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Mark Anderson -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/5/2012 9:15:36 AM)

Vikes 30

Tennesee 20

Ponder 22-35 238 YDS 1 TD 1 INT

AD 25-132 2 TD



Rob Viking -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/5/2012 1:57:54 PM)

Vikes 27-17

I think the game won't be that close. We're up 24-3 at some point. AD with 150+ yds and a TD. CJ 0.2K 32 yds on 14 carries.

Can't believe this was even a discussion and many sided with CJ being the better back. I still contend, if AD had the blocking CJ had that year he would have ran for 2,500+ yards.



thebigo -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/5/2012 3:00:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

Vikes 27-17

I think the game won't be that close. We're up 24-3 at some point. AD with 150+ yds and a TD. CJ 0.2K 32 yds on 14 carries.

Can't believe this was even a discussion and many sided with CJ being the better back. I still contend, if AD had the blocking CJ had that year he would have ran for 2,500+ yards.


It seems like the "short running back shelf life" theory applies to everyone but AD.



marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/6/2012 10:23:31 AM)

Completely changed my mind on this one.

Titans 27 Vikes 24 OT


Vikes have a chance to win in regulation, but Walsh misses a 37 yard FG. [:@]
Bironas kicks a 61 yard FG in OT for the Titans' win.



thebigo -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/6/2012 7:57:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

Completely changed my mind on this one.

Titans 27 Vikes 24 OT


Vikes have a chance to win in regulation, but Walsh misses a 37 yard FG. [:@]
Bironas kicks a 61 yard FG in OT for the Titans' win.


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Nate -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/6/2012 8:03:48 PM)

I still think it will be close. Until the coaches believe we can win by a bunch, I think we will continue the conservative "this is how we are built" strategy and have to eek out another win. 24-19 vikes.



Eric K -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/7/2012 10:53:33 AM)

17-14 Vikings



John Childress -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/7/2012 11:37:04 AM)

Good point Nate

At some point they have to open up the offense



marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/8/2012 2:48:50 PM)

Nice job of getting the Vikings' score Mark !

I guess most of us overestimated the Titans, or underestimated the Vikes defense at home against a vet QB, but a 2nd string QB.

I think I might just keep predicting Viking losses every week, as that one season where I pretty much did that, the Vikes were 13-3 and missed going to the SB by one Favre non 3 yard run.



Rob Viking -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/9/2012 3:55:54 PM)

No surprises in the Titans game for me they are beyond terrible.

I had us losing to Washington in my pre season predictions 23-20, I will maintain that score if RGIII plays, though I see that going in the Vikes favor now mainly due to Cundiff. I simply can't envision Cundiff hitting 3 FGs. If RGIII doesn't play we got them 27-10.

This is a crucial game.



Todd M -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/9/2012 5:47:16 PM)

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This is a crucial game.


I think they all might feel that way for a while.

How sweet will it be to be 5-1 while GB goes to 2-4? [&:]



jim -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/10/2012 12:10:26 PM)

I went to the Vikes/Redskins game last year when Ponder and AD were injured. A Christmas gift to my son before he headed off to West Point. NOT going this year so no injury jinx I hope. I think we continue to run the ball effectively and continue the short routes/high completion passing game. Someone mentioned on the other thread about the bubble screen fake and throwing the deep ball. That is in the playbook but it won't be broken out until the Packers game.

Griffen will be more tentative on his runs and will not take off as willingly or as quickly. He takes one good hit and he could be out very quickly.

Vikings 27 Redskins 17



RBIrving -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/10/2012 1:23:47 PM)

I suspect a slight let down and a bit of over-confidence as they're actually perceived to be the better team. I also believe a lot of it will hinge on the mental aspects of the game in regards to Ponder and AD. As much as they won't like to admit it, it will be very difficult for the memory of being injured the last time they were here to not be a factor for them.

I suspect both will be just tentative enough to throw their game off and the way this team is built/run there is very little margin for error. RG3 is just the kind of rookie QB that the Vikings always have trouble with. I don't think we have an LB that can shadow this kid. Since it was only a "mild" concussion, I don't think it will change how RG3 plays at all. At his stage of development, he's the kind of QB that will take off the first hint of pressure or coverage. Even if we can get consistent pressure with just the Dline, I don't have the confidence of the front 7 being able to contain RG3.

I see a loss. 31-21



Rob Viking -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/10/2012 1:54:47 PM)

RB perhaps we don't have a LB to contain RGIII but we do have Winfield in the slot. Remember the Eagles game on that Tuesday night where Winfield kept blitzing and Vick from the slot and totally ruined the Eagles offensive game plan. Shanahan will probably incorporate roll outs and moving pockets but that strategy could work well this time around as well.



RBIrving -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/10/2012 1:59:13 PM)

trust me Rob, I really want to be wrong on this one.

