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theman1970 -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 8:14:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

I'd take that mutt Welker in a heartbeat.


We already have him.  His name is Wade.

We need the guy who makes Welker get open.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 8:24:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: theman1970

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

I'd take that mutt Welker in a heartbeat.


We already have him.  His name is Wade.

We need the guy who makes Welker get open.


2 things.  1.  Wade is not Welker. 2.  We will not have Moss here.  and 3.  Brady isn't our QB.  Welker wasn't as good until he had Brady throwing to him and he always had single coverage.

OK so that's 3 things.




El Duderino -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 9:16:03 AM)

You don't catch 112 balls in a season unless you are really good.  Yes, Moss and Brady help a lot, but that doesn't mean that Welker is not a fantastic WR, and shouldn't take away from what he accomplished.

Some notions that can be laid to rest after last night's game:

1)  You need a top-rate QB to win the Super Bowl.  Yes, your QB has to play well, but he doesn't have to be even top ten in regular season stats.  Shoot, Manning finished the regular season 3 rating points better than Jackson.

2)  Getting in as a wild card means you aren't good enough to win it all.  Obviously this has been shown before.  But even so, the idea that getting in as a wild card is not that great because of draft position has been floated around here from time to time.

3)  You can win with a great passing game even if you can't run the ball.  The Pats simply could not get a ground game going, which cost them possesions and field position all game long.  Balance is key to winning.

4)  Coverage is the most important part of pass defense.  I think most of us on this board already knew this, but if there were any doubters, last night should dispel this myth.  Brady was sacked six times, and rushed into bad throws all night.  Meanwhile, Moss and Stallworth were frequently left in single coverage, but neither made a big play all night.

5)  Super Bowl Ads are overhyped, and never live up to it.  This was the best slate of ads I have seen.  Some were weak, to be sure, but none were revolting, and most were between "pretty funny" an "falling off the couch in laughter" funny.




Zoilo -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 9:25:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

You don't catch 112 balls in a season unless you are really good.  Yes, Moss and Brady help a lot, but that doesn't mean that Welker is not a fantastic WR, and shouldn't take away from what he accomplished.

Some notions that can be laid to rest after last night's game:

1)  You need a top-rate QB to win the Super Bowl.  Yes, your QB has to play well, but he doesn't have to be even top ten in regular season stats. 


But it certainly makes your odds a LOT better ... Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, etc.




theman1970 -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 9:26:51 AM)

The game reinforced that to win the Super Bowl you have to have a great pass defense.  You can not play in the playoffs with the 32nd ranked pass defense.  Stopping the run is overrated.




El Duderino -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 9:26:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Zoilo

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

You don't catch 112 balls in a season unless you are really good.  Yes, Moss and Brady help a lot, but that doesn't mean that Welker is not a fantastic WR, and shouldn't take away from what he accomplished.

Some notions that can be laid to rest after last night's game:

1)  You need a top-rate QB to win the Super Bowl.  Yes, your QB has to play well, but he doesn't have to be even top ten in regular season stats. 


But it certainly makes your odds a LOT better ... Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, etc.


Oh, I won't dispute that at all.  Just the notion that you can't win if you don't have that guy.




El Duderino -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 9:28:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: theman1970

The game reinforced that to win the Super Bowl you have to have a great pass defense.  You can not play in the playoffs with the 32nd ranked pass defense.  Stopping the run is overrated.


See point #4.  Also, note that the Giants stopped the run all day long.  You need to be able to do both.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 9:34:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: theman1970

The game reinforced that to win the Super Bowl you have to have a great pass defense.  You can not play in the playoffs with the 32nd ranked pass defense.  Stopping the run is overrated.


OK, let's be clear on one thing.  The Giants OVERALL defense was great yesterday.  They shut down the Pats running game forcing the Pats into passing and when they did, the Giants DLine was all up in his face.  If they couldn't have stopped the run the Pats would have run all day on them, just like they did against the Chargers in the AFCCG.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 9:37:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

You don't catch 112 balls in a season unless you are really good.  Yes, Moss and Brady help a lot, but that doesn't mean that Welker is not a fantastic WR, and shouldn't take away from what he accomplished.

