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ORIGINAL: marty

And again, a very good offensive team could have run some clock. But the Vikings offense on Sunday wasn't the '98 Vikings that could run, run, have a picnic, then just lob it to Moss or fire it to Carter for the ho-hum game winner.

Mason was fully capable of busting off a 12 yard run on first down. He does that, and McCarthy might not even have to attempt a go ahead TD. 12 yards brings it from the 18 to the 6 yard line. Then Mason gains 4 yards, and you've got 3 downs to get 2 yards.

McCarthy is also capable of running it in like he did in Chicago, or he can hit one his quality, clutch WRs (Addison has been very good near the end of the games, the catch against Cleveland was incredible), or Hock, or McConnel draws up something that leaves speedy wide open in the end zone.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Disagree, it doesn't matter how many points you have scored, you only need a TD, and you have it 1st down in the red zone, be smart with the clock, and you win the game. You must have missed all my other points about scoring.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

And Ryan Grigson is terrible. What did he do after landing Andrew Luck? He never addressed the OLine until finally drafting Kelly in 2016, otherwise he was getting Luck hammered out there. Total GM malpractice.

Had Grigson been more responsible with his drafting Andrew Luck would still be playing.

Not entirely sure about that assumption. Andrew Luck was a different kind of cat. Retired during his prime. Currently the GM of Stanford Athletics.

I'm not defending Grigson, BTW.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

And Ryan Grigson is terrible. What did he do after landing Andrew Luck? He never addressed the OLine until finally drafting Kelly in 2016, otherwise he was getting Luck hammered out there. Total GM malpractice.

Had Grigson been more responsible with his drafting Andrew Luck would still be playing.

Not entirely sure about that assumption. Andrew Luck was a different kind of cat. Retired during his prime. Currently the GM of Stanford Athletics.

I'm not defending Grigson, BTW.

Perhaps, it's difficult to say if Luck fell out of love with the game because of the grind of it all or other reasons. However being amongst the league leaders in hits most seasons certainly didn't help.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

And Ryan Grigson is terrible. What did he do after landing Andrew Luck? He never addressed the OLine until finally drafting Kelly in 2016, otherwise he was getting Luck hammered out there. Total GM malpractice.

Had Grigson been more responsible with his drafting Andrew Luck would still be playing.

Not entirely sure about that assumption. Andrew Luck was a different kind of cat. Retired during his prime. Currently the GM of Stanford Athletics.

I'm not defending Grigson, BTW.

Perhaps, it's difficult to say if Luck fell out of love with the game because of the grind of it all or other reasons. However being amongst the league leaders in hits most seasons certainly didn't help.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Disagree, it doesn't matter how many points you have scored, you only need a TD, and you have it 1st down in the red zone, be smart with the clock, and you win the game. You must have missed all my other points about scoring.

Hindsight is great.

But, we could have handed it off to Mason and he fumbles game away. We could have got a 1st down at the 8 and JJM throws a tipped ball INT after that.

If the offense was clicking, we probably do try to milk the clock. It was not good all day.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Was Bears LT just bad or has Dallas Turner turned a corner?

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ORIGINAL: marty

Disagree, it doesn't matter how many points you have scored, you only need a TD, and you have it 1st down in the red zone, be smart with the clock, and you win the game. You must have missed all my other points about scoring.

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Was Bears LT just bad or has Dallas Turner turned a corner?

Turner had a great game. Probably would have been better if the LT, who did suck for this game, hadn't been getting away with blatant holding all game.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Was Bears LT just bad or has Dallas Turner turned a corner?

Turner had a great game. Probably would have been better if the LT, who did suck for this game, hadn't been getting away with blatant holding all game.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I don't think the return by Chicago mattered as much as you think.

Today's NFL favors the offense, it would have been nothing for Caleb to complete 2 20 yard passed in 15 seconds, and today's kickers can kick very long FGs. Give them 50 seconds to get a FG, and any .500 team is probably going to beat you.

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ORIGINAL: marty

[:D]

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Was Bears LT just bad or has Dallas Turner turned a corner?

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ORIGINAL: marty

Thank you Bill, I have made very strong statements on this, and they stand on their own merit. I have only seen weak counter points here.

I will bite on the one counter point that could have something:

What are the Viking stats for Red Zone scoring with McCarthy at the helm in the 4th quarter ? And to be really precise, what are the Viking stats for Red Zone scoring against the Bears, in the 4th quarter, with McCarthy at the helm ?

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ORIGINAL: marty

I will help you out a little bit here:

Reality supports my conclusion that the Vikings scored too quickly on Sunday, the reality is it led to a loss.

The fact that McCarthy doesn't have too much trouble scoring in the Red Zone against the Bears this season in the 4th quarter, also supports the idea that had the Vikings run the ball on first down, or even on both 1st and 2nd down, the Vikings probably still would have gotten the TD.

In fact, I think even the Bears were surprised the Vikings were stupid enough to throw to the end zone on 1st down at the 18 with 50 seconds left, leaving the Bears with all that time. The surprise element is partially what helped to fool the CB, leading to the somewhat easy TD to Addison.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Bill, I was very much aware the Bears had 3 TOs, and have very much included that in the discussion
It sounds like you not only have limited thinking, you probably didn't read very much of all the points I made on this, just skimming, and then latching onto any little point with which your little brain might produce a tiny counter point.