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Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/5/2026 11:15:02 AM)
The rest of the ESPN article: What is one secondary priority to watch? Settle the Brian Flores situation. He has been one of the NFL's best defensive coordinators during his three seasons in Minnesota, but his contract is expiring and he'll have the opportunity to consider options elsewhere even if he doesn't get a head coaching job. It'll be a challenge to replace him with an equal performer. -- Kevin Seifert Latest on whether they will re-sign safety Harrison Smith: Smith got the last-game treatment in Week 18, subbing out in the final minutes for a home-crowd ovation and hugs from teammates. That signals a looming retirement. But if he plays a 15th season, the chances of a return to Minnesota would be high. He produced at age 36 with 54 tackles, two interceptions, 10 pass deflections and one sack. -- Fowler Early draft outlook: If Flores isn't hired away as a head coach, he'll want to bolster the secondary. Ohio State's Caleb Downs is unlikely to last until the late teens, but he would be an ideal pick in a Minkah Fitzpatrick-type role. Either Brandon Cisse (South Carolina) or Colton Hood (Tennessee) might be more likely options to fill a need at cornerback. -- Miller Big prediction for the offseason: With little cap space, the Vikings will say goodbye to tight end T.J. Hockenson, who has had injury issues and is coming off two straight years with fewer than 500 receiving yards. He was tied for 33rd among tight ends in ESPN's receiver scores through Week 17. Cutting Hockenson would save the Vikings nearly $9 million in cap space before June 1 and $16 million if designated after June 1. -- Schatz

Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/5/2026 11:54:57 AM)
Flores has been good no doubt. But I was still disappointed in the D in a couple of got to have it drives vs the Steelers, Ravens and Eagles. His stock has sky rocketed by beating up on the disinterested Lions, C Tune, injured Daniels, injured Dart and disinterested Cowboys. At the same time the offense put them in terrible situations all season. I was bullish on this team playing complimentary football this season and it never really happened except against checked out opposition late in the season. Too many injuries on the OLine leading to inconsistencies on offense, have really made this a lost season. It would have been great to see JJ against Seattle and see how he handle that D. Also what a year to get near flawless kicking as well.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/5/2026 1:15:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking Flores has been good no doubt. But I was still disappointed in the D in a couple of got to have it drives vs the Steelers, Ravens and Eagles. His stock has sky rocketed by beating up on the disinterested Lions, C Tune, injured Daniels, injured Dart and disinterested Cowboys. At the same time the offense put them in terrible situations all season. I was bullish on this team playing complimentary football this season and it never really happened except against checked out opposition late in the season. Too many injuries on the OLine leading to inconsistencies on offense, have really made this a lost season. It would have been great to see JJ against Seattle and see how he handle that D. Also what a year to get near flawless kicking as well. BFlo has never had a competent secondary and this year we finally had some DLineman. And he has still has made the defense respectful to above average. Bring back BFlo and give him a secondary and he would give us a consistent top 5 defense.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/5/2026 2:19:23 PM)
Yeah, Flo needs to come back and we need a legit cover corner on the outside so Murphy can kick back inside for good. Just think about this. I'm sure we would be one and done but if didn't given up the long KO to the Bears, this team is in the dance with bottom 5 QB'ing for the entire year (and you could argue it's worse than that).

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/5/2026 2:22:53 PM)
That said, on the offensive side they have to figure out the QB situation. Whether or not you think they should bring a legit guy and make JJM the backup or start him and bring in a legit backup, you simply cannot go in with JJM some random old guy off the street who doesn't know the offense Brosmer

Steve Lentz -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/5/2026 5:20:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking Flores has been good no doubt. But I was still disappointed in the D in a couple of got to have it drives vs the Steelers, Ravens and Eagles. His stock has sky rocketed by beating up on the disinterested Lions, C Tune, injured Daniels, injured Dart and disinterested Cowboys. At the same time the offense put them in terrible situations all season. I was bullish on this team playing complimentary football this season and it never really happened except against checked out opposition late in the season. Too many injuries on the OLine leading to inconsistencies on offense, have really made this a lost season. It would have been great to see JJ against Seattle and see how he handle that D. Also what a year to get near flawless kicking as well. BFlo has never had a competent secondary and this year we finally had some DLineman. And he has still has made the defense respectful to above average. Bring back BFlo and give him a secondary and he would give us a consistent top 5 defense. Do not want to lose Flores!!!!

