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Steve Lentz -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 5:49:03 AM)

[quote="Andy Lowe"][quote="Steve Lentz"][quote="Andy Lowe"]I see Teddy Ginn got untracked today.[/quote] Please don't interrupt my play by play Andy. :D[/quote] The whole media thing now sucking up to Moss is a freaking joke, these guys should be embarrased of themselves. When he was in Minnesota, he was public enemy number 1, now it's "he's the smartest player I've ever been around", "Randy's a gerat teammate".........drives me freaking nuts.[/quote] Sure did a complete makeover didn't he. I wonder if the media realizes how ignorant they sound.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 2:13:22 PM)

Owens really exposed the 2 deep safety defense.




Cheesehead Craig -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 3:36:24 PM)

Anyone else surprised that Kurt Warner has a better QB rating than Peyton Manning?




Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 3:45:41 PM)

[quote="Steve Lentz"][quote="Andy Lowe"][quote="Steve Lentz"][quote="Andy Lowe"]I see Teddy Ginn got untracked today.[/quote] Please don't interrupt my play by play Andy. :D[/quote] The whole media thing now sucking up to Moss is a freaking joke, these guys should be embarrased of themselves. When he was in Minnesota, he was public enemy number 1, now it's "he's the smartest player I've ever been around", "Randy's a gerat teammate".........drives me freaking nuts.[/quote] Sure did a complete makeover didn't he. I wonder if the media realizes how ignorant they sound.[/quote] You're kidding right? These guys make statements like politicians...believing that no one will ever remember the BS they spewed forth not that long ago.




Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 3:48:12 PM)

[quote="John Childress"]Owens really exposed the 2 deep safety defense.[/quote] well without Sean Taylor back there...you aren't going to get the same level of play. The defense would have worked but the Cowboys manipulated those safeties into being out of position frequently. It really wasn't Owens. It was a good gameplan well executed by the entire Cowboys offense. I for one am rooting for Garrett to get a HC job soon (maybe somewhere in the upper MidWest?).




Andy Lowe -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 3:50:27 PM)

[quote="Cheesehead Craig"]Anyone else surprised that Kurt Warner has a better QB rating than Peyton Manning?[/quote] Not me. I think people completely overvalue the QB position in the NFL. Don't get me wrong there are some bad ones, but often times QB play is a function of the team around the QB It's all about the OL and weapons you have. Warner has 2 all world receivers and 1 very good receiver, and a pretty good TE. Manning's LT is out, and he's down to street FA WRs. Look at Favre until this year, crappy receivers, now they have the WR corp built up again and a decent OL, he's able to put up numbers again. People want to give Brady the MVP.....please.....the 2 highest scoring offenses in NFL history.....who's the common denominator. Brady would probably have half the TDs he has right now if he didn't have Moss.




Andy Lowe -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 3:52:06 PM)

[quote="Trekgeekscott"][quote="John Childress"]Owens really exposed the 2 deep safety defense.[/quote] well without Sean Taylor back there...you aren't going to get the same level of play. The defense would have worked but the Cowboys manipulated those safeties into being out of position frequently. It really wasn't Owens. It was a good gameplan well executed by the entire Cowboys offense. I for one am rooting for Garrett to get a HC job soon (maybe somewhere in the upper MidWest?).[/quote] I thought Landry was the most overrated player in this past year's draft. He can't defend the pass to save his life. I liked Reggie Nelson way better, and he's completely outplayed Landry.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 4:20:44 PM)

[quote="Andy Lowe"][quote="Cheesehead Craig"]Anyone else surprised that Kurt Warner has a better QB rating than Peyton Manning? Not me. I think people completely overvalue the QB position in the NFL. Don't get me wrong there are some bad ones, but often times QB play is a function of the team around the QB It's all about the OL and weapons you have. Warner has 2 all world receivers and 1 very good receiver, and a pretty good TE. Manning's LT is out, and he's down to street FA WRs. Look at Favre until this year, crappy receivers, now they have the WR corp built up again and a decent OL, he's able to put up numbers again. People want to give Brady the MVP.....please.....the 2 highest scoring offenses in NFL history.....who's the common denominator. Brady would probably have half the TDs he has right now if he didn't have Moss. Great posts today Andy I agree about Nelson and I also agree about OL + WRs = good QB ratings! Brady is 40 points higher than his best year ever!
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The Patriots put up eight touchdowns against the Bills with Tom Brady throwing for five of them. Brady now has three five-TD games to tie a single-season record and join the likes of Daunte Culpepper and Peyton Manning.
2 of the 3 had Moss and the other guy had Harrison and Wayne in their primes. Look at Romo with Owens. Moss when he is healthy and used right is the biggest difference maker that I have ever seen in football.




