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#1 Bart Starr fan -> RE:The Packers (11/14/2007 11:51:55 PM)

[quote="John Childress"]Is Tom Brady the new Bart Starr?[/quote] You may be right...at least until this year, simply because Starr's raw numbers were never as good as Brady's are now (are anyone's?). His completion percentage, int rate (until the end) and, of course, victory count, are what Brady shares, along with they're both excellent "field generals." I hate praising Brady simply because I don't like the guy and I do think he has a cockiness that Starr never had. Starr was very much a quiet leader, but everyone on the team respected him. Still, they were/are both very intelligent QBs, there's no denying that. I think Starr was harder to rattle, esp. given how much rougher the QB had it back in the 60s. They were ALWAYS getting killed. Starr played with bad ribs for at least the last 3 or 4 years, IIRC. There's a story told about Bart that one time a DL got through and knocked him down, getting a hand through those pitiful small facemasks and cutting Bart's lip. Bart had the reputation of being a very quiet man, a very devout Christian, but he got up off the turf, spat out the blood, cursed the DL out something fierce (to the amazement of Starr's teammates) and then calmly threw a TD pass on the very next play. Another similarity between the two is how they are in systems that (with a few exceptions, such as Moss this year) is about role players on offense and defense. Yes, the Packers of that era had their share of HOFers, but other journeymen are less heralded, e.g. Lionel Aldridge, Elijah Pitts, Carroll Dale, Tom Brown and Doug Hart (safeties) and WR Bob Long. Likewise, Bellichik also seems to coach the "team" and not just his stars, although, again like Starr, there is no denying the Bellichik considers this Brady's team, much as Lombardi knew it was Starr's team. Funny enough, one of the biggest differences between the two is that Starr had, arguably, the best back-up QB in the league at the time filling in for him when he was injured, Zeke Bratkowski. The Pack won a few games with ole Zeke at the helm. Can the same be said if Brady goes down? Will we ever even know? As for passing ability, Brady obviously has more arm stregth but for pure accuracy, I don't know. Starr sure had a nice touch and he could certainly throw it down field when he had to. Good question, JC. So, here's one...is Adrian Peterson the next a) Barry Sanders, b) Gale Sayers, or as a lot of people think, c) Eric Dickerson. Personally, I think he has the power of Sanders but the quick change of direction and deceptive craftiness of Sayers.



Cheesehead Craig -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 6:38:15 AM)

Granted, I'm from SE WI, but I'd have to go with Da Bears as the biggest rival regardless of era. It just got nasty between the teams for a long time.



Duane Sampson -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 10:03:31 PM)