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/5/2026 6:29:13 PM)
Nice article on The Athletic about Dallas Turner. In addition to the 6.5 sacks in the last 8 games when he started getting real playing time, he finished with 66 tackles, 15 QB hits and 4 strip sacks, which tied for the league lead and most by a Viking since Jarred Allen who had the same number in 2011. And he's still only 22 years old.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/5/2026 7:20:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Nice article on The Athletic about Dallas Turner. In addition to the 6.5 sacks in the last 8 games when he started getting real playing time, he finished with 66 tackles, 15 QB hits and 4 strip sacks, which tied for the league lead and most by a Viking since Jarred Allen who had the same number in 2011. And he's still only 22 years old. 1/3rd of those sacks were against Green Bay's practice squad. Despite Qweasy forking over almost an entire draft to get to that draft slot, I've always hoped the best for him. Hope he progresses.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 8:04:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking Flores has been good no doubt. But I was still disappointed in the D in a couple of got to have it drives vs the Steelers, Ravens and Eagles. His stock has sky rocketed by beating up on the disinterested Lions, C Tune, injured Daniels, injured Dart and disinterested Cowboys. At the same time the offense put them in terrible situations all season. I was bullish on this team playing complimentary football this season and it never really happened except against checked out opposition late in the season. Too many injuries on the OLine leading to inconsistencies on offense, have really made this a lost season. It would have been great to see JJ against Seattle and see how he handle that D. Also what a year to get near flawless kicking as well. BFlo has never had a competent secondary and this year we finally had some DLineman. And he has still has made the defense respectful to above average. Bring back BFlo and give him a secondary and he would give us a consistent top 5 defense. Do not want to lose Flores!!!! The biggest problem will be LV. Rumor is Tom wants to bring the NE coaches back.....Flores as HC and another as DC. I see Gannon (Former ARZ HC) is now available.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 10:40:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking Flores has been good no doubt. But I was still disappointed in the D in a couple of got to have it drives vs the Steelers, Ravens and Eagles. His stock has sky rocketed by beating up on the disinterested Lions, C Tune, injured Daniels, injured Dart and disinterested Cowboys. At the same time the offense put them in terrible situations all season. I was bullish on this team playing complimentary football this season and it never really happened except against checked out opposition late in the season. Too many injuries on the OLine leading to inconsistencies on offense, have really made this a lost season. It would have been great to see JJ against Seattle and see how he handle that D. Also what a year to get near flawless kicking as well. BFlo has never had a competent secondary and this year we finally had some DLineman. And he has still has made the defense respectful to above average. Bring back BFlo and give him a secondary and he would give us a consistent top 5 defense. Do not want to lose Flores!!!! The biggest problem will be LV. Rumor is Tom wants to bring the NE coaches back.....Flores as HC and another as DC. I see Gannon (Former ARZ HC) is now available. If we lose Flores, go in house with Daronte Jones or bring in Raheem Morris. Losing Flores for a HC job should bring us a 3rd Rounder in 2027.

