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Ian Joseph -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2012 11:00:39 AM)

The only team that seems to be a quality candidate to trade for #1 appears to be Cleveland. They have two first round picks this year, as well as high picks in subsequent rounds and of course, their number 1 pick next year.

The question today is would they do it?

Of course, this whole thing could change in the next four months.




Rob Viking -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2012 3:01:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

NFC

East
Eagles 12-4
Cowboys 9-7
Giants 8-8
Skins 4-12
The Eagles have aa nice schedule which should help. Their LBs can be had but their deep DLine should make things easy for that group, can Vick stay healthy? Dallas will be better, but I wonder how the defense will do without Phillips, they dropped mightily last season it wasn't so much their offense or the loss of Romo. Giants will start strong but they have tough sked down the stretch, plus losing Steve Smith, Boss, O'Hara and Seubert will have an immediate effect. Skins are a clueless franchise, though I think Grossman will surprise some, he's a better QB than most give him credit for, but they still lack weapons.

North
Pack 11-5
Bears 9-7
Vikes 7-9
Lions 6-10
The best division in the NFL, every team will have improved though I see the Bears dropping off a bit and the Pack staying the same. The Packers return the same team and for a SB champs they have a fairly easy sked. We'll see if Cutler can improve, the OLine should be better and the defense is always strong, not sure why they want to put turf @Soldier field, it's a big advantage for them. The Lions will be competitive but do they know how to win games? I can see them being much like the Texans have the past couple of seasons. There's enough Vikes talk to go around on these boards but I see a very tough sked giving us this 7-9, whereas if we had the 2009 sked we would be 10-6 or so.

South
Saints 13-3
Bucs 10-6
Falcons 9-7
Panthers 3-13
Love what the Saints did in the offseason, there D is going to be very strong. Not totally buying replacing Bush with Sproles, Sproles isn't as dynamic and Bush also dictated punt coverage. Josh Freeman will be an MVP candidate, they're not spectacular but the Bucs were really gelling as a team especially offensively. The Falcons will come back to earth a bit, their 14-2 last season could've have easily been as low as 9-7, plus teams will be gunning for them this season.

West
49ers 9-7
Rams 8-8
Cards 7-9
Seahwaks 5-11
Think the 49ers will prove why they were the favorites to win the West last season. Less pressure and better coaching they will fly under the radar and claim the NFC Worst. Alex Smith has some weapons Gore, Braylon, Crabtree and Davis plus a decent OLine. Rams are getting better but I can see Bradford slumping a bit in his 2nd year where teams have tape on him plus he lacks WRs, though I do see him being great next season. Cards are better but they have alot of holes, Tavaris won't make it past Week 5 the way he hangs on to the ball. Wouldn;t be surprised if this division gives other teams problems.

AFC
East
Pats 12-4
Jets 11-5
Phins 7-9
Bills 3-13
Pats still on top Ochocinco > Branch and the TEs are growing, defense is better as well. Sanchez should improve, he knows how to win and I expect him to have some 300+yd games and 3+TD games. Phins will be tough very good coaching staff but not sold on Henne, their defense will be strong and could supplant the Jets. Bills will be picking in the top 5 again, curious to see how Stevie Johnson, Spiller and Merriman do.

North
Steelers 12-4
Ravens 10-6
Browns 8-8
Bengals 3-13
Ravens will get the upper hand on Pitt with a meeting in Baltimore in Week 1. Decided to change this as I don't think the Steelers will relinquish their division crown. They'll be better than last year as I see them being more effective on the ground. Plus the Ravens OLine troubles are worrisome. Steelers will be good again, OLine is always a question, they dropped 2 mediocre players in Adams and Starks but continuity is a question. Browns can be a surprise this season, weak schedule might propel them to 10-6 and Ithink they will be the darlings of the NHL until week 12 where they finish 4 out of the last 5 agsint the Steelers and Ravens. Cincy is actually a good place for Dalton he has QB friendly targets in Green, Shiply and Gresham (great NCAA receiving core), OLine a question.


South
Colts 11-5
Texans 9-7
Titans 7-9
Jags 5-11
The Colts shouldn't have the injuries they had last season. The division is quite poor and I don't think the Texans can win the games necessary to over taking them. As for the Texans I expect much of the same until they prove they can win tough games on the road and until Schaub can back his stats up with wins. Titans will be decent, their defense is ok and they still have CJ along with more stability at QB, this team was looking good until they imploded down the stretch. Del Rio may finally get wacked at seasons end, when will we see Gabbert?