One advantage we do have is I don't believe RG3 has developed beyond seeing if his primary receiver is going to be open. I don't suspect he'll be able to check down to number two, so if number one isn't open he has two choices. Wait till the receiver gets open or run. If we're able to bet pressure with just the front 4, we may be able to use Winfield as a spy on RG3. I love Winnie, but I'm not sure if the old man can keep up with RG3 for an entire half, let alone the whole game.



Trekgeekscott -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/10/2012 4:00:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RBIrving

I suspect a slight let down and a bit of over-confidence as they're actually perceived to be the better team. I also believe a lot of it will hinge on the mental aspects of the game in regards to Ponder and AD. As much as they won't like to admit it, it will be very difficult for the memory of being injured the last time they were here to not be a factor for them.

I suspect both will be just tentative enough to throw their game off and the way this team is built/run there is very little margin for error. RG3 is just the kind of rookie QB that the Vikings always have trouble with. I don't think we have an LB that can shadow this kid. Since it was only a "mild" concussion, I don't think it will change how RG3 plays at all. At his stage of development, he's the kind of QB that will take off the first hint of pressure or coverage. Even if we can get consistent pressure with just the Dline, I don't have the confidence of the front 7 being able to contain RG3.

I see a loss. 31-21


Ponder maybe, but I see AD as a different kind of animal.  I think he will be an animal on Sunday and run amok on that defense.  He's out to prove that he is fully back and no game in the place he was injured is going to slow him down. I see him as extra motivated.



Gregory Tenn -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/10/2012 5:02:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RBIrving

trust me Rob, I really want to be wrong on this one.

One advantage we do have is I don't believe RG3 has developed beyond seeing if his primary receiver is going to be open. I don't suspect he'll be able to check down to number two, so if number one isn't open he has two choices. Wait till the receiver gets open or run. If we're able to bet pressure with just the front 4, we may be able to use Winfield as a spy on RG3. I love Winnie, but I'm not sure if the old man can keep up with RG3 for an entire half, let alone the whole game.


Forget the spy, why don't we just blitz Winfield every down like we did against Vick that game in Philadelphia.
Now I see Rob posted the same thing.

I don't see the Vikings having any problem with the skins. control both lines of scrimmage. When RG3 decides to run, hit him hard. Pound AD and get the ball in Harvin's hands. Basically the same thing we have been doing the past 4 games.



marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/10/2012 9:54:09 PM)

RB perhaps we don't have a LB to contain RGIII but we do have Winfield in the slot. Remember the Eagles game on that Tuesday night where Winfield kept blitzing and Vick from the slot and totally ruined the Eagles offensive game plan

Didn't the Vikes have a little extra time to prepare for that game ? Also, the new DC might not employ the same method that Pagac sucessfully. I think it's smart to blitz running QBs, you just have to figure out the right amount and be unpredictable. One time, GB played Atlanta and Vick destroyed them the 1st half where the Packers did NO blitzing, and the Packers dominated the 2nd half with lots of blitzing, and won that game.



marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/11/2012 10:45:29 AM)

I wish the Texans had LOST last week, so the Packers would go on the road to meet an angry Texans team.

Instead, the Texans feel invincible,

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20543980/brian-cushing-says-texans-will-win-this-years-super-bowl

- and will feel overconfident at home. IOW, ripe for an upset.

The Packers are reeling a bit, and might feel like they need to play a perfect game to beat an undefeated team. They will be focussed. Should Jennings and Raji play, I think the Packers are likely to win. Should neither play, I'd still give a slight edge to the Pack.

This game is really do or die for the Pack, and I think they'll approach it that way. Drop to 2-5, and their season of high expectations is almost done before it started, written off as just a season where everything went wrong. But winning and going 3-4 after beating what is touted by most as the best team in the NFL right now, and the Packers are right in the thick of things, the schedule being softer the rest of the way, and feeling like they can beat ANY team.

I think the Packers will get up early, like they did against Indy with much passing. The defensive plan will be to limit Foster, which they might struggle to do without Raji. Has Schaub had to play from behind much this season ? He might give up some picks playing from behind.

With all the Pack injuries, and their team not playing well, I expect the betting will be on Houston with the small 2 1/2 point spread. If that's true, than the refs will likely favor the Pack early, letting their OL get away with holds, and letting their defensive 2ndary get away with holds and PI.

Packers 38
Texans 31



RBIrving -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/11/2012 11:50:43 AM)

I simply do not believe the refs are like that. If I even suspected this were true, I'd be done with the NFL.

What's the word on Raji? Even with him I don't give the Packers much of a chance at slowing down the Texan running game, without him it will be a runaway train. I also give the Packer secondary little to no chance of covering Andre.. or anybody else for that matter.

IMO I think Houston will see this game as a chance to legitimize themselves. Doesn't matter what the records are, the Packers were the annointed team and the Texans are still out to prove themselves.