Some notions that can be laid to rest after last night's game:

1)  You need a top-rate QB to win the Super Bowl.  Yes, your QB has to play well, but he doesn't have to be even top ten in regular season stats.  Shoot, Manning finished the regular season 3 rating points better than Jackson.

2)  Getting in as a wild card means you aren't good enough to win it all.  Obviously this has been shown before.  But even so, the idea that getting in as a wild card is not that great because of draft position has been floated around here from time to time.

3)  You can win with a great passing game even if you can't run the ball.  The Pats simply could not get a ground game going, which cost them possesions and field position all game long.  Balance is key to winning.

4)  Coverage is the most important part of pass defense.  I think most of us on this board already knew this, but if there were any doubters, last night should dispel this myth.  Brady was sacked six times, and rushed into bad throws all night.  Meanwhile, Moss and Stallworth were frequently left in single coverage, but neither made a big play all night.

5)  Super Bowl Ads are overhyped, and never live up to it.  This was the best slate of ads I have seen.  Some were weak, to be sure, but none were revolting, and most were between "pretty funny" an "falling off the couch in laughter" funny.


I agree with everything in this one except number 5.  The ads this year, pretty much sucked.  With a couple of minor exceptions.  The Twins commerical was awesome.




El Duderino -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 9:50:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

You don't catch 112 balls in a season unless you are really good.  Yes, Moss and Brady help a lot, but that doesn't mean that Welker is not a fantastic WR, and shouldn't take away from what he accomplished.

Some notions that can be laid to rest after last night's game:

1)  You need a top-rate QB to win the Super Bowl.  Yes, your QB has to play well, but he doesn't have to be even top ten in regular season stats.  Shoot, Manning finished the regular season 3 rating points better than Jackson.

2)  Getting in as a wild card means you aren't good enough to win it all.  Obviously this has been shown before.  But even so, the idea that getting in as a wild card is not that great because of draft position has been floated around here from time to time.

3)  You can win with a great passing game even if you can't run the ball.  The Pats simply could not get a ground game going, which cost them possesions and field position all game long.  Balance is key to winning.

4)  Coverage is the most important part of pass defense.  I think most of us on this board already knew this, but if there were any doubters, last night should dispel this myth.  Brady was sacked six times, and rushed into bad throws all night.  Meanwhile, Moss and Stallworth were frequently left in single coverage, but neither made a big play all night.

5)  Super Bowl Ads are overhyped, and never live up to it.  This was the best slate of ads I have seen.  Some were weak, to be sure, but none were revolting, and most were between "pretty funny" an "falling off the couch in laughter" funny.


I agree with everything in this one except number 5.  The ads this year, pretty much sucked.  With a couple of minor exceptions.  The Twins commerical was awesome.


I guess that's just a matter of taste.  The Godfather spoof, Richard Simmons, the screaming squirrel, the ugly nut chick, Carville/Frist, the Doritos mousetrap - all classic, IMHO.




Todd M -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 9:54:28 AM)

5)  Super Bowl Ads are overhyped, and never live up to it.  This was the best slate of ads I have seen.  Some were weak, to be sure, but none were revolting, and most were between "pretty funny" an "falling off the couch in laughter" funny.

Seriously, can I buy pot from you? [:)]

I had to watch them all this morning as Ontario will not show American commercials and I did not laugh once.

I almost laughed at the first Bridgestone commercial but didn't.




Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 10:45:49 AM)

I laughed at the screaming squirrel and the Doritos and mouse ad.  Other than that I thought they were pretty boring.  I did laugh at the lizards dancing to "Thriller" but it went on way too long and they kept breaking away from the money shot of the lizards to show that lady dancing.




Duane Sampson -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 10:49:56 AM)

Goodell Disappointed in Pacman; Unlikely to be Reinstated Anytime Soon
Sun Feb 3, 2008