West
Chargers 13-3
Chiefs 7-9
Raiders 5-11
Broncos 4-12
The Chargers will be practicing plenty of special teams in camp, Jackson back for the season along with Floyd, they had plenty of injuries but I expect this offense to be great. Defense was one of the best as well last season though I see them as more middle of the pack. Chiefs don't have the cake scedule they had last season with a stretch in late November (@NE, vs Pitt, @Chi, @NYJ, vs GB). Raiders got worse giving up on Cable and losing Gallery, Al Davis needs to get a grip by loosening his grip on this team. Broncos will be interesting, still think McDaniel was a good coach, sure he was a prick att times but he made Orton look great at times and I think he would've helped Tebow alot.


I was off on the:
Chargers
Colts (thought Manning would play)
Broncos (though they're still not far off a 4-12 team tbh)
Jets somewhat
Should've flipped Browns and Bengals, both had really easy schedules
Eagles even though they might be a top 5 team atm
Lions thought their was too much hype and they hadn't addressed their OLine and secondary. Both were issues but Stafford and Calvin took their games to the next level.
I still don't know what happened to the Bucs?
4 games off on the Vikes but given the balance of close games 5-11 or 6-10 would've been fair.
Cam Newton was incredible.




Rob Viking -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2012 3:07:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

My draft prediction: the Colts will keep Manning and trade the pick for Luck.


I am starting to believe that as well with the Polians being fired.

They appear to have been in favor in grabbing Luck and starting over.

Now it appears that you are correct.

Who will be the team to trade up for him?

Washington?
Cleveland?
Jacksonville/Los Angelese jaguars?


I wouldn't count out Seattle, Miami, KC or Arizona.

What about Baltimore? If Flacco has a dismal outing and they get beat by the Steelers or Texans, could other brother Harbaugh make a big trade? Maybe Denver too?




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2012 3:07:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ian Joseph

The only team that seems to be a quality candidate to trade for #1 appears to be Cleveland. They have two first round picks this year, as well as high picks in subsequent rounds and of course, their number 1 pick next year.

The question today is would they do it?

Of course, this whole thing could change in the next four months.


That's always made me laugh.  That we are all in about who we should draft right now, when we have no idea what free agency and all the stuff leading up to the draft will bring. 

We could trade (not our first round pick) for a good LT, sign a FA WR and S or CB and go into the draft with a much different need with our pick. 

however,  Drafting this high is when I do believe you draft BPA more than anything.  Even if you already have good players in place at that position.  AD proved that.  You get the best player and you can work around the other needs through FA and trades.

I just think we have too many needs right now to be competetive in 2012.

We can get much younger and more talented by trading out of our pick for a package of picks over the next two years AND trading aging but still dominant talent like Jared Allen.  Neither should come cheap...but both could garner us a lot of talent..provided Speilmann doesn't eff it all up and draft a bunch of Demetrius Underwoods and Troy Williamsons.




John Childress -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2012 3:16:07 PM)

You never really draft BPA

Are you going to draft a RB at #3?

Trading Jared Allen will make for empty seats and blackouts

From a football standpoint it might make sense but it will kill the fans. The guy gave us 16 games of 100% effort this year.

You can't trade him




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2012 3:20:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

You never really draft BPA

Are you going to draft a RB at #3?


If the player is talented enough you do...and the Vikings have at least Twice, in 1998 (Randy Moss) and more recently with AD.

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Trading Jared Allen will make for empty seats and blackouts

From a football standpoint it might make sense but it will kill the fans. The guy gave us 16 games of 100% effort this year.


I would hate to do it and I agree, he's more than just a great player, he's a great leader, showing that you always do your best no matter what the situation.  Take pride in your work.

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You can't trade him


You can...but you've got to get one hell of a lot in return.

From a PR standpoint it would be a mistake, a bad move, but from a longterm standpoint it can accelerrate what will likely be a long rebuilding effort.





John Childress -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2012 3:26:43 PM)

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If the player is talented enough you do...and the Vikings have at least Twice, in 1998 (Randy Moss) and more recently with AD.


Very poor comparison

1. You can play 2 or 3 WRs at one time
2. Jake Reed is no Adrian Peterson
3. We already have twopick
4. This is a passing league - a #3 pick on another RB would be the height of stupidity
5. We even have Harvin who gets 5 carries a game

That would be the biggest waste of a draft pick in Vikings history
incredibly stupid




Thomas O. Eliason -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/3/2012 5:45:15 PM)

Get MeMo - he's great in the passing game.  He could probably teach our guys a couple tricks too.

