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John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/13/2009 8:35:34 PM)

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Tim Brown was interviewed on WCNN in Atlanta, and here's what he had to say about the first time he met Al Davis. "Meeting Al [Davis] was pretty unique. I found out five or ten minutes after my first practice there that he hated African-American athletes from Notre Dame. And they literally told me that. They literally told me that because we're known for using our education more than our athletic ability that he thought that I would be one of these guys that would basically take the money and run. I don't know if that was a ploy to get me amped up, but it certainly worked."




Duane Sampson -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/14/2009 11:18:32 AM)

NFLPA boss questions rookie pay criticisms 

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DeMaurice Smith (Patton and Boggs)







By Tim YotterVikingUpdate.com
Posted May 14, 2009


New NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith isn’t likely to look at reducing the rookie compensation without concessions elsewhere. He said that’s more of a matter for others to address when talking to Minnesota reporters this week.


The Minnesota Vikings’ front office usually doesn’t get serious about signing their draft picks until after the Fourth of July, but there is a topic that is gaining momentum and warranting conversations around the NFL surrounding the rookies. Their contacts are getting out of control, say some veteran players and other involved with the league.

Still, the team with the first overall pick in recent years seems to ignore the front-office battle cry to scale back the rookie pay structure. This year, first overall pick Matthew Stafford signed a six-year, $72 million contract with the Detroit Lions that could escalate to a reported $78 million with incentives. More than half of it – $41.7 million – is guaranteed … which is guaranteed to make owners around the league cringe when it comes to trying to compensate their rookies.

NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith isn’t about to bail the owners out.

“The owners sign the checks, our players don’t,” he told NFL Network on the first day of the draft. “We know the work that goes into picking the right guy. Our players know the work that goes into making a decision on how much to pay (players). That’s not a decision that lies on the players and they know that. So, in respect to a rookie (salary) cap, I am very happy with the scenario that we have now. Less than 4 percent of our total cap amount is dedicated to rookie salaries, so we do have a cap, but when the day comes that we start signing checks, then that’s when we’ll start answering those kind of questions.”

However, almost three weeks later, Smith was still answering those questions during a visit to Minnesota to talk to Vikings players and some local reporters.

“Where I start on the issues is that for every one of these players on this team, nobody signs their own check. Nobody. Nobody decided how much they are going to get paid. Nobody decided where they were going to be slotted in the draft,” Smith said. “… The one thing I never saw in one of those war rooms, I never saw players. I never saw one player, from one team, going through, ‘Man, should we pick at number one, number two, number three, number four and should it be $22, $23, $18 million?’ I never saw one player involved in that process. Why? Because they are not. The owners, the general managers, the coaches, the great scouts, those are the guys that decide what guy is right for their team and how much we’re going to pay him. So I really don’t understand why for the first time when it comes to an issue of money, why they turn to the players and say, when it comes to rookies (contracts), that’s a player’s issue. I just don’t get it.”

Stafford is expected to average $12 million to $13 million over the course of his deal. That represents about 10 percent of the Lions’ salary cap this year for one of 53 players that count against the cap – and, notably, a player that hasn’t play one down in the NFL yet. Team are allotted a certain amount of money to spend on their rookie class based on where they select in the draft, but there is little question that the salaries of the top rookies are rising dramatically.

According to Sports Illustrated, Stafford’s deal is worth 16 percent more than last year’s top pick, tackle Jake Long, and 30 percent more than 2007’s top pick, quarterback JaMarcus Russell, who is off to a less-than-stellar start to his career in Oakland.

No doubt, the topic of limiting rookie salaries will be broached when discussions between Smith and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for extending the CBA heat up in the coming months. Smith indicated he wants to be sure teams are spending close the to $127 million salary cap (minus the rookie allocations) on their veterans.

“I was just flipping through the sheet, just kind of seeing where teams match up on spending their full allotment of cap money. Because the underlying argument, of course, is if we decrease the amount of money that goes to rookies then we will take the money and pay it to vets,” Smith said. “So I just asked the simple question: ‘Are teams taking their full amount of cap funds right now and paying it all to vets right now?’ The answer is no.”

But teams are required to spend at least 87.6 percent of the salary cap. The Vikings are about $17 million under the salary cap, but that could change quickly if they were to sign Brett Favre.