 
While CB Pacman Jones remains suspended by the NFL, the Tennessee Titans cornerback continues to go to strip clubs and has missed more mandatory counseling sessions, a league source told ESPN's Chris Mortensen. While Jones' return to the NFL was in no way imminent, representatives for cornerback have been told by nigh-ranking NFL officials not to expect him to be reinstated in the immediate future, sources said. Jones was hoping to be reinstated following the Super Bowl. On Tuesday, the Titans informed Jones and his representatives in a meeting that they plan to attempt to trade him, but Jones can't be traded until he is reinstated. The Titans had no comment on Jones' status, though it released a statement, saying in part: "Assuming he is reinstated at some point, which we have received no indication when or if that will occur, we face various decisions. At this point, no decisions have been reached ... We will not comment otherwise until the suspension has ended and we have reached conclusions about his future with the club." NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said he remains "disappointed" with Jones' decision making and that the player might need more time to prove his behavior has changed. In an interview with The Tennessean following his annual state of the NFL address Friday in Phoenix, Goodell said continued incidents involving Jones have gotten his attention, and the cornerback has not "demonstrated that he understands the message clearly and that he is making the correct decisions." An NFL spokesman told ESPN a decision on Jones will be made in the offseason, after the Super Bowl.

 
What a loser......[sm=worthless.gif]




Trekgeekscott -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 10:57:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino



I guess that's just a matter of taste.  The Godfather spoof,


Lame!

quote:

Richard Simmons,


The fact that they used Richard Simmons for a commercial is reason enough to hate the commercial.

quote:

the screaming squirrel,


this was about the only commercial I liked, other than the Twins trying out the "new park" 

quote:

the ugly nut chick,


Predictable.

quote:

Carville/Frist,


Extermely predictable.

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 the Doritos mousetrap -


Probably would have been better the "mouse" wasn't just some dude in a cheesy ass mouse suit. 

quote:

all classic, IMHO.


Clearly you are right.  It is all just a matter of taste.




David Levine -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 11:11:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

5) Super Bowl Ads are overhyped, and never live up to it. This was the best slate of ads I have seen. Some were weak, to be sure, but none were revolting, and most were between "pretty funny" an "falling off the couch in laughter" funny.


The Panda one was revolting. Offensive as hell. I can't believe that made it through.




Lynn G. -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 11:13:34 AM)

Refresh my memory David.  What was the Panda one?




Easy E -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 11:22:06 AM)

As bad as the Charges played the run that game... without major injuries to their 3 best players, they would have easily won that game.

To win in today's NFL, you have to be able to pass, be able to stop the pass, be able to stop the run, and be able to run the ball.

In that order.

Now, if you're great at running, like Peterson is, you need to do that in order to be able to pass well..

The Patriots showed, about halfway through the season, that they were a one trick team. They can pass the ball, and that's it.

They couldn't stop the pass, or the run, or run particuarly well.

They blew teams out the first half of the season and started to believe their hype. If they hadn't been so cocky, they might have actually solved some of their glaring problems, but instead they were content to squeek by some bad team.

To much time going for it on 4th down instead of playing the way they needed to ended up costing them big time.




Jim Frenette -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 11:27:12 AM)

Will Jr Seau retire now for the second time?




hrerikl -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 11:36:27 AM)

I thought the Pepsico "Bob's House" was pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffrq6cUoE5A





theman1970 -> RE: RE:NFL News (2/4/2008 11:54:57 AM)

Saints DE Grant stabbed

woman killed

http://www6.comcast.net/sports/articles/general/2008/02/04/FBN.Saints.Player.Stabbed/

When will these guys learn to stay out of nightclubs?




El Duderino -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 12:20:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

5) Super Bowl Ads are overhyped, and never live up to it. This was the best slate of ads I have seen. Some were weak, to be sure, but none were revolting, and most were between "pretty funny" an "falling off the couch in laughter" funny.


The Panda one was revolting. Offensive as hell. I can't believe that made it through.


Good call - I had forgotten that one.  I stand corrected on that point.




El Duderino -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 12:23:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

I guess that's just a matter of taste.  The Godfather spoof,


Lame!


[:-]

quote:

quote:

Richard Simmons,


The fact that they used Richard Simmons for a commercial is reason enough to hate the commercial.


I thought it was hysterical that they put the pedal to the medal for him.

quote:

quote:

 the Doritos mousetrap -


Probably would have been better the "mouse" wasn't just some dude in a cheesy ass mouse suit. 


I thought that was what made it work!  It would have sucked if it had been CGI, IHMO.




