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Cheesehead Craig -> RE:NFL News (12/7/2007 9:40:19 PM)

One of my friends is in a league where he had Garcia at QB for his fantasy team. He thought Garcia would be out this week and his 2 backups are... you guessed it, Campbell and Grossman. He was agonizing over the decision yesterday of which one to play. This was for his first round of the playoffs too. I just laughed at his luck when I saw the recap and box scores of the game.



Rob Viking -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 2:22:26 AM)

[quote="Trekgeekscott"]And now Peter King at SI is picking the Steelers to win over the Pats. "Five reasons: 1. A.J. Feeley and Kyle Boller have put up 52 points on the Patriots the last two weeks; Ben Roethlisberger won't maKe the kind of late-game mistakes those two backups did. 2. Brian Westbrook and Willis McGahee have rushed for 190 yards on the Pats the last two weeks. I'm not in love with Willie Parker's recent rushing numbers -- 52, 81 and 87 yards, against three straight sub-.500 teams -- but I think the Patriots will be vulnerable against a power running game. 3. Pats are tired after three straight night games, including the emotional Monday-nighter in frigid Baltimore. Bill Belichick didn't even practice them Wednesday, an incredible rarity with a Sunday game upcoming. 4. Hines Ward's will to win. The dude leads the league in it. 5. Just a gut feeling. The strain of going for perfection seems to be wearing on New England, while Pittsburgh is just bullyish enough not to fear the enormity of Sunday's stage." This is a guy that picked a Mike Tice run team to play in the SB a couple of years ago. and Picked the Saints to go there this year. I smell a Patriots 45, Steelers 10 shellacking coming.[/quote] Some of these guys just to tilt to one side so heavily they completely forget what the other team has done. The Pats have dominated teams at home except the Eagles, the Patriots own the Steelers recently, Brady can beat the blitz as well as anyone, Willie Parker and the O-Line haven't done anything to warrant them having a power run game (still hanging on to past memories), and the Steelers have looked terrible recently scoring 16, 3, & 24 points against teams that the Pats put up 38, 48 & 34 points respectively.



Cheesehead Craig -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:14:54 AM)

[quote="Rob Viking"][quote="Trekgeekscott"]And now Peter King at SI is picking the Steelers to win over the Pats. "Five reasons: 1. A.J. Feeley and Kyle Boller have put up 52 points on the Patriots the last two weeks; Ben Roethlisberger won't maKe the kind of late-game mistakes those two backups did. 2. Brian Westbrook and Willis McGahee have rushed for 190 yards on the Pats the last two weeks. I'm not in love with Willie Parker's recent rushing numbers -- 52, 81 and 87 yards, against three straight sub-.500 teams -- but I think the Patriots will be vulnerable against a power running game. 3. Pats are tired after three straight night games, including the emotional Monday-nighter in frigid Baltimore. Bill Belichick didn't even practice them Wednesday, an incredible rarity with a Sunday game upcoming. 4. Hines Ward's will to win. The dude leads the league in it. 5. Just a gut feeling. The strain of going for perfection seems to be wearing on New England, while Pittsburgh is just bullyish enough not to fear the enormity of Sunday's stage." This is a guy that picked a Mike Tice run team to play in the SB a couple of years ago. and Picked the Saints to go there this year. I smell a Patriots 45, Steelers 10 shellacking coming.[/quote] Some of these guys just to tilt to one side so heavily they completely forget what the other team has done. The Pats have dominated teams at home except the Eagles, the Patriots own the Steelers recently, Brady can beat the blitz as well as anyone, Willie Parker and the O-Line haven't done anything to warrant them having a power run game (still hanging on to past memories), and the Steelers have looked terrible recently scoring 16, 3, & 24 points against teams that the Pats put up 38, 48 & 34 points respectively.[/quote] I'm giving the Steelers a bit of a pass on their last couple of games. They played in some real shitty weather and field conditions lately. I have a hard time believing anyone would have scored a lot of points in those games.



Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 5:49:18 PM)

Yesterday the announcements of fines came out. I think the NFL now stands for "National Fine League" the way they are doing things this year. 3 Ravens were fined for integrity of officials. Where is the penalty to the ref for calling Rolle a "boy"? These things should go both ways.



Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:10:28 PM)

Jim, All it said was that the officials were "cleared" of the charges against them. It basically came down to a he said/he said deal, and it sounds like the league believed the officials and not the players. I know there isn't any way to chart this, but I'd be curious to know if there have been more complaints about officiating in recent years compared to the decades before. Probably not. It's just that the recent stuff is fresh in our minds.



thebigo -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:17:32 PM)

[quote="Lynn G."]Jim, All it said was that the officials were "cleared" of the charges against them. It basically came down to a he said/he said deal, and it sounds like the league believed the officials and not the players. I know there isn't any way to chart this, but I'd be curious to know if there have been more complaints about officiating in recent years compared to the decades before. Probably not. It's just that the recent stuff is fresh in our minds.[/quote] Very possibly there is video/audio evidence that may have been used to help sort this out. Lot's of video/audio recording going on at NFL games.



Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:18:29 PM)

Good point O.



Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:23:00 PM)

There was a similar situation in Baseball this year where a ump dissed a player and the player got in his face. The ump ended up being suspended.



Guest -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:25:49 PM)

Imaginary scenario: After a play by the patriots some official says: "boy, you guys should know you can't hold a guy 13 yards down field like that in a close game" ( throws a flag for holding...) Ravens player: "BOY?? BOY??!!??? WHO YOU CALLIN A BOY!!!! (Stomp and WHINE like a little girl not getting a pony for Christmas....) throws flag into stands.... REF: Boy, that was uncalled for , 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct... Ravens player: BOY!!??!!?? BOY!!!! you !@$@%^%#$%@$@$%$@# How dare you use the word boy in my presence!!!! I'm telling daddy Roger on you.... whine, whine, whine.... :lol: Easily one of the LAMEST excuses for losing I have ever heard....



thebigo -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:30:41 PM)

[quote="Jim Frenette"]There was a similar situation in Baseball this year where a ump dissed a player and the player got in his face. The ump ended up being suspended.[/quote] How about Joey Crawford challenging the "Big Fundamental" to a fight last season? :lol:



Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:31:31 PM)

Still these fines are getting out of hand. If a player gets a penalty for a late hit on a QB, not only is it a 15 yarder, but a $15,000 fine. IMO, this is getting excessive.



Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:32:21 PM)

[quote="thebigo"][quote="Jim Frenette"]There was a similar situation in Baseball this year where a ump dissed a player and the player got in his face. The ump ended up being suspended.[/quote] How about Joey Crawford challenging the "Big Fundamental" to a fight last season? :lol:[/quote] Yea and he was suspended. Good one Todd.



thebigo -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:33:37 PM)

[quote="Jim Frenette"]Still these fines are getting out of hand. If a player gets a penalty for a late hit on a QB, not only is it a 15 yarder, but a $15,000 fine. IMO, this is getting excessive.[/quote] I'm practically of the mind that players should just hammer the QBs, because you're gonna get flagged either way.



Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:44:05 PM)

[quote="thebigo"][quote="Jim Frenette"]Still these fines are getting out of hand. If a player gets a penalty for a late hit on a QB, not only is it a 15 yarder, but a $15,000 fine. IMO, this is getting excessive.[/quote] I'm practically of the mind that players should just hammer the QBs, because you're gonna get flagged either way.[/quote] I feel that way too. You might as well get your moneys worth.



Lynn G. -> RE:NFL News (12/8/2007 6:58:33 PM)

Did we ever hear the results of Udeze's appeal on his fine for jumping over Favre?



Duane Sampson -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 6:00:59 PM)

Udeze's appeal hasn't been reviewed yet. Udeze's Appeal of Fine to be Heard Tuesday -- The Pioneer Press reports Minnesota Vikings DE Kenechi Udeze said his appeal of a $7,500 NFL fine for a hit to the head of Green Bay QB Brett Favre is scheduled to be heard Tuesday.



Duane Sampson -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 6:01:26 PM)

Mario Williams Pick Looking Better and Better Sun Dec 9, 2007 The Chicago Sun-Times reports Houston Texans DE Mario Williams has 8.5 sacks so far this season, second only to Chiefs DE Jared Allen. Williams was the top pick in the 2006 draft, which caused much ridicule for a team that passed on RB Reggie Bush. Was it the right choice? Bush has struggled in his second year, averaging 3.7 yards per carry. He has eight fumbles but is second in the NFC with 73 receptions, albeit for only 5.7 yards per catch.