Cheesehead Craig -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 5:06:28 PM)

[quote="Andy Lowe"][quote="Cheesehead Craig"]Anyone else surprised that Kurt Warner has a better QB rating than Peyton Manning?[/quote] Not me. I think people completely overvalue the QB position in the NFL. Don't get me wrong there are some bad ones, but often times QB play is a function of the team around the QB It's all about the OL and weapons you have. Warner has 2 all world receivers and 1 very good receiver, and a pretty good TE. Manning's LT is out, and he's down to street FA WRs. Look at Favre until this year, crappy receivers, now they have the WR corp built up again and a decent OL, he's able to put up numbers again. People want to give Brady the MVP.....please.....the 2 highest scoring offenses in NFL history.....who's the common denominator. Brady would probably have half the TDs he has right now if he didn't have Moss.[/quote] I absolutely agree that the supporting cast makes a big difference. I am more surprised how badly Manning is playing. In that offense, even with lesser WRs, he's making poor decisions this past month. The perfect case in point of having a good OL equal good QB play is Cleveland. They gave up 44 sacks last year, this year they have only given up 10 so far. Look at what Cleveland has been able to accomplish with a less heralded QB when he doesn't have to run for his life so often.




Rob Viking -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 6:00:44 PM)

[quote="Cheesehead Craig"][quote="Andy Lowe"][quote="Cheesehead Craig"]Anyone else surprised that Kurt Warner has a better QB rating than Peyton Manning?[/quote] Not me. I think people completely overvalue the QB position in the NFL. Don't get me wrong there are some bad ones, but often times QB play is a function of the team around the QB It's all about the OL and weapons you have. Warner has 2 all world receivers and 1 very good receiver, and a pretty good TE. Manning's LT is out, and he's down to street FA WRs. Look at Favre until this year, crappy receivers, now they have the WR corp built up again and a decent OL, he's able to put up numbers again. People want to give Brady the MVP.....please.....the 2 highest scoring offenses in NFL history.....who's the common denominator. Brady would probably have half the TDs he has right now if he didn't have Moss.[/quote] I absolutely agree that the supporting cast makes a big difference. I am more surprised how badly Manning is playing. In that offense, even with lesser WRs, he's making poor decisions this past month. The perfect case in point of having a good OL equal good QB play is Cleveland. They gave up 44 sacks last year, this year they have only given up 10 so far. Look at what Cleveland has been able to accomplish with a less heralded QB when he doesn't have to run for his life so often.[/quote] Or a QB that can get rid of the ball. Anderson gets the ball out quickly something that Frye was terrible at. They do have a much improved O-line, Joe Thomas has been great you never hear his name during the game which is always a good sign for a lineman.




Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 6:13:06 PM)

[quote="Steve Lentz"]Moss with his 4th touchdown. Ball was meant for Welker but Moss out jumped him.[/quote] After that 4th TD, I thought of the 4 TO had and can imagine Randy and Brady decided they wouldn't let him upstage them so they went and equalled it.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 6:17:37 PM)

[quote="Jim Frenette"][quote="Steve Lentz"]Moss with his 4th touchdown. Ball was meant for Welker but Moss out jumped him.[/quote] After that 4th TD, I thought of the 4 TO had and can imagine Randy and Brady decided they wouldn't let him upstage them so they went and equalled it.[/quote] In a half!