Rob Viking -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 10:45:56 AM)
Exactly I suspect that late season win streak will cost us Flores. Like I had mentioned earlier while he's been very good, but there have been moments the D has let down the team this season. When he gets figured out in game you see massive holes in the middle of the defense like the Eagles game. There are always quality DCs out there like Gannon, Raheem Morris, Eberflus or in college someone like Matt Patricia. Maybe Todd Bowles gets canned in Tampa. Or they promote Mike Pettine from within.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 10:52:34 AM)
So losing Flores to a HC position means 3rd round compensatory picks (after the normal ones are distributed) in two consecutive drafts? If so, would rather have Flores but at least that's some consolation. Wait, not if Kwesi is drafting. Wait, unless he resorts to throwing darts at the big board which would be a better way to draft.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 10:58:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking Exactly I suspect that late season win streak will cost us Flores. Like I had mentioned earlier while he's been very good, but there have been moments the D has let down the team this season. When he gets figured out in game you see massive holes in the middle of the defense like the Eagles game. There are always quality DCs out there like Gannon, Raheem Morris, Eberflus or in college someone like Matt Patricia. Maybe Todd Bowles gets canned in Tampa. Or they promote Mike Pettine from within. None of these DCs you mention will give us a consistent top 5 defense until we fix the secondary. Big no to Pettine. Go Jones in if we go in house. He has learned 1st hand from Flores.

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 11:01:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So losing Flores to a HC position means 3rd round compensatory picks (after the normal ones are distributed) in two consecutive drafts? If so, would rather have Flores but at least that's some consolation. Wait, not if Kwesi is drafting. Wait, unless he resorts to throwing darts at the big board which would be a better way to draft. So it is two 3rd rounders. Do you know if it is 2026 and 2027 or is it 2027 and 2028?

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 11:43:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Rob Viking Exactly I suspect that late season win streak will cost us Flores. Like I had mentioned earlier while he's been very good, but there have been moments the D has let down the team this season. When he gets figured out in game you see massive holes in the middle of the defense like the Eagles game. There are always quality DCs out there like Gannon, Raheem Morris, Eberflus or in college someone like Matt Patricia. Maybe Todd Bowles gets canned in Tampa. Or they promote Mike Pettine from within. None of these DCs you mention will give us a consistent top 5 defense until we fix the secondary. Big no to Pettine. Go Jones in if we go in house. He has learned 1st hand from Flores. Flores was the key....top 5 Defense with 0 Pro Bowlers.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 11:47:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen So losing Flores to a HC position means 3rd round compensatory picks (after the normal ones are distributed) in two consecutive drafts? If so, would rather have Flores but at least that's some consolation. Wait, not if Kwesi is drafting. Wait, unless he resorts to throwing darts at the big board which would be a better way to draft. So it is two 3rd rounders. Do you know if it is 2026 and 2027 or is it 2027 and 2028? Based on the Rams with Morris leaving ~ Jan 2024 then getting picks in 2024 and 2025, it would be this year and next (unless the NFL changed that).

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 12:35:50 PM)
Because Flores contract is expiring instead of him leaving mid contract... I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikes get screwed out of those 3rd round picks. [X(] (maybe not though... it could follow like loosing a free agent)

Mark Anderson -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 12:42:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo Because Flores contract is expiring instead of him leaving mid contract... I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikes get screwed out of those 3rd round picks. [X(] (maybe not though... it could follow like loosing a free agent) From what I read, the criteria to receive compensation is that he(Flores) had to be on staff for at least 2 years. If hired away, we would have three 3rd rounders this year. Maybe we can move up a little bit in 1st round.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 4:09:56 PM)
I would not be surprised to see him back next year... Falcons restructure Kirk Cousins’ contract, will likely release him by March ATLANTA — The Atlanta Falcons don’t have a head coach or a general manager, but that hasn’t stopped the team from continuing to do business. The most significant item of business early this week was a restructuring of quarterback Kirk Cousins’ contract that gives the team more financial flexibility this spring and allows Cousins to essentially advertise to the rest of the league — or anyone interested in his services — that he will be a free agent by March 12. Atlanta converted Cousins’ 2026 salary from $35 million to $2.1 million, according to a league source, moving the leftover $32.9 million to his 2027 base salary, making his base salary for that season $67.9 million. The move essentially guarantees Cousins will be released before March 13 because that entire $67.9 million would be due to him if he’s still on the roster then. Releasing Cousins with a post-June 1 designation would cost the Falcons $35 million of dead cap hit, which can be split into two payments of $22.5 million (2026) and $12.5 million (2027). This week’s move frees up some of that money earlier for Atlanta. Cousins said Sunday that he wants to return for a 15th NFL season in 2026 and would be open to continuing to play in Atlanta. “I’d like to keep playing, but we’ll see how things play out in March or even after that,” he said. “I would love to be back here. We’ll see how things play out. At this point, you kind of just see where it goes.” Cousins finished the season 31st in the league in EPA per dropback (minus-0.02), but he led the Falcons to a 5-2 record after replacing Penix as the starter and was 21st in the league in EPA per dropback (0.02) in that stretch. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6946922/2026/01/06/kirk-cousins-falcons-contract-restructure-free-agent/?campaign=16368685&source=athletic_breaking_targeted_email&userId=114953