Houston 31
Green Bay 10



marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/11/2012 12:13:48 PM)

I hope you're right RBI.

I believe the regular refs ARE like that, the replacements were NOT, and that is part of why you could see a difference.

I'd like to believe the regular refs are NOT like that, but I've seen too much evidence over the years to not notice some of the patterns. When I was into betting, I used it to my advantage, and I usually had officials on my side. I realize they didn't ALWAYS do it, so you had to be careful not to rely on it too often.

There was much more money bet on the Saints against the Packers a few weeks ago, and the refs helped the Saints until the game was on the line and they took away a go ahead FG from the Saints with a rarely called holding during the FG. So there, the refs were NOT against the bettors as those with the Saints and the points (7 1/2 - 9) won their bets. I think that either that is done on purpose on occasion so it's not too predictable (so they are not ALWAYS going against the majority of bettors), or it was just a game where they were being neutral but appeared to favor the Saints with some calls that were pretty questionable. Maybe some of those calls were to just show the Packers and their fans who's in charge, and that the refs wouldn't ALWAYS be in the Packers' favor ?



RBIrving -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/11/2012 1:02:09 PM)

I hardly think you have an objective view, marty. You've already sold yourself on your sway theory and you paint the picture to agree with it.

The Saints lost because they're a crappier team than the Packers and a currently coached by their offensive line coach. They still have a good offense, but their defense is totally shot. What I saw was two teams that didn't deserve to win. It was a competitive game between two teams in free fall. The holding call was legit. Doesn't make one bit of difference on how 'rare" a call it is, it was a good call.

Winning on the road is hard in the NFL, when you take a crappy team on the road, you even have a hard time against another crappy team.



RBIrving -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/11/2012 1:07:59 PM)

Also, keep in mind, the refs are out to legitimize their existance. They got their contract because the replacements were exposed an inept. They're looking closer at everything and you'll see stuff called that might have gotten by in the past. I'm sure there are also egos out there that will leap at the chance to have an impact on the outcome. It's just not some weird conspiracy, it's just people being people.

If the FG is good and the next week is filled with replays of the missed holding call, how are they different from the replacements?



marty -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/11/2012 2:31:35 PM)

Ralph

I'm NOT sold on the 'sway' theory, I just have a little fun with it. But I DO think it's a possibility. I think you have to have an objective view to notice or to believe in the possibility that a game is 'swayed' in the first place.

Yes the holding call was legit, but I think had it NOT been called, most people (except some Packer fans) would not have noticed it, or thought it's the kind of thing that has hardly ever been called. Had it not been called, and the Saints go on to win, I think you would then have been saying the Saints are just the better team this year than the Pack, beating them on the road, and the Packers might well now be 1-4.

I wish I had thought of it before the game, as the way that game was officiated did NOT appear to be some great effort to get calls right, or show how legitimate the regular refs are. One could make a case that the really bad calls against the Packers were really poor calls, and may have been there to show people who is really in charge of the game, that there is not a darned thing Packer fans can do if a game is 'swayed' against them. But as a consolation for the week before (and so they wouldn't be tied in with the replacement refs), they call that holding call to make sure the Saints played it close but would NOT win the game.

I really think if the Saints had won the game, there would have been a mutiny with Packer fans, a boycott of home games, and a couple thousand less Packer fans would be seen on the away games. The NFL did NOT want that to happen.



J Jeffreys -> RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) (10/11/2012 9:33:27 PM)

The Redskins have a +7 turnover ratio. Number 5 in the league. I hate Shanahan. His OL and DL play legal but dirty. They go to the ground early and roll a lot. That's why his late round RB picks seem like genious selections. Few of his RB's on another team with clean line play would get the same yards.

This is a game the Vikings win only if they play clean. Turnovers and penalties will kill them. DL have to be very careful with gap disicipline. LBs need to seal the outside lanes. DBs need to be quick in run support. Missed tackles will be very costly in this game. The passing game isn't a huge concern. Fred Davis and Pierre Garcon are no better than Megatron and Pettigrew. Play the same secondary scheme and the passing game will be handled.

Not to go Greg Williams here but I'll quote Al Davis. The other team's QB must go down and he must go down hard. Shoulder hits to the body wrapping both arms if possible so when he lands he lands without his arms breaking his fall. Even a slight head bump could get him out of the game. Play smart. Play legal. But hit him every chance you get. If he's out of the pocket he's a running back.

On offense, get a TD on the first drive mixing runs and short passes, going deep if they choke the box. Then run run run. Play action passes to Rudolph. How about a few to Carlson?? A few screens to Harvin. Take a few chances deep in the right circumstances. With the lead near midfield.

The Redskins are dangerous, well-coached and playing at home. The Vikings are the better team. They should and will win if they protect the football, keep penalties low, run on offense and play disciplined gap control on D.

Vikings 27 Redskins 18



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