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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead

Peyton was saying on that one that JJ waited too long to throw that ball so Jones was closer to the sideline and his momentum carried him OOB. If he throws it sooner, he's able to catch it and turn up field.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead

Peyton was saying on that one that JJ waited too long to throw that ball so Jones was closer to the sideline and his momentum carried him OOB. If he throws it sooner, he's able to catch it and turn up field.

I agree with that assessment. He was tiptoeing the sidelines trying to stay in bounds. Seemed the timing was just a little off.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead

Peyton was saying on that one that JJ waited too long to throw that ball so Jones was closer to the sideline and his momentum carried him OOB. If he throws it sooner, he's able to catch it and turn up field.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Wow, people hating on McCarthy because he wasn't perfect in his first NFL game. Comparing him to Ponder?
We handcuffed him in the preseason, and in the first half tonight. Certainly he made some mistakes, but he won this game, and he's going to be our starting QB for a long time. I'm with that.

You were the first guy on the JJ bandwagon. Long before we drafted him.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead

Peyton was saying on that one that JJ waited too long to throw that ball so Jones was closer to the sideline and his momentum carried him OOB. If he throws it sooner, he's able to catch it and turn up field.

I felt JJM was a tick slow during most of the game.

Decisions other than the pick were good.
Accuracy was good (maybe not perfect but good enough...)
But the rhythm was just a little off.

I'm pretty excited for the offensive potential.
The combo of darrisaw coming back and JJM speeding up could be huge.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Arm strength definitely isn't an issue. The high one to Jefferson was extremely fast.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead

Peyton was saying on that one that JJ waited too long to throw that ball so Jones was closer to the sideline and his momentum carried him OOB. If he throws it sooner, he's able to catch it and turn up field.

I felt JJM was a tick slow during most of the game.

Decisions other than the pick were good.
Accuracy was good (maybe not perfect but good enough...)
But the rhythm was just a little off.

I'm pretty excited for the offensive potential.
The combo of darrisaw coming back and JJM speeding up could be huge.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Arm strength definitely isn't an issue. The high one to Jefferson was extremely fast.

He is not just some hand-off merchant with no arm. JJM has an arm!

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

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Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.

We were rusty. Playing a bad team that didnt collapse until we got our sea legs.

We were outmuscled and out hit in the first half - into the third qtr.

It wouldnt hurt to be a little more physically prepared for the first game.

Long season, more risk … yes. It seems like a rigid approach though, doesnt matter if you have a QB newbie or 12 yr veteran stepping on to the field.

A couple of things bother me. 1) JJ bling so unnecessary 2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead 3) Chicago always having a shitty field when we play there. Same for any speed teams when they play there. Total BS.

Something we are going to totally agree on. Wearing tons of jewelry around your neck should be stopped by the NFL. Some of the stuff I see being worn in games looks like it could be really dangerous if a guy got hit the wrong way. It's right next to to the damned jugular vein for crying out loud. I'm surprised the NFL even allows it. From a player safety perspective it seems irresponsible.

Since we are being honest and say we have integrity. How did Sam look Sunday and did they make the right move not resigning him?

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Easy to see why the players will run through walls for KOC.

Great postgame locker room video:

https://x.com/Vikings/status/1965302427722166672

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

No wonder the Bears had so many False Starts...

House of Dysfunction, Part I: The Curious Case of Caleb Williams

Williams struggled to execute elementary tasks. Every day was a new disaster.

That early, that spring, the Bears changed the snap count to appease Williams. Instead of using a combination of colors and numbers like every other team in the NFL, the Bears reverted to a “Ready, set, go!” straight out of JV football because that’s what the quarterback requested. Aside from the obvious on-field consequences — defenders could tee off — the Bears were establishing a troubling precedent in allowing a rookie to tell them exactly what to do. Veterans couldn’t believe it. “Are you shitting me?” one receiver asked a coach.

When a play call was sent in, he’d stare at this wristband for a painful length of time. “Like it was in another language,” another coach says. Williams verbalized the call in the huddle, it was wrong half the time, and then players would be lined up wrong all over the field. Verbiage was truncated. Huddling was minimized. The playbook, dumbed down. The Bears offense devolved into an exercise of trial and error to fit whatever the USC rookie demanded.

All of which would’ve been manageable if Williams was willing to work. He was not.

For all the talk about wanting to be great, this new quarterback didn’t seem to have the desire. When he wasn’t storming away from a coach, he was telling veteran wide receivers how to run their routes before taking a game rep himself. In the meeting room, he barely said a word and didn’t pay attention. Coaches often caught Williams on the wrong page of the gameplan completely. He blew off film sessions and lifts.