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 6:21:55 PM)

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/79495




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 6:22:11 PM)

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/79495




Russell Timmons -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:12:28 PM)

From Peter King... With the way the 49ers are playing, and because it looks like St. Louis and the Jets will both finish with better records than the Niners, I could see New England holding the second pick in the April draft, courtesy of the trade last draft day that sent the 49ers' first-round choice in 2008 to New England. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/11/18/week11/7.htm It really is amazing to think these guys might have the opportunity to get one of the best players coming out in the draft.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:15:59 PM)

Reminds me of the time the Lakers won the NBA title and then added James Worthy!




Guest -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:20:47 PM)

[quote="Russell Timmons"]Fro Peter King... With the way the 49ers are playing, and because it looks like St. Louis and the Jets will both finish with better records than the Niners, I could see New England holding the second pick in the April draft, courtesy of the trade last draft day that sent the 49ers' first-round choice in 2008 to New England. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/11/18/week11/7.htm It really is amazing to think these guys might have the opportunity to get one of the best players coming out in the draft.[/quote] *************************************************** It will be interesting to see who they select. I can't see them taking Jake Long, and obviously they won't take a QB. McFadden is a possibility. Obviously they don't need much on the offense, maybe they go with one of the linebackers, possibly Quentin Groves, from Auburn, or Conner from PSU.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:25:26 PM)

I say they trade down, get multiple picks, re-stock the defense




Trekgeekscott -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:25:27 PM)

[quote="Pete C"][quote="Russell Timmons"]Fro Peter King... With the way the 49ers are playing, and because it looks like St. Louis and the Jets will both finish with better records than the Niners, I could see New England holding the second pick in the April draft, courtesy of the trade last draft day that sent the 49ers' first-round choice in 2008 to New England. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/11/18/week11/7.htm It really is amazing to think these guys might have the opportunity to get one of the best players coming out in the draft.[/quote] *************************************************** It will be interesting to see who they select. I can't see them taking Jake Long, and obviously they won't take a QB. McFadden is a possibility. Obviously they don't need much on the offense, maybe they go with one of the linebackers, possibly Quentin Groves, from Auburn, or Conner from PSU.[/quote] Why not take a QB? a QB could sit and learn for years under Brady and be the clear heir apparent, If Brady gets hurt...which if they keep running up the score on people...




Guest -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:28:49 PM)

[quote="John Childress"]I say they trade down, get multiple picks, re-stock the defense[/quote] *************************************************** If they keep that offense intact and add some speed on D, then it will get REALLY scary.




Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:35:27 PM)

[quote="John Childress"]I say they trade down, get multiple picks, re-stock the defense[/quote] I do to as they don't like to spend big $ on individual players. We keep seeing players leaving that want more money and players coming in willing to take less like Randy.




So.Mn.Fan -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:50:01 PM)