“All I’m saying is the argument about decreasing the amount of money that goes to rookies is predicated on an assumption that the owners would take the remaining money and pay it to the vets,” Smith said. “My only observation that I’ve got now is that nobody does it now anyway. So not only is it odd that the first time anybody wants to come to the players to talk about money is with respect to a rookie rate scale; but second, you don’t use all the money to pay to the vets now, so what makes us think you would do it then? I’m just asking a question.”

That’s something the league will have to answer when negotiations intensify. For now, there are plenty of veterans who would like to see their own union take a look at the issue, too.




Duane Sampson -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/15/2009 8:24:02 AM)

Chad Johnson = Ochocinco on Back of Jersey
Thu May 14, 2009

AP reports the NFL had agreed to let the player formerly known as WR Chad Johnson wear his new name on the back of his jersey this season. There's one catch for the receiver: It's not exactly how he wanted it. Instead of Ocho Cinco, he'll be "Ochocinco" because that's how he wrote it when he submitted his name-change form last August in Florida. "It's his legal name," AFC information manager Corry Rush said Thursday. The receiver said last year that he wanted his name to be "Ocho Cinco." Neither he nor his agent returned phone messages Thursday to discuss the name being one word instead of two. Shirts and other gear are selling on his Web site under the "Ocho Cinco" name.



I think I'll change my name and then spell it wrong on the form. [&:] [&:] [&:] [&:] [&:]

What a dumbass. [&:]




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/15/2009 8:40:23 AM)

Hey, that's how Oprah was named!

Her mother tried to give her the Orpah, which apparently is a biblical name, but she misspelled it on the birth certificate.

Life is full of slappies! (Quote from Jeff George)




Duane Sampson -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/15/2009 8:42:58 AM)

I always that she was named after Harpo Marx.

Now I can sleep. [:D]




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/15/2009 8:57:00 AM)

Imagine if the name Orpah had stuck? When she tried to flip it backwards to name her production company it would have come out as

Hapro productions

Just doesn't quite have the same panache.




Duane Sampson -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/15/2009 8:58:22 AM)

didn't change her company to Harpoon for a while during the "weight" years? [&:]




Trekgeekscott -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/15/2009 9:05:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Duane Sampson

Chad Johnson = Ochocinco on Back of Jersey
Thu May 14, 2009

AP reports the NFL had agreed to let the player formerly known as WR Chad Johnson wear his new name on the back of his jersey this season. There's one catch for the receiver: It's not exactly how he wanted it. Instead of Ocho Cinco, he'll be "Ochocinco" because that's how he wrote it when he submitted his name-change form last August in Florida. "It's his legal name," AFC information manager Corry Rush said Thursday. The receiver said last year that he wanted his name to be "Ocho Cinco." Neither he nor his agent returned phone messages Thursday to discuss the name being one word instead of two. Shirts and other gear are selling on his Web site under the "Ocho Cinco" name.



I think I'll change my name and then spell it wrong on the form. [&:] [&:] [&:] [&:] [&:]

What a dumbass. [&:]


Seriously, I hope he ends up on a team where he can't get the number 85 someday.




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/15/2009 9:08:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Duane Sampson

didn't change her company to Harpoon for a while during the "weight" years? [&:]


I hate to add to the buffoonery - but isn't EVERY year a "weight" year?
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Tim Cady -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/15/2009 11:01:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Duane Sampson

Chad Johnson = Ochocinco on Back of Jersey
Thu May 14, 2009

AP reports the NFL had agreed to let the player formerly known as WR Chad Johnson wear his new name on the back of his jersey this season. There's one catch for the receiver: It's not exactly how he wanted it. Instead of Ocho Cinco, he'll be "Ochocinco" because that's how he wrote it when he submitted his name-change form last August in Florida. "It's his legal name," AFC information manager Corry Rush said Thursday. The receiver said last year that he wanted his name to be "Ocho Cinco." Neither he nor his agent returned phone messages Thursday to discuss the name being one word instead of two. Shirts and other gear are selling on his Web site under the "Ocho Cinco" name.



I think I'll change my name and then spell it wrong on the form. [&:] [&:] [&:] [&:] [&:]

What a dumbass. [&:]


Seriously, I hope he ends up on a team where he can't get the number 85 someday.


[&:]


Even better how would you like to be the Slappie with #85 on a team that he shows up for? Especially if you were good enough to make the team and wasn't in love with the number? You would have Ochocinco paying for your children's college.