Chicago made him a captain.

Games began.

Chaos reigned.

https://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysfunction-part-i-the-curious

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

No wonder the Bears had so many False Starts...

House of Dysfunction, Part I: The Curious Case of Caleb Williams

Williams struggled to execute elementary tasks. Every day was a new disaster.

That early, that spring, the Bears changed the snap count to appease Williams. Instead of using a combination of colors and numbers like every other team in the NFL, the Bears reverted to a “Ready, set, go!” straight out of JV football because that’s what the quarterback requested. Aside from the obvious on-field consequences — defenders could tee off — the Bears were establishing a troubling precedent in allowing a rookie to tell them exactly what to do. Veterans couldn’t believe it. “Are you shitting me?” one receiver asked a coach.

When a play call was sent in, he’d stare at this wristband for a painful length of time. “Like it was in another language,” another coach says. Williams verbalized the call in the huddle, it was wrong half the time, and then players would be lined up wrong all over the field. Verbiage was truncated. Huddling was minimized. The playbook, dumbed down. The Bears offense devolved into an exercise of trial and error to fit whatever the USC rookie demanded.

All of which would’ve been manageable if Williams was willing to work. He was not.

For all the talk about wanting to be great, this new quarterback didn’t seem to have the desire. When he wasn’t storming away from a coach, he was telling veteran wide receivers how to run their routes before taking a game rep himself. In the meeting room, he barely said a word and didn’t pay attention. Coaches often caught Williams on the wrong page of the gameplan completely. He blew off film sessions and lifts.

Chicago made him a captain.

Games began.

Chaos reigned.

https://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysfunction-part-i-the-curious

He's got arm talent. That can't be questioned but along with what you posted above. Did you watch all the pregame stuff? I forget what reporter it was but they were on the field talking about some aspect of the game and he was in the background throwing to his TE's (no coverage, just 1 on 1 easy throws). He overshot 2 of them back to back by about 2 yards on a 7-8 yard out route [:-]

He'll make plays but throws way too many inaccurate balls.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

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Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.

We were rusty. Playing a bad team that didnt collapse until we got our sea legs.

We were outmuscled and out hit in the first half - into the third qtr.

It wouldnt hurt to be a little more physically prepared for the first game.

Long season, more risk … yes. It seems like a rigid approach though, doesnt matter if you have a QB newbie or 12 yr veteran stepping on to the field.

A couple of things bother me. 1) JJ bling so unnecessary 2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead 3) Chicago always having a shitty field when we play there. Same for any speed teams when they play there. Total BS.

Something we are going to totally agree on. Wearing tons of jewelry around your neck should be stopped by the NFL. Some of the stuff I see being worn in games looks like it could be really dangerous if a guy got hit the wrong way. It's right next to to the damned jugular vein for crying out loud. I'm surprised the NFL even allows it. From a player safety perspective it seems irresponsible.

Since we are being honest and say we have integrity. How did Sam look Sunday and did they make the right move not resigning him?

Looked like a guy playing with a bunch of garbage around him. It's a bad roster in Seattle. He'll struggle.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

No wonder the Bears had so many False Starts...

House of Dysfunction, Part I: The Curious Case of Caleb Williams

Williams struggled to execute elementary tasks. Every day was a new disaster.

That early, that spring, the Bears changed the snap count to appease Williams. Instead of using a combination of colors and numbers like every other team in the NFL, the Bears reverted to a “Ready, set, go!” straight out of JV football because that’s what the quarterback requested. Aside from the obvious on-field consequences — defenders could tee off — the Bears were establishing a troubling precedent in allowing a rookie to tell them exactly what to do. Veterans couldn’t believe it. “Are you shitting me?” one receiver asked a coach.

When a play call was sent in, he’d stare at this wristband for a painful length of time. “Like it was in another language,” another coach says. Williams verbalized the call in the huddle, it was wrong half the time, and then players would be lined up wrong all over the field. Verbiage was truncated. Huddling was minimized. The playbook, dumbed down. The Bears offense devolved into an exercise of trial and error to fit whatever the USC rookie demanded.

All of which would’ve been manageable if Williams was willing to work. He was not.

For all the talk about wanting to be great, this new quarterback didn’t seem to have the desire. When he wasn’t storming away from a coach, he was telling veteran wide receivers how to run their routes before taking a game rep himself. In the meeting room, he barely said a word and didn’t pay attention. Coaches often caught Williams on the wrong page of the gameplan completely. He blew off film sessions and lifts.

Chicago made him a captain.

Games began.