Duane Sampson -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 6:02:51 PM)

NFL Monitoring Cowboys Sun Dec 9, 2007 Fox Sports' John Czarnecki reports the NFL will be watching to see if any Cowboy makes a late hit on Detroit QB Jon Kitna after some of the Cowboys, especially CB Terence Newman, took offense to what Kitna said a year ago after Detroit's shocking 39-31 win in Texas Stadium. Here's what got Kitna in trouble with the Cowboys: After last year's win, he said of Dallas LB Bradie James, "Sometimes I don't know that he knew where he was at." Also, he said Newman could be beaten because "he's not (Seattle's) CB Marcus Trufant. He doesn't have that kind of ability." Kitna bypassed the weekly conference call with Dallas-Fort Worth reporters. But he did address his January comments with the Detroit media on Wednesday. "The media department here prepared me for that and told me about that. That was something that unfortunately has been taken as something that was serious," Kitna said. "It was something that I said to my hometown radio station after our season was over, and we were having a good time back there. It was really nothing that was a personal thing. Unfortunately it's been used in a way that I was trying to degrade players and that's really not what it was about. ... Are they going to want to hit me harder? I doubt it." During an interview on Sirius Satellite Radio this week, Newman said, "Basically what it boils down to is you've got to watch what you say. Your mouth can't write checks that your (butt) can't cash. He better just hope I don't blitz off the edge because I've got 15, 25, 30 (thousand dollars), however much (money) it would be for a fine."



John Childress -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 6:12:32 PM)

[quote="Duane Sampson"]Mario Williams Pick Looking Better and Better Sun Dec 9, 2007 The Chicago Sun-Times reports Houston Texans DE Mario Williams has 8.5 sacks so far this season, second only to Chiefs DE Jared Allen. Williams was the top pick in the 2006 draft, which caused much ridicule for a team that passed on RB Reggie Bush. Was it the right choice? Bush has struggled in his second year, averaging 3.7 yards per carry. He has eight fumbles but is second in the NFC with 73 receptions, albeit for only 5.7 yards per catch.[/quote] Still a bad pick no matter how hard they try and defend it. Vince Young was a better choice and would fill the stands. I notice they keep comparing him only to Bush.



djskillz -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 6:50:21 PM)

[quote="John Childress"][quote="Duane Sampson"]Mario Williams Pick Looking Better and Better Sun Dec 9, 2007 The Chicago Sun-Times reports Houston Texans DE Mario Williams has 8.5 sacks so far this season, second only to Chiefs DE Jared Allen. Williams was the top pick in the 2006 draft, which caused much ridicule for a team that passed on RB Reggie Bush. Was it the right choice? Bush has struggled in his second year, averaging 3.7 yards per carry. He has eight fumbles but is second in the NFC with 73 receptions, albeit for only 5.7 yards per catch.[/quote] Still a bad pick no matter how hard they try and defend it. Vince Young was a better choice and would fill the stands. I notice they keep comparing him only to Bush.[/quote] I don't agree at all. It was a fine pick. The only mistake was not trading down a spot or two, but we don't know if anyone would have jumped on that anyway.



Steve Lentz -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 7:26:26 PM)

Mario is developing into a great pass rusher and there simply aren't that many in the NFL.



David Levine -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 7:28:58 PM)

Right now if I could add Young, Williams or Bush to this Vikes team, I'd take Williams with no second thoughts.



djskillz -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 7:48:07 PM)

[quote="David Levine"]Right now if I could add Young, Williams or Bush to this Vikes team, I'd take Williams with no second thoughts.[/quote] Ditto guys.



Jim Frenette -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 8:02:12 PM)

Both Russell and Culpepper are inactive. Do they have a 4th QB?



Andy Lowe -> RE:NFL News (12/9/2007 8:06:51 PM)

[quote="Steve Lentz"]Mario is developing into a great pass rusher and there simply aren't that many in the NFL.[/quote] I'll admit, I was skeptical of Williams, but he is developing into a great player. Just because a guy doesn't get 15 sacks his rookie season, doesn't mean he won't be a great football player.



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