Now for the big picture view:

Who will buy his damn jersey again this year? Maybe this is what the commissioner wants. Last year I am sure they didn't sell because people knew he changed his name, now it is one word versus two, so you have to suspect he will change the form for the 2010 season, as much of a dumbass as Chad is, the league could be less dicks about it. They are actually hurting their own product sales to mess with the mental moron. Of course Chad started this, and I am sure he has hurt his own product sales. If I were Reebok or whoever has the contract, I would just date his jerseys year by year and put them on clearance every Christmas.

I have said it before, I don't like Goodell's NFL.




Tim Cady -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/15/2009 11:16:51 AM)

Trouble in Indy - Tom Moore has filed his retirement papers, due to a change that he doesn't like in the pension plan. His Oline coach is gone too. Many of us have brought up over the years that Peyton has been so fortunate to have been able to play for the same Offensive coordinator his entire career. Tom Moore's numbers since 1998. #1 in all the key categories for offense. That is an 11 years average. I got this off of NFL Network.

I will be entertained to see how this effects Peyton. I think that he will be fine because of having the security blanket all these years, taught him how to be the best quarterback he could be.

You have to figure we have seen the best of Peyton and this officially starts his path down the mountain.




Duane Sampson -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/16/2009 4:50:13 PM)

    Corey McIntyre Arrested
    Fri May 15, 2009

    AP reports Buffalo Bills FB Corey McIntyre was arrested Thursday, accused of masturbating outside a local woman's house two months ago, according to officials and police records released Friday. He faces a misdemeanor exposure of sexual organs charge following the March 20 incident in Port St. Lucie. Arrested Thursday night, McIntyre, whose address is listed in Indiantown, was released from the Martin County Jail on $10,000 bail, a jail official said Friday.


    The master of his domain.. [&:]




thebigo -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/16/2009 6:02:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

Trouble in Indy - Tom Moore has filed his retirement papers, due to a change that he doesn't like in the pension plan. His Oline coach is gone too. Many of us have brought up over the years that Peyton has been so fortunate to have been able to play for the same Offensive coordinator his entire career. Tom Moore's numbers since 1998. #1 in all the key categories for offense. That is an 11 years average. I got this off of NFL Network.

I will be entertained to see how this effects Peyton. I think that he will be fine because of having the security blanket all these years, taught him how to be the best quarterback he could be.

You have to figure we have seen the best of Peyton and this officially starts his path down the mountain.


Sooooo, which one is it?




Tim Cady -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/16/2009 6:27:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

Trouble in Indy - Tom Moore has filed his retirement papers, due to a change that he doesn't like in the pension plan. His Oline coach is gone too. Many of us have brought up over the years that Peyton has been so fortunate to have been able to play for the same Offensive coordinator his entire career. Tom Moore's numbers since 1998. #1 in all the key categories for offense. That is an 11 years average. I got this off of NFL Network.

I will be entertained to see how this effects Peyton. I think that he will be fine because of having the security blanket all these years, taught him how to be the best quarterback he could be.

You have to figure we have seen the best of Peyton and this officially starts his path down the mountain.


Sooooo, which one is it?



Both I think he will be fine but his best season is behind him!




Don T in CO -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 9:52:54 AM)

This will make a lot of you happy (and me too)!


Kornheiser leaves MNF
May 18th, 2009 – 9:45 AM by Judd Zulgad

This isn’t Vikings related but football fans certainly had an opinion about Kornheiser. 
Tony Kornheiser won’t be returning to the “Monday Night Football” booth for a fourth season.
ESPN announced this morning that former Oakland and Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden will join play-by-play man Mike Tirico and analyst Ron Jaworski in September. According to a story on ESPN’s website, Kornheiser “decided to step down.” Kornheiser was a longtime sports columnist for the Washington Post and has gained fame in recent years as co-host of ESPN’s popular “Pardon the Interruption” show with Michael Wilbon.
“This is a tremendous opportunity and I am very excited to be associated with ESPN and Monday Night Football,” Gruden said in a statement released by ESPN. “I grew up a fan of Monday Night Football, and whether I’ve coached on Monday night or watched, I’ve hardly missed a game all these years. To join Mike and Jaws in the booth and to work alongside this top-notch team is going to be a real thrill.”




Jim Frenette -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 11:03:35 AM)

That is good news Don, but still why the need for a third person in the booth?




Trekgeekscott -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 11:12:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

That is good news Don, but still why the need for a third person in the booth?


Well it worked for MNF in the 70s with Don Meredith, Howard Cossell and Frank Gifford.  And then ESPN had Sunday Night Football which carried three in the booth.  When they took it over, they thought they could make it work again...but like ABC trying Dennis Miller, ESPN tried Tony Kornheiser.  Both were abyssmal failures.  The sad thing is a good color man like Dan Fouts was dragged down WITH Dennis Miller...He should be brought back.  And paired with ONLY a play by play guy.  They really don't need three.  The best duo historically was Summeral/Madden...they need to find another pairing like them.