I think it has gone unnoticed here, that I made a successful prediction this season.  Joe Webb did, in fact, have more TDs than Bernard NoHeart Berrian... as predicted before the season started.  No matter which TDs you counted, or didn't count.

You guys never give me any dang credit around here, just backtalk and smarm !

(except Scott of course)




Toby Stumbo -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 8:39:53 AM)

TOE, I'll give you $10 worth of credit, with todays economic problems it's all I can do. [;)]




Rob Viking -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 10:14:21 AM)

Predictions for the WC round

Houston 24 Cincy 13
Andre Johnson gives the Texans another element because Walter and Jacoby Jones should be #4 WR on most teams (Vikings not included). Foster does his thing and the Texans D does there's, they'll be fired up for their first playoff game at home. Johnathan Joseph conatins AJ Green.

NO 41 Det 31
I see the Saints dominating early and getting up 31-10 at half then 38-17 after 3 quarters, Lions roar back to make it 38-31 but the Saints kick a late FG to ice it. I could see the Lions containing Brees a bit. Suh, Fairly and Williams might be able to push the pocket on Brees.

NYG 31 Atl 20
Giants are peaking right now. The Falcons secondary is poor and I don't see them slowing down Cruz and Nicks. I don't think the Falcons have it especially away from the Georgia Dome. Unless Julio Jones goes off and dominates I see the Giants winning quite easily.

Pitt 20 Den 6
This might finally be the end of the Tebow experiment. I actually see the Broncos hanging tough but back to back Tebow TOs late doom them. Not impressed by the Steelers lately and I could've seen them losing in Houston or Oakland but they get the right team that won't challenge their defense. 




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 10:42:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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If the player is talented enough you do...and the Vikings have at least Twice, in 1998 (Randy Moss) and more recently with AD.


Very poor comparison

1. You can play 2 or 3 WRs at one time
2. Jake Reed is no Adrian Peterson
3. We already have twopick
4. This is a passing league - a #3 pick on another RB would be the height of stupidity
5. We even have Harvin who gets 5 carries a game

That would be the biggest waste of a draft pick in Vikings history
incredibly stupid


Wow, did you miss the point by a mile or what?

The point was in 1998 we already had good players at WR.  Reed was no slouch and Carter was already there.  The Vikings did not pass on the Moss talent even though we already had good WRs and had other needs.  The talent decided the pick.  Same thing with AD, we had a 1200 yard RB already on the roster, but the Vikes didn't hesitate to take one of the best talents at his position in years even though we had other needs. 

I personally don't think there is a RB talented enough to justifiably pick at #3 this year...but there is a WR, CB, QB (if Luck were to fall) and a couple Olinemen that would all be worth the #3.  And no, I don't think RGIII is among those.

My point was is there is a player talented enough you pick them whether you are strong at their position or not.  The Vikings have done this at least twice to great success. 

In this draft only Andrew Luck really fits the bill of take him no matter what.  The Colts would be fools to pass on him with Manning getting older and his health in doubt.

Now you also have to remember that "twopick" isn't exactly a world beater and AD is coming off a major knee injury so if a truly talented RB (along the lines of an AD) were to be there (I don't think there is one even close this year), if that player were available you take them.





Trekgeekscott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 10:49:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

Predictions for the WC round

Houston 24 Cincy 13
Andre Johnson gives the Texans another element because Walter and Jacoby Jones should be #4 WR on most teams (Vikings not included). Foster does his thing and the Texans D does there's, they'll be fired up for their first playoff game at home. Johnathan Joseph conatins AJ Green.


This will be a defensive battle, but I agree...Johnson will be the difference .

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NO 41 Det 31
I see the Saints dominating early and getting up 31-10 at half then 38-17 after 3 quarters, Lions roar back to make it 38-31 but the Saints kick a late FG to ice it. I could see the Lions containing Brees a bit. Suh, Fairly and Williams might be able to push the pocket on Brees.


Offensively the Lions have shown they can go toe to toe with the best.  Two 5000 yard passers playing each other in one game...I think the score will be closer but agree the Saints pull it out.

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NYG 31 Atl 20
Giants are peaking right now. The Falcons secondary is poor and I don't see them slowing down Cruz and Nicks. I don't think the Falcons have it especially away from the Georgia Dome. Unless Julio Jones goes off and dominates I see the Giants winning quite easily.



Right now, the two teams that could put a scare into the Packers are the Saints and Giants.  Eli Manning doesn't have his brother's stats, but he's pretty ****ing clutch.  And wont let the pressure get to him.  Atlanta will screw themselves somehow.