Chaos reigned.

https://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysfunction-part-i-the-curious

He's got arm talent. That can't be questioned but along with what you posted above. Did you watch all the pregame stuff? I forget what reporter it was but they were on the field talking about some aspect of the game and he was in the background throwing to his TE's (no coverage, just 1 on 1 easy throws). He overshot 2 of them back to back by about 2 yards on a 7-8 yard out route [:-]

He'll make plays but throws way too many inaccurate balls.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

No wonder the Bears had so many False Starts...

House of Dysfunction, Part I: The Curious Case of Caleb Williams

Williams struggled to execute elementary tasks. Every day was a new disaster.

That early, that spring, the Bears changed the snap count to appease Williams. Instead of using a combination of colors and numbers like every other team in the NFL, the Bears reverted to a “Ready, set, go!” straight out of JV football because that’s what the quarterback requested. Aside from the obvious on-field consequences — defenders could tee off — the Bears were establishing a troubling precedent in allowing a rookie to tell them exactly what to do. Veterans couldn’t believe it. “Are you shitting me?” one receiver asked a coach.

When a play call was sent in, he’d stare at this wristband for a painful length of time. “Like it was in another language,” another coach says. Williams verbalized the call in the huddle, it was wrong half the time, and then players would be lined up wrong all over the field. Verbiage was truncated. Huddling was minimized. The playbook, dumbed down. The Bears offense devolved into an exercise of trial and error to fit whatever the USC rookie demanded.

All of which would’ve been manageable if Williams was willing to work. He was not.

For all the talk about wanting to be great, this new quarterback didn’t seem to have the desire. When he wasn’t storming away from a coach, he was telling veteran wide receivers how to run their routes before taking a game rep himself. In the meeting room, he barely said a word and didn’t pay attention. Coaches often caught Williams on the wrong page of the gameplan completely. He blew off film sessions and lifts.

Chicago made him a captain.

Games began.

Chaos reigned.

https://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysfunction-part-i-the-curious

He's got arm talent. That can't be questioned but along with what you posted above. Did you watch all the pregame stuff? I forget what reporter it was but they were on the field talking about some aspect of the game and he was in the background throwing to his TE's (no coverage, just 1 on 1 easy throws). He overshot 2 of them back to back by about 2 yards on a 7-8 yard out route [:-]

He'll make plays but throws way too many inaccurate balls.

Its pretty clear that his initial 10/10 were off scripted plays designed to make the game easy for him. Probably all 1 read.

But as soon as he had to do anything more complicated, he completely fell apart. Ran when he didn't have to, missed easy reads and wildly overthrew a ton of passes.

He's a sandlot QB that has shown no signs of being able to play in structure.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Seems both he and JJM are starting from near ground zero. While KOC and JJM look to be aligned well, last night I kept wondering how much patience Ben Johnson is going to have with Williams.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

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Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.

We were rusty. Playing a bad team that didnt collapse until we got our sea legs.

We were outmuscled and out hit in the first half - into the third qtr.

It wouldnt hurt to be a little more physically prepared for the first game.

Long season, more risk … yes. It seems like a rigid approach though, doesnt matter if you have a QB newbie or 12 yr veteran stepping on to the field.

A couple of things bother me. 1) JJ bling so unnecessary 2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead 3) Chicago always having a shitty field when we play there. Same for any speed teams when they play there. Total BS.

Something we are going to totally agree on. Wearing tons of jewelry around your neck should be stopped by the NFL. Some of the stuff I see being worn in games looks like it could be really dangerous if a guy got hit the wrong way. It's right next to to the damned jugular vein for crying out loud. I'm surprised the NFL even allows it. From a player safety perspective it seems irresponsible.

Since we are being honest and say we have integrity. How did Sam look Sunday and did they make the right move not resigning him?

Looked like a guy playing with a bunch of garbage around him. It's a bad roster in Seattle. He'll struggle.

Again. Second part of the question. Honesty and integrity are important you say—-so was it more for your benefit or enjoyment than anything keeping Sam possibly then? Wentz at 1/40th the cost may be as good?

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ORIGINAL: Lars

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

Was shocked when CHI didn't just kick the last KO out of bounds. 35 or 40 - who cares? Idiot. Smug MFer.



to be fair, Ben Johnson even said after the game he should have kicked it out of bounds. He knew he screwed up. He is a first time head coach. I wouldn't call him smug. I would have called it naive.

It's little details like that that coaches just have to learn the hard way.

If he's really any good, he wont make that mistake again.

Eh, I'm just some schmo and I was thinking "just kick it OOB. If they return it, you lose the benefit of the two-minute warning." It cost them 40 seconds when there were only 122 left in the game.