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ORIGINAL: marty

Bill, my post 1420, was referring to post 1418, before your Breece Hall nonsense.

What I was suggesting was not an improbable Vikings TD by any means, the Vikings proved they could score TDs against Chicago in Chicago with McCarthy at QB, no reason to think they couldn't do it at home, which they also did. My scenario just offers the idea of an attempt to take time off the clock before doing so.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Dan, the big return meant very little.

It would have been quite easy for Caleb Williams to complete 2 or 3 passes with 50 seconds left, and get a FG. It probably would have been easy for any QB of a team that is . 500 this year.

As soon as Nailor got the 1st down at the 15 (which is even better than the 18), Tom Brady commented about "now this is where you need to start watching the clock". Brady thinks like a champion, and knew that running the clock down a little bit, puts you in the position to win the game, where your opponent can't respond.

KOC seems better at time management than Zimmer, but he still has a few things to learn.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Who lives their life.. making up excuses/ imaginary scenarios, for a loss that was snatched from the jaws of victory, by a complete **** up by special teams?

The K/O and return coverage, after we scored the go ahead TD, was THE MOST IMPORTANT play, of the entire game.

Nothing before that one play mattered, because you can’t change any of it.

The special teams BLEW IT.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Who lives their life.. making up excuses/ imaginary scenarios, for a loss that was snatched from the jaws of victory, by a complete **** up by special teams?

The K/O and return coverage, after we scored the go ahead TD, was THE MOST IMPORTANT play, of the entire game.

Nothing before that one play mattered, because you can’t change any of it.

The special teams BLEW IT.

Any other “ scenario “ is just mental masterbation and idiotic rationalization.

Nothing “Butwhatabout”, ever matters.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Who lives their life.. making up excuses/ imaginary scenarios, for a loss that was snatched from the jaws of victory, by a complete **** up by special teams?

The K/O and return coverage, after we scored the go ahead TD, was THE MOST IMPORTANT play, of the entire game.

Nothing before that one play mattered, because you can’t change any of it.

The special teams BLEW IT.

Spot on. You can't assume the success of sequence of plays and the Bears use of time outs, especially given the Vikings propensity for miscues and running plays that lose yardage. You also can't assume the Bears would have had no problem getting into field goal range, starting from inside their 30. Williams was 50% on the day. The issue was two ST players left their lanes and got sucked over to the right side of the field and opened a huge running lane. The Bears started the drive in FG range.

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ORIGINAL: marty

You can think it was the return, or blame the field goal for the loss.

As I stated before, the point where the game was really lost was passing for the TD right away after getting the 1st down at the 15 yard line. It's not understanding clock usage in today's NFL.

Leaving 50 seconds for Caleb Williams, or any QB on a .500 team to just get a FG, likely would have led to a loss. If you don't understand, you would also be a losing head coach in the NFL.

I like KOC, seems like a great person, and he is great with the human side of coaching. He is also great at designing plays. But there a questions about his head coaching that make us wonder if he really has what it takes to win the Super Bowl. I have not totally turned against him, but not running the ball on 1st down after the Nailor catch is 1 strike against him.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Who lives their life.. making up excuses/ imaginary scenarios, for a loss that was snatched from the jaws of victory, by a complete **** up by special teams?

The K/O and return coverage, after we scored the go ahead TD, was THE MOST IMPORTANT play, of the entire game.

Nothing before that one play mattered, because you can’t change any of it.

The special teams BLEW IT.

Spot on. You can't assume the success of sequence of plays and the Bears use of time outs, especially given the Vikings propensity for miscues and running plays that lose yardage. You also can't assume the Bears would have had no problem getting into field goal range, starting from inside their 30. Williams was 50% on the day. The issue was two ST players left their lanes and got sucked over to the right side of the field and opened a huge running lane. The Bears started the drive in FG range.

You are also 100% correct.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I get that when someone says they are done with the silliness, the other person may make their final post about the issue that could include a potshot, a summary, or just an agreement to also drop it. That's the usual way things end up.

However, Marty's MO -- shown once again -- is to string together 4-5 posts where he thinks he is rubbing it in. IMO, that just speaks to his character as a person... or lack thereof.

Maybe it is due to his, as he calls it, "big ego". Everyone is different, for example highly successful and astute people can have that. However, in Marty's case his numerous pile on posts after the fact, as well as his big ego, likely stem from a deep-rooted insecurity and/or someone missing some filters.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I get that when someone says they are done with the silliness, the other person may make their final post about the issue that could include a potshot, a summary, or just an agreement to also drop it. That's the usual way things end up.

However, Marty's MO -- shown once again -- is to string together 4-5 posts where he thinks he is rubbing it in. IMO, that just speaks to his character as a person... or lack thereof.

Maybe it is due to his, as he calls it, "big ego". Everyone is different, for example highly successful and astute people can have that. However, in Marty's case his numerous pile on posts after the fact, as well as his big ego, likely stem from a deep-rooted insecurity and/or someone missing some filters

Gee Bill, I thought you were done with it. Sounds like you lied once again, just like your lie about not reading my responses to your "private" messages. This lying doesn't reflect well on your character, a character that lost my respect a long time ago. Thanks for your laymen psychological evaluation on my character, you might just be projecting.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I get that when someone says they are done with the silliness, the other person may make their final post about the issue that could include a potshot, a summary, or just an agreement to also drop it. That's the usual way things end up.

However, Marty's MO -- shown once again -- is to string together 4-5 posts where he thinks he is rubbing it in. IMO, that just speaks to his character as a person... or lack thereof.

Maybe it is due to his, as he calls it, "big ego". Everyone is different, for example highly successful and astute people can have that. However, in Marty's case his numerous pile on posts after the fact, as well as his big ego, likely stem from a deep-rooted insecurity and/or someone missing some filters.

TBH you two are a lot alike. You just attempt to be meaner.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Other than giving them the ball at the 35---I didn't understand why they didn't kick it thru the end zone.....that may have been the biggest mistake.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I get that when someone says they are done with the silliness, the other person may make their final post about the issue that could include a potshot, a summary, or just an agreement to also drop it. That's the usual way things end up.

However, Marty's MO -- shown once again -- is to string together 4-5 posts where he thinks he is rubbing it in. IMO, that just speaks to his character as a person... or lack thereof.

Maybe it is due to his, as he calls it, "big ego". Everyone is different, for example highly successful and astute people can have that. However, in Marty's case his numerous pile on posts after the fact, as well as his big ego, likely stem from a deep-rooted insecurity and/or someone missing some filters.

TBH you two are a lot alike. You just attempt to be meaner.

The results on here have suggested that. But note you are a lot like Marty in that you get shot down just as often (predominately nowadays in another type of thread on the site).