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Pitt 20 Den 6
This might finally be the end of the Tebow experiment. I actually see the Broncos hanging tough but back to back Tebow TOs late doom them. Not impressed by the Steelers lately and I could've seen them losing in Houston or Oakland but they get the right team that won't challenge their defense. 


Once again I agree.  But this will be a defensive battle.  Steelers aren't going to steamroll the Denver defense anymore than the Broncos are going to steamroll Pittsburgh...and Pittsburgh has to go on the road.  I think it's closer.  Tebow will channell his inner Jesus and somehow make it interesting.  But on one run, James Harrison will obliterate him and that will be it for Tim Tebow.




Shaun Stuart -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 11:26:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

My draft prediction: the Colts will keep Manning and trade the pick for Luck.


I am starting to believe that as well with the Polians being fired.

They appear to have been in favor in grabbing Luck and starting over.

Now it appears that you are correct.

Who will be the team to trade up for him?

Washington?
Cleveland?
Jacksonville/Los Angelese jaguars?


That's funny...my reaction to the Polians being fired was exactly the opposite.

I might be missing something, I don't live/die by the Colts, but I always thought Peyton and the Polians were pretty much joined at the hip. My guess is that they wanted to draft Luck and sit him behind Manning for at least a year, and Irsay doesn't want any road blocks to starting Luck.

My prediction would be that they trade Manning to Washgton for some combination of picks and start Luck next year. Peyton may or may not be what he once was, but he'll be good enough for long enough for Schneider to make a deal.




Prescott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 12:05:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Shaun Stuart

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

My draft prediction: the Colts will keep Manning and trade the pick for Luck.


I am starting to believe that as well with the Polians being fired.

They appear to have been in favor in grabbing Luck and starting over.

Now it appears that you are correct.

Who will be the team to trade up for him?

Washington?
Cleveland?
Jacksonville/Los Angelese jaguars?


That's funny...my reaction to the Polians being fired was exactly the opposite.

I might be missing something, I don't live/die by the Colts, but I always thought Peyton and the Polians were pretty much joined at the hip. My guess is that they wanted to draft Luck and sit him behind Manning for at least a year, and Irsay doesn't want any road blocks to starting Luck.

My prediction would be that they trade Manning to Washgton for some combination of picks and start Luck next year. Peyton may or may not be what he once was, but he'll be good enough for long enough for Schneider to make a deal.


That was my feeling too, Polian and Manning are really close and I can see him wanting to build around Manning for the next few years, while Irsay, while appreciating what Manning has done, is thinking about the future of his team.

I do think the Colts will draft Luck and have him sit behind Manning at least one year, ala Aaron Rodgers.




Rob Viking -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 2:22:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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ORIGINAL: Shaun Stuart

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

My draft prediction: the Colts will keep Manning and trade the pick for Luck.


I am starting to believe that as well with the Polians being fired.

They appear to have been in favor in grabbing Luck and starting over.

Now it appears that you are correct.

Who will be the team to trade up for him?

Washington?
Cleveland?
Jacksonville/Los Angelese jaguars?


That's funny...my reaction to the Polians being fired was exactly the opposite.

I might be missing something, I don't live/die by the Colts, but I always thought Peyton and the Polians were pretty much joined at the hip. My guess is that they wanted to draft Luck and sit him behind Manning for at least a year, and Irsay doesn't want any road blocks to starting Luck.

My prediction would be that they trade Manning to Washgton for some combination of picks and start Luck next year. Peyton may or may not be what he once was, but he'll be good enough for long enough for Schneider to make a deal.


That was my feeling too, Polian and Manning are really close and I can see him wanting to build around Manning for the next few years, while Irsay, while appreciating what Manning has done, is thinking about the future of his team.

I do think the Colts will draft Luck and have him sit behind Manning at least one year, ala Aaron Rodgers.


They will go with Manning next season and have Luck learn the offense. Peyton probably comes back and the Colts are 11-5 team again. Luck will get some reps in blowouts. Then will the Colts take Peyton back for another year?

Who knows, if Daniel Snyder offers 3 1st rounders for Peyton, Irsay will jump on that.




Prescott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 2:33:27 PM)

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Then will the Colts take Peyton back for another year?


Not sure, but I bet good money they will handle it with more class than the Green Bay Suckers. They won't try to force him to retire and ban him from playing. I see it as more a Niner/Joe Montana scenario, where it gets a little testy but not over the top, and Payton eventually goes where he wants.




jim -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 3:36:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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Then will the Colts take Peyton back for another year?


