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Pete M. -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (12/27/2011 9:29:45 PM)

But all in all, a pretty solid performance in a tough venue. It's just tough to feel too great about a moral victory when you should have won. We've seen this kind of collapse on the road way too often under Tubby.




Dave E -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (12/27/2011 9:37:38 PM)

Far too many moral victories in that sort of setting.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (12/27/2011 10:12:46 PM)

Here's the box score:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=313610356




JT2 -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (12/27/2011 10:55:31 PM)

I'm not into moral victories. I'm not sure I fully understand what that is supposed to mean, but too bad for the Gophers tonight.
That would have been a Big Win. The loss isn't so bad though.

A bit of a choke job in regulation.

Tubby has a chance to make some noise again, if he can get this squad to compete and overachieve.




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (12/29/2011 9:47:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pete M.

But all in all, a pretty solid performance in a tough venue. It's just tough to feel too great about a moral victory when you should have won. We've seen this kind of collapse on the road way too often under Tubby.


This




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (12/29/2011 1:09:41 PM)

Collapse on the road? They came back from a pretty big deficit. Late in regulation Welch (88% FT shooter) bricked the front end of a 1 and 1 to seal the deal. At the end of the first OT Austin Hollins was fouled pretty obviously at the top of the key as time was set to expire. Leonard killed Ahanmisi (RIP) with his elbow and Mav was called for the foul.

Tough to win on the road is all I can take away, and this is a streaky team.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/1/2012 11:54:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: panndder

Collapse on the road? They came back from a pretty big deficit. Late in regulation Welch (88% FT shooter) bricked the front end of a 1 and 1 to seal the deal. At the end of the first OT Austin Hollins was fouled pretty obviously at the top of the key as time was set to expire. Leonard killed Ahanmisi (RIP) with his elbow and Mav was called for the foul.

Tough to win on the road is all I can take away, and this is a streaky team.


Was not surprised by either of those plays.

No way on the road was Hollins going to get a foul.

And Mav's play should have been a double foul.

When you're not an upper butt crust team and you're on the road, expect those kinds of hose jobs.

Unfortunately.




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/1/2012 5:10:48 PM)

I went into Big Ten play thinking they'd probably start 0-2 and it's not worth freaking out over, but it sure feels like they should have stolen one of these games.




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/2/2012 10:57:05 AM)

Interesting analysis: The Gophers have played their 14th and 15th easiest (or 4th and 5th most difficult) games of the Big Ten schedule and almost won both:
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?35030-Breaking-Down-the-Gophers-Big-Ten-Schedule&p=480408#post480408




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/2/2012 10:58:28 AM)

And I know, on some level I sound like a total homer. Realistically I think they're somewhere between a middle of the road NIT team and a NCAA team bound for a first round (old school first round, not the new fake 4 game first round) exit.




Pete M. -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/2/2012 1:57:50 PM)

Strib says Gophers haven't beaten a top 25 road team since the 1980s. Even if you take away 1997, how can this be?




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/2/2012 2:29:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Strib says Gophers haven't beaten a top 25 road team since the 1980s. Even if you take away 1997, how can this be?


Must be ignoring 93-99.




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/4/2012 9:51:45 PM)

Iowa isn't horrible this year, they're okay.

Problem is, the Gophers are merely okay as well. [:o]




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/4/2012 10:03:08 PM)

I think I figured it out: this is a bad team with flashes of brilliance. They were taking Iowa to town for most of the first half and have since disappeared.


Going to be a frustrating year.




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/4/2012 10:13:12 PM)

Totally embarrassing. Up until tonight they had only lost one game (IMO) that they "shouldn't" have lost. All faith lost now.




Pete M. -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/4/2012 10:23:05 PM)

Year 5 of Tubby and we get home losses to Iowa and one of the most pathetic zone offenses I've ever seen. Wonder who Tubby throws under the bus tonight to evade responsibility? Oh wait - it's because we don't have a practice facility. [&o]

I'm thoroughly fed up.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/5/2012 7:53:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Year 5 of Tubby and we get home losses to Iowa and one of the most pathetic zone offenses I've ever seen. Wonder who Tubby throws under the bus tonight to evade responsibility? Oh wait - it's because we don't have a practice facility. [&o]

I'm thoroughly fed up.



No clue on how to move the basketball. No one moves around. blech




Mr. Ed -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/5/2012 7:55:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Year 5 of Tubby and we get home losses to Iowa and one of the most pathetic zone offenses I've ever seen. Wonder who Tubby throws under the bus tonight to evade responsibility? Oh wait - it's because we don't have a practice facility. [&o]

I'm thoroughly fed up.



By the way


Tubby Smith's ballclub had not won a Big Ten game since it went to Iowa City on Feb. 13 and cruised to a 62-45 victory. On Wednesday night, 325 days since that victory, Iowa came to Williams Arena for a visit in which Tubby's athletes had the task of proving this was not another conference campaign headed for the doldrums.

The Gophers had opened Big Ten play with narrow losses at Illinois and at Michigan.