Found this in my email archive - ENJOY! :beer:
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Jon Lester: Can't we all just get along? Jon Lester Published June 11, 2003 -- Editor's note: Jon Lester of Roanoke, Va., is a guest writer participating in our J. Fan columnist search. He can be reached at JL2saint@aol.com. As a 37-year-old Viking fan from birth I have come to realize that I actually have two favorite NFL teams. The Vikings and whoever is playing the Green Bay Packers. And I started to think about why that was. Do I really "hate" the Packers? What did they do that was so bad? Have they dominated our division? No. Have they dominated us? Negative. Was there one defining moment where we lost something precious at the hands of this hated rival? Not that I can remember. If anything we should dislike the Dallas Cowboys by that standard. So why do I feel the way that I do? Why do I despise them so? I must tell you that this was not an easy question to answer. I had to sit down and actually try to write down the things about them that I disliked the most. I thought and I thought and I sat there for almost an hour before I finally had the epiphany I was looking for. Now before I say this I want everyone to know that "hate" is a relative word. In this particular context it means "to dislike during the course of a football game or season" and has nothing to do with personalities or anything like that. Also, there are exceptions to the rule so I guess I'm just speaking about the majority. But what I realized is that I don't hate the Green Bay Packers, I hate their FANS!!! Think about it. There was no one particular Green Bay player that made "my" blood boil. You? I could have done without Reggie White I guess, but I didn't like him when he played for the Eagles either. And while Brett Favre is a great quarterback, he doesn't play particularly well against us and he plays terrible in the Metrodome. I'll actually be sad to see him retire, so it can't be that. They haven't beaten us on a consistent basis and I think we actually own a better head to head record in my lifetime so that can't be it either. I can't really find a reason to "hate" the Packers other than I can't stand their fans, plain and simple. For me I think it started with the "There are football fans, and then there are Green Bay Packer fans" Pat Summerall quote. Never did words ring so true, but not the way that Summerall meant them. The quote should have been, "Packer fans are sure something else". They hibernated for 20 plus seasons while they were the doormats of the Central division and they cursed the names of Dan Devine, Forrest Gregg, and Lindy Infante, but as soon as the winning seasons returned they came out of the woodwork like cockroaches. "The Pack is back", they all said. "Where have you been?" was my question. I can't remember seeing anyone walking around in the 80's wearing a Lynn Dickey jersey. And to make matters worse, when they were finally brave enough to show their faces they were more irritating than before. "We're the greatest fans in sports". Huh? How can you disappear for 20 years and then make that claim? Around here we call those types of people "bandwagon" fans and they are a dime a dozen. It's infuriating and all of the "Brett this and Brett that, yada, yada, yada" doesn't help either. I know that you know of what I speak. Now while I do have these bad feelings burning inside me, I want you to know that I'm not belligerent or unreasonable at any time. I am a people person by nature and getting along with other people is something that I feel is important. I don't want to "hate" anybody. So I've devised a recovery plan and now when I do encounter a Packer fan at the local sports pub on a Sunday afternoon I just walk up, introduce myself, and hand him a list. Have you seen the TV show "8 simple rules for dating my daughter"? Well, my list is "8 simple ways to coexist with a Viking fan". I only hand it out to Packer fans and it goes like this. 1) We never want to hear the phrase, "how many Super Bowls have the Vikings won?". Not after we stomp you, not after another team stomps you, not ever. It is an excuse used to deflect the attention away from getting your butts handed to you and nobody wants to hear it. A Super Bowl win in the past has no bearing on the present and it won't help you win one game in the future. Let it go. 2) Understand this. Brett Favre is not the greatest quarterback of all time. Dan Marino has the stats and Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, and Terry Bradshaw have the trophies ( No disrespect meant to Otto Graham or Johnny Unitas either ). Brett is a Hall of Fame quarterback no doubt, but he is not the "best ever". He has 1 Super Bowl win in his career ( so do Tom Brady, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson by the way ) and he owes that one to Desmond Howard. Let this idea go also. 3) Don't pick on Randy Moss. Sure, he has had some problems in his life but who hasn't? He is an outstanding athlete who deserves respect for what he does on the field as well as off. He is the best receiver in the game today and he may wind up being the best receiver ever. He spends a lot of time in the off season working on his game and working with various charities. He isn't the best driver on the planet but he hasn't had any more problems than some of the Green Bay players ( Favre, Chmura, Green, and Johnson to name a few ), so get off his back. 4) Don't "yack" incessantly about how Green Bay has won "12 titles". Blah, blah, blah. You have one Super Bowl win since the 1967 season and you got lucky to get that one. During the span from 1972 until 1993, your "mighty Packers" only made the playoffs a measly 3 times. Nobody cares about the "fossils" you call titles and anything won back in the stone age is irrelevant. A good rule of thumb is "if you weren't born when they were won then don't brag about them". The world was a different place then and there were only about 12 teams in the league so it's really not impressive. 5) Don't talk bad about our dome. Just because your team plays poorly in it doesn't mean that it's a bad place. Besides, it's all we've got. 6) Never say that Viking fans are jealous of you because we are not. We have our own storied history consisting of an NFL championship in 1969 and NFC titles in 73, 74, and 76. We wouldn't trade Alan Page for anybody who has ever been on the Packers' roster and your uniforms are ugly. 7) When attending games, try to dress accordingly. Camouflage, blaze orange, and a block of cheese the size of a car battery on your head is not proper football viewing attire. I know that it is cold in Green Bay, but there has to be something warm in your closet that doesn't have deer blood on it. Also, when the game is on national television you need to be careful who you let sit in the stands. I saw a lady on TV last season with a sign on her middle tooth that said "next tooth 1 mile". That can't be good for tourism. 8- Don't brag about being an NFL "owner". Just because you were dumb enough to shell out $200 for a worthless piece of paper ( stock ) with a Packers' logo on it doesn't mean a thing to us. You don't get to make any decisions and you can't watch the games from the luxury suite ( especially wearing camouflage ). If you went out and paid 200 times what a car was worth, would you talk about it? Face it, you got duped. Pretty good, huh? With the season opening game against the Packers rapidly approaching, this list is going to be a necessity. I know that I will have several copies with me and I encourage all of you reading this today to print off a couple of copies also and keep them on your person. When encountering a "cheesehead", just do as I do and everything should go nice and smooth. Maybe eventually enough Packer fans will see the list, comply, and all will be well. Like I said earlier, I'm a people person and I want to get along with everybody. I'm trying people, I'm really trying. How about a little help? God Bless and GO VIKES!



Cheesehead Craig -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 10:18:57 PM)

I remember this. Funny article. I had emailed the guy my 8 counter points for fun. He wrote me back and we emailed for a while. Nice guy.



Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 10:26:55 PM)

Excellent article. Clarified some of my own thinking as well.



#1 Bart Starr fan -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 11:23:32 PM)

I realize the article is meant in fun, but it really doesn't sit well with me. I have a sense of humor like anyone else, but there are as many myths about Packer fans as there are about everyone else's fans, be they the Cleveland Dawgpound, the nutcase Silver and Black Raider-ites, or anywhere else. It's so mindless to take shots at Packer fans because the city is in a rural area so when it's cold out, you see some people wearing blaze orange. Funny, but when I was there 3 years ago on a cold Monday night in late November, I saw as many Packer sweaters, seatshirts, jackets, et al as hunting gear. And so what? It's cold, what should they wear? Leather coats? The same is true of the drinking. I have only been to two games at Lambeau, but I didn't see anyone slurring their words or being an ass. People were generally quite friendly, even to those who were wearing Rams (whom they