Tim Cady -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 11:51:05 AM)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txfbnmondaynightfootba&prov=st&type=lgns

BRISTOL, CONN. (AP) —Former Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden is replacing Tony Kornheiser on ESPN’s Monday Night Football broadcast team.
The network said Monday that Gruden will be in the booth with Mike Tirico and Ron Jaworski when the show starts its 40th season this fall.
Kornheiser cited a fear of flying in his decision to leave after three years.
Gruden led the Bucs to the 2003 Super Bowl title and was fired after this past season. He worked as a guest analyst this year with the NFL Network during the draft and scouting combine.
He will debut with ESPN with a preseason game Aug. 13, a Super Bowl rematch between the Arizona Cardinals and Pittsburgh Steelers.

Should read - Kornheiser cited a fear of sucking in his decision to leave after three years. [8D][&:]

Gruden was great on NFL Network during the draft, now if we could just get Jaws to shut up.[;)]




Tim Cady -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 11:59:25 AM)

The best duo historically was Summeral/Madden...they need to find another pairing like them. - TGS
 
I agree Scott
 
Gruden will be awesome in my estimation and the guy I think could be his Summeral would be - Mike Myock.
 
 






Lynn G. -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 4:10:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

Should read - Kornheiser cited a fear of sucking in his decision to leave after three years. [8D][&:]



Oops. Too late.

I don't believe for one minute that he stepped down on his own. I personally have sent ESPN three e-mails BEGGING them to take him out of the booth - and I'm sure tens of thousands of other people have done the same.

He wasn't just awful in the booth. He was downright wretched.




Don T in CO -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 4:15:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

Should read - Kornheiser cited a fear of sucking in his decision to leave after three years. [8D][&:]



Oops. Too late.

I don't believe for one minute that he stepped down on his own. I personally have sent ESPN three e-mails BEGGING them to take him out of the booth - and I'm sure tens of thousands of other people have done the same.

He wasn't just awful in the booth. He was downright wretched.


Thanks Lynn, it appears your diligence has finally paid off!




So.Mn.Fan -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 5:02:59 PM)

I've never been bothered by Kornheiser.
He is what he is.
Love his work on PTI.
Dennis Miller didn't even bother me.
They provide filler. I think we all think we know more than anyone they'll put in there.
The only "announcers" left that I really think will educate me are a couple ex-players or coaches.
Michaels and his type are simply the noise that keeps the game flowing to me.
Guys like Collinsworth or Aikman or Schlereth are great imo. Gruden has the potential to be good at it.
I want one guy telling me what/where/when, and one guy telling me inside insight from the perspective of "having done it". They don't need any more than that.
Dandy Don was what I grew up on, he was a combo of all of them ... smart-ass/insider/expert. He set the bar wayyy too high for any other 3rd wheel to top, imo.  




Lynn G. -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 5:16:05 PM)

Scott,

I never minded Kornheiser on PTI either - but in the booth for MNF he was a droning, overly melodramatic, syrupy thick massive hunk of self-inflated ego. Oh man - could that guy go on for 10 minutes on something that the rest of us could say in 37 seconds.

I'm not even looking for education - I just don't want him sending me to the shower to wash off the molasses-thick layer of schmalz and drama he lays on us.

Just thinking about it makes me want to get a scraper.




Tim Cady -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/18/2009 10:08:38 PM)

I liked Dennis Miller, I just wish they would have had Madden at the time. Miller could have adlibbed off Madden all night.

I am with Lynn, TK just droned(great word) on and on to the point I had to turn the sound down.

I agree with TGS Fouts was good, he and Miller just had no chemistry. It was obvious Fouts didn't like or think he belonged.




John Childress -> RE: RE:NFL News (5/19/2009 7:14:37 AM)

Dennis Miller and Tony Kornheiser were two of the worst announcers ever to destroy a football game.

Not only were they irritating, but their football knowledge was very weak. Miller clearly was given stuff to read that he didn't write because frequently he didn't even pronounce the words properly!

Kornheiser is all noise and is very limited on real football insight. He is nothing more than a limited knowledge blowhard.

Get rid of the "jackass" approach to announcing and return to real football insight from people like a Hank Stram type. Gruden is a great choice IF he chooses to give honest commentary and not coachspeak.




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