Duane Sampson -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 12:56:55 PM)

Bundchen: 'If the Pats Lose, I'll Run Naked Through Mid-Town Manhattan'
[image]http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/img10613137.jpg[/image]
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (Sportsman's Daily Wire Service) -- Winning isn't everything, particularly if losing means you get to glimpse Brazilian supermodel Gisele Bundchen striding naked down the Great White Way. A trip to the Super Bowl has suddenly presented the Patriots with an unexpected dilemma: a choice between a perfect record and beholding the perfect body, unclad and in motion.

In the aftermath of their 21-12 victory over the San Diego Chargers, Tom Brady's celebrated girlfriend startled onlookers by promising to run naked down Broadway in the unlikely event the Patriots lose to the Arizona-bound N.Y. Giants -- unlikely until the very moment she parted her full lips and made the surprise announcement.

"Never in a million years did I think I'd have a problem motivating a team heading into the Super Bowl," said Patriots coach Bill Belichick. "Gisele opens her big mouth and look at 'em -- half the guys are staring into space, the others are leering like they've just stumbled onto their uncle's private porn stash. And who can blame them -- that's one fine specimen. But this is a completely new wrinkle ... though wrinkle is probably the wrong word, as I've seen Gisele in a thong, and trust me, that butt's tighter than a fine-tuned snare drum."

Most of the players interviewed refuse to let the indelible image of Gisele Bundchen gamboling gazelle-like though the streets -- if a gazelle were 5-11 with perfect breasts and generated enough heat to thaw 30 square miles of permafrost -- to become a distraction.

"To be perfectly honest, she's been a distraction the moment we saw pics of her on the beach with T.B. in the offseason," said linebacker Mike Vrabel. "Those legs, that butt, those lips. Thankfully we've got football to release the sexual tension. Bringing an erection onto the field is never a good idea, particularly for a linebacker who relies on lateral pursuit to be effective."

When she learned of the players' reaction to her provocative remark, Bundchen immediately tried walking it back.

"It was a mistake and I'm sorry I said it. I don't know what I could have been thinking -- Midtown Manhattan is a parking lot any time of day or night. It'd take 30 minutes just to make it from the Theater District to 34th Street. And what if I ran into the Naked Cowboy and had to pose for pictures with every out-of-town Tom, Dick and Harry? Tack on another 30 minutes, easily. How 'bout I simply flashed my breasts from a billboard in Times Square and call it a day ... will that work?"

Not for Tedy Bruschi it won't.
"To me, a perfect season is winning the Superbowl AND getting to see Gisele naked. So no matter how you slice it, a perfect season is no longer possible. We win, we have to live with the thought of Gisele's legs wrapped around Tom's neck, rolling around on some beach somewhere. And if we lose, everything we've accomplished is out the window. I wonder if Gisele has a sister*.

What's the temperature in Rio this time of year?"

Giants coach Tom Coughlin suspects there's more to Bundchen's announcement than meets the eye and detects a whiff of classic Belichick gamesmanship.

"Belichick is behind this, I can smell it. He wants us going into the game thinking his team is distracted and conflicted. First off, I'm not going to have the girlfriend of an opposing quarterback run naked on our home turf. Second, if Bill wants to play that game, fine. If the Patriots win, our offensive line will run buck naked through the streets of Foxborough. That's over 1,000 pounds of highly repulsive man-meat. Your move, Belichick."

Rich Peltz, a Giants fan from Weehauken, N.J., captured the sentiment shared by football fans around the country who've been waiting and hoping for the insufferably smug Patriots to stumble.

"I haven't been to a Broadway show in over 20 years. But Gisele Bundchen naked, with Tom Brady watching helplessly on the sidelines, now that's one show I'd pay Broadway prices to see."

* Gisele has five sisters, one for each of the Patriots' starting linebacker corps, with two to divide up among the team's secondary: Raquel, Graziela, Gabriela, Rafaela and her fraternal twin PatrĂ­cia.




Duane Sampson -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 12:57:53 PM)

Hey, before anyone freaks out - that site is SATIRE!! [&:] [&:] [&:]




So.Mn.Fan -> RE: NFL News (2/4/2008 1:16:11 PM)

this just in ......
Mercury Morris is still on top
(and he's STILL pathetic and sad)
As Mike & Mike said today, he's just begging for people to call him today.
Hard to pull off being 17-0 and still be a loser, but he does it.  




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