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 4:10:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson quote: ORIGINAL: beo Because Flores contract is expiring instead of him leaving mid contract... I wouldn't be surprised if the Vikes get screwed out of those 3rd round picks. [X(] (maybe not though... it could follow like loosing a free agent) From what I read, the criteria to receive compensation is that he(Flores) had to be on staff for at least 2 years. If hired away, we would have three 3rd rounders this year. Maybe we can move up a little bit in 1st round. 3 third rders? Maybe we should have let Kwesi's contract expire as well.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 5:23:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine I would not be surprised to see him back next year... Falcons restructure Kirk Cousins’ contract, will likely release him by March ATLANTA — The Atlanta Falcons don’t have a head coach or a general manager, but that hasn’t stopped the team from continuing to do business. The most significant item of business early this week was a restructuring of quarterback Kirk Cousins’ contract that gives the team more financial flexibility this spring and allows Cousins to essentially advertise to the rest of the league — or anyone interested in his services — that he will be a free agent by March 12. Atlanta converted Cousins’ 2026 salary from $35 million to $2.1 million, according to a league source, moving the leftover $32.9 million to his 2027 base salary, making his base salary for that season $67.9 million. The move essentially guarantees Cousins will be released before March 13 because that entire $67.9 million would be due to him if he’s still on the roster then. Releasing Cousins with a post-June 1 designation would cost the Falcons $35 million of dead cap hit, which can be split into two payments of $22.5 million (2026) and $12.5 million (2027). This week’s move frees up some of that money earlier for Atlanta. Cousins said Sunday that he wants to return for a 15th NFL season in 2026 and would be open to continuing to play in Atlanta. “I’d like to keep playing, but we’ll see how things play out in March or even after that,” he said. “I would love to be back here. We’ll see how things play out. At this point, you kind of just see where it goes.” Cousins finished the season 31st in the league in EPA per dropback (minus-0.02), but he led the Falcons to a 5-2 record after replacing Penix as the starter and was 21st in the league in EPA per dropback (0.02) in that stretch. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6946922/2026/01/06/kirk-cousins-falcons-contract-restructure-free-agent/?campaign=16368685&source=athletic_breaking_targeted_email&userId=114953 I would say it's at 75% he's back and told he'll be able to compete to start. I still think they'll make some quick calls on guys like Burrow/Herbert/Jackson but this is what they wanted all along IMO. They thought they had Jones locked up and got surprised and didn't have a real option B. Same deal here. 1 - 2 year at 12-15 million and you can compete while they try and get JJM right.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 7:10:57 PM)
Cousins is already in his ineffective journeyman stage where he will continue to milk tens of millions from another stupid GM. Cousins finished the season 31st in the league in EPA per dropback... A QB finishing 31st in anything is a non-starter.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/6/2026 7:14:46 PM)
The fn Stan’s just cant shit up or let go… Angry “ Kirk o chains!! “ sucking noises..[&o]

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/7/2026 12:14:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young The fn Stan’s just cant shit up or let go… Angry “ Kirk o chains!! “ sucking noises..[&o] Are the Kirk stans in the room with us? Believing something is going to happen doesn’t mean you want it to happen.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talkk (1/7/2026 2:05:25 AM)
So my posting a while back that Kirk was the most likely backup QB for next year is actually right. Put me in the category of believing something is going to happen, doesn't mean I support it.

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