked kicks often cited, featuring 19 combined blocked FGs and XPs. So now you're double-posting. Same thing yesterday. At least I had the reading glasses excuse. I know ratoppenheimer asked the question but no matter how great Blair was on special teams ... he's not even close to our Rushmore. Except it wasn't a double post....he asked a question. [&:] Nice try. Matt Blair was great on ST and LB.....who is our Rushmore? He is very close on my Rushmore. From yesterday Matt Blair, the Minnesota Vikings linebacker (1974–1985), recorded 20 blocked punts, field goals, and extra points in his career. He is a Vikings franchise leader and recognized as one of the best special teams players, with 20.5 total blocked kicks often cited, featuring 19 combined blocked FGs and XPs. From today Matt Blair, the Minnesota Vikings linebacker (1974–1985), recorded 20 blocked punts, field goals, and extra points in his career. He is a Vikings franchise leader and recognized as one of the best special teams players, with 20.5 total blocked kicks often cited, featuring 19 combined blocked FGs and XPs. So yeah, double-post. Get some reading glasses. Regardless of the question from ratoppenheimer - which I clearly mentioned. "Very close on my Rushmore" is an absolutely fine way of saying it ... Again I made a clear mention in response to you yesterday of the difference between favorite players on a personal Rushmore vs. etched in stone all-time Rushmore players. Get yourself two pairs of reading glassses with a couple more emoji laughing attacks.

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