The expectation was the Gophers would be invigorated by a return to The Barn, where they were 10-0 in nonconference games -- mostly vs. suspect competition, but still 10-0.

There were decades when Ralph Miller, Lute Olson, George Raveling and Tom Davis brought the Hawkeyes to Minneapolis and the cheer "Let's Go Hawks" would roll down incessantly from the upper reaches of The Barn.

Those days were long gone, when Steve Alford turned this proud program in the wrong direction, and then Todd Lickliter turned Iowa basketball into a disgrace.

Lickliter was fired in 2010, with four years left on a seven-year contract, and the Hawkeyes hired Fran McCaffrey from Siena. Iowa was 11-20 in 2010-11, giving it a fourth consecutive losing season for the first time in school history.

On Saturday, the Hawkeyes came out of Wisconsin with a shocking 72-65 victory -- primarily because the Badgers went 3-for-28 from behind the three-point line.

This Big Ten home opener for the Gophers started with Iowa playing what came to be known as "Lickliter ball" to grateful opponents. The Hawkeyes were missing from all distances, getting beat off the dribble, and the Gophers led 32-21 when McCaffrey called an emergency timeout with 5:06 left in the first half.

It wouldn't be fair to say Williams Arena was rocking, because that doesn't really happen these days, but the announced crowd of 12,018 was satisfied -- with the exception of the occasional hoots aimed at Ralph Sampson III, the senior center.

The Hawkeyes went to a zone, not McCaffrey's preferred defense, but he had to do something.

The Gophers looked at the new defense as if they had been handed a pop quiz in calculus, and didn't score the rest of the half. Iowa closed with 10 in a row, and it was 32-31 at halftime.

The second half mostly belonged to Iowa -- until it missed six free throws in the final 39 seconds. The Gophers had a chance to tie before the buzzer, when Maverick Ahanmisi failed to twist in a layup.

Hawks 64, Gophers 62.

Last winter, when things turned ugly, Smith started sending arrows in the direction of Blake Hoffarber, a senior playing out of position at point guard.

Suddenly, the coach was saying that Hoffarber could not settle for jump shots but had to be more aggressive in taking the ball toward the basket. Interesting theory ... since Hoffarber's game for 3 1/2 seasons had been firing from distance with a lightning-fast trigger.

The 6-11 Sampson has been a target for The Barn's spectators for most of his time here. The fans have wanted to see power and aggression from Ralph the Third, even as it became clear his game was shooting 17-foot jumpers, playing a high-low game with the now-injured Trevor Mbakwe and blocking shots.

Moving his feet and handling the ball in traffic always have been problems for big Ralph, and they got him in trouble again Wednesday. He had six turnovers, four rebounds and missed a lone free throw in a 12-point night.

There was enough disappointment in this loss that Tubby decided to go back to slinging arrows. Two days earlier, he had offered praise for Sampson, but now he was trying to explain another loss and said of Ralph the Third:

"He has to be stronger with the ball. He has to go strong to the basket and not settle for jumpers."

Sampson has a better chance to make a jumper than to go strong through traffic to get a basket, but this was another gut-wrenching loss and Tubby needed a Hoffarber for a new winter.

When you're a coach with a big reputation and a big contract, everything is fair game -- including questioning a player who can't seem to change his game halfway through a senior season.




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/5/2012 10:27:24 AM)

yuck [:o]




TJSweens -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/5/2012 11:35:30 AM)

My nightmare scenario is on the path to coming true. Tubby will likely be gone after this year and Flip Saunders will probably get canned by Washington before the season is over. Your Gophers head coach for 2012-2013...Flip Saunders. That will guarantee several more years of poor to mediocre basketball.




panndder -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/5/2012 11:55:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

My nightmare scenario is on the path to coming true. Tubby will likely be gone after this year and Flip Saunders will probably get canned by Washington before the season is over. Your Gophers head coach for 2012-2013...Flip Saunders. That will guarantee several more years of poor to mediocre basketball.


Flip Saunders and assistant Trent Tucker may make some waves in recruiting circles...




Dave E -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/5/2012 11:59:43 AM)

I'm done with Tubby.




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/5/2012 12:08:21 PM)

Hear that




SoMnFan -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/5/2012 12:09:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: panndder

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

My nightmare scenario is on the path to coming true. Tubby will likely be gone after this year and Flip Saunders will probably get canned by Washington before the season is over. Your Gophers head coach for 2012-2013...Flip Saunders. That will guarantee several more years of poor to mediocre basketball.


Flip Saunders and assistant Trent Tucker may make some waves in recruiting circles...

Yep
Flip guy here
Should have been in college game




David Levine -> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) (1/5/2012 12:13:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

My nightmare scenario is on the path to coming true. Tubby will likely be gone after this year and Flip Saunders will probably get canned by Washington before the season is over. Your Gophers head coach for 2012-2013...Flip Saunders. That will guarantee several more years of poor to mediocre basketball.


I actually think Flip would make a much better college coach than Pro. Just like he was a much better CBA coach than NBA coach.




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