Reusse brings back some old Raiduh memories .... Dick Schaap had an ABC camera in tow and was working the interview rooms at the Super Bowl in January 1984. The Washington Redskins were available first to the media on this Wednesday, and then the Raiders. Schaap approached a table where Raiders linebacker Matt Millen was being interviewed by several sportswriters. The gentlemanly Schaap waited for a pause in the conversation, then put a microphone near Millen and said: "Washington's Russ Grimm said he would run over his mother to win this game. What would you do to win this game?" Immediately, Millen said, "I would run over Russ Grimm's mother, too." Schaap took away the microphone, nodded and said: "Thank you, Matt. That's exactly what I was hoping you would say." The '84 appearance was the second in four Super Bowls for the Raiders. They were the Oakland Raiders in defeating Philadelphia 27-10 in New Orleans on Jan. 25, 1981, and the Los Angeles Raiders in defeating Washington 38-9 in Tampa on Jan. 22, 1984. Long-standing fans remember those Raiders for dominant victories as underdogs to NFC opponents. Long-serving reporters remember those Raiders as the athletes who made writing the week of pregame stories more fun than Red Rooster Day in Dassel. On the day he gave Schaap that appreciated one-liner, Millen had several other notable comments, including this description of the Raiders defense: "We use the three P's -- punching, pushing and pointing." The 1983 Raiders had made the postseason trip to the Super Bowl by defeating Seattle in the AFC title game. Now, they were getting ready to face John Riggins running behind Washington's Hogs. They had a 37-35 loss to the Redskins during the regular season. "When you tackle [Seattle's] Curt Warner, he moans and groans and sounds like he's never going to get up," Millen said. "Riggins doesn't make a sound when you hit him. The one thing I hope is that this time he brushes his teeth before the game." Millen also went on to say how much he preferred his hometown of Hokendauqua, Pa., to the maze of homes and people in Los Angeles. "Back home, I can wake up in the morning, walk out the back door and relieve myself in the great outdoors, and nobody is going to notice," Millen said. "I know that to be true because I've done it quite often." Another superstar of the Raiders interview room in January 1984 was Lyle Alzado. He was a wacked-out defensive end who found late-career refuge with Al Davis' Raiders. "I grew up in the streets of Brooklyn and wound up in a lot of fights," Alzado said. "I didn't kill anybody, but I was in a gang. My gang used to be called the Paragons. Now it's the Raiders." Howie Long was the star defensive end on that team. Asked about his team's police escorts to practice in the Tampa area, he said: "It's nice. The police are usually chasing the Raiders." John Matuszak was the predecessor to Alzado with the '80 Raiders -- a gigantic, goofy defensive end at the end of his career. He also was known to hear police sirens. Matuszak allowed a New York Times reporter to follow him on his rounds of Oakland bars a week before the Raiders left for New Orleans. The Tooz had an attractive lady on his arm. In one establishment, a steady line of women approached him, offering phone numbers and memorable companionship. His date watched this for a while, then cursed and stormed out of the bar. Matuszak shrugged toward the Timesman and said, "Women have a tendency to get uptight and possessive when they go cruisin' with the Tooz." During Super Bowl week, Matuszak held court for large groups of reporters. In college, he was thrown out of Missouri (then coached by Dan Devine) and wound up playing at the University of Tampa. "I knew we were in trouble when Devine said he talked to God that morning and felt confident we could beat Notre Dame," Matuszak said. "Tell me: How can you expect God to help you beat Notre Dame? "He didn't. We lost by two touchdowns." Matuszak died June 17, 1989, of heart failure that was said to have a possible link to drug and steroid use. Alzado died May 14, 1992, of a brain tumor, which he publicly stated he believed stemmed from heavy steroid use. Sad ends, but Alzado, the Tooz and the Davis Raiders of yore were more than a hoot to cover at Super Bowls.




Cheesehead Craig -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:57:14 PM)

[quote="John Childress"] Moss when he is healthy and used right is the biggest difference maker that I have ever seen in football.[/quote] +1 The guy is so damn good. To me, he's still the real MVP this year.




John Childress -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 7:59:41 PM)

What a sad story. Those guys from the 70s and early 80s gave their bodies, literally, to the NFL. While they produced the greatest games of all time, so many of them died early or are broken-down. "TAMPA, Fla. -- Andre Waters, a defensive back who spent most of his 12 seasons in the NFL with the Philadelphia Eagles, was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound early Monday. He was 44. Allen Kee/WireImage.com Andre Waters played for the Philadelphia Eagles from 1984-1993. His body was found at about 1:30 a.m. at his Tampa home, the medical examiner's office said. He had shot himself in the head. Toxicology reports were ordered and results will be available in four to six weeks, the office said. Waters' body was found by his girlfriend, Hillsborough County sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter said. The woman's name was not available, and the sheriff's office had no further details, Carter added. "What a devastating piece of news," Eagles radio voice Merrill Reese said in a statement on the team's Web site. "Andre was a guy who could light up a room with his personality. As a football player, he came from nothing. But he made himself into a fine player by working hard and dedicating himself to the game." "




djskillz -> RE:NFL News (11/19/2007 8:48:10 PM)

[quote="Pete C"][quote="John Childress"]I say they trade down, get multiple picks, re-stock the defense[/quote] *************************************************** If they keep that offense intact and add some speed on D, then it will get REALLY scary.[/quote] You know they'd love to improve that LB corp. Either way they are WELL set. Either they add McFadden and have REALLY the best offense ever. Or they trade down and get 2 young starting LB's to replace the old guys. We really could see them go TWO years undefeated if they keep Moss.




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