Not sure, but I bet good money they will handle it with more class than the Green Bay Suckers. They won't try to force him to retire and ban him from playing. I see it as more a Niner/Joe Montana scenario, where it gets a little testy but not over the top, and Payton eventually goes where he wants.


There's 26 million reasons not to.




DavidAOlson -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 4:29:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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ORIGINAL: Shaun Stuart

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

My draft prediction: the Colts will keep Manning and trade the pick for Luck.


I am starting to believe that as well with the Polians being fired.

They appear to have been in favor in grabbing Luck and starting over.

Now it appears that you are correct.

Who will be the team to trade up for him?

Washington?
Cleveland?
Jacksonville/Los Angelese jaguars?


That's funny...my reaction to the Polians being fired was exactly the opposite.

I might be missing something, I don't live/die by the Colts, but I always thought Peyton and the Polians were pretty much joined at the hip. My guess is that they wanted to draft Luck and sit him behind Manning for at least a year, and Irsay doesn't want any road blocks to starting Luck.

My prediction would be that they trade Manning to Washgton for some combination of picks and start Luck next year. Peyton may or may not be what he once was, but he'll be good enough for long enough for Schneider to make a deal.


That was my feeling too, Polian and Manning are really close and I can see him wanting to build around Manning for the next few years, while Irsay, while appreciating what Manning has done, is thinking about the future of his team.

I do think the Colts will draft Luck and have him sit behind Manning at least one year, ala Aaron Rodgers.


Little chance of that. Drafting Luck puts an expiration date on Peyton. That's why Favre was so pissed off at GB management, drafting a replacement instead of getting him tools to make another run. And to avoid that scenario, Papa Archie tossed out his public comment about Luck.

The reason I think the Polians wanted to trade Peyton is Irsay's public comments about paying Peyton his upcoming bonus, regardless. It just seems more logical that the owner wants to keep Peyton --- both for sentimental and public-goodwill business reasons, while the football guys see the value of getting an uninjured, long-term, franchise QB, a once-a-decade prospect.

But maybe I'm wrong.




JT2 -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 6:27:42 PM)

Polian regrets not having backup plan for Colts

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/04/3352686/polian-regrets-not-having-backup.html#storylink=cpy




John Childress -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/4/2012 7:46:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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Then will the Colts take Peyton back for another year?


Not sure, but I bet good money they will handle it with more class than the Green Bay Suckers. They won't try to force him to retire and ban him from playing. I see it as more a Niner/Joe Montana scenario, where it gets a little testy but not over the top, and Payton eventually goes where he wants.


No, they won't.

At the end of the day, it is a business.  Joe Montana was a much better QB than Favre and he got shown the door in SF

Manning will be summarily dismissed - IF Irsay has any sense.




Brad H -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/5/2012 1:30:21 PM)

Like I said at the beginning of the year, this team will be lucky to win four games. Absolutely terrible team. The management has completely screwed up the franchise.

Other noteworthy predictions:
Thomas Eliason 19-0
Corleone 9-7
Lars 8-8
Rob Viking 7-9




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/5/2012 1:33:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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Then will the Colts take Peyton back for another year?


Not sure, but I bet good money they will handle it with more class than the Green Bay Suckers. They won't try to force him to retire and ban him from playing. I see it as more a Niner/Joe Montana scenario, where it gets a little testy but not over the top, and Payton eventually goes where he wants.


No, they won't.

At the end of the day, it is a business.  Joe Montana was a much better QB than Favre and he got shown the door in SF

Manning will be summarily dismissed - IF Irsay has any sense.


It's the Huge bonus they will have to pay Manning BEFORE the new NFL year begins March 1 that will determine that.  Something like $20Million.  There is no way, with his uncertain status and Andrew Luck on his way that they should pay that bonus.  Can Manning still sling it...If his neck is fully healed, I say hell yes.  But there is no way the Colts will pay that bonus, unless they are incredibly stupid.




RBIrving -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/5/2012 1:47:34 PM)

Gonna be a real hard contract to trade before that payment is due. I'll be surprised if they don't release him outright.




Brad H -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/5/2012 1:49:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RBIrving

Gonna be a real hard contract to trade before that payment is due. I'll be surprised if they don't release him outright.

They have to release him, plain and simple. Andrew Luck will be the first pick by the Colts.




RBIrving -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (1/5/2012 2:03:15 PM)

Have to? I've seen stupider moves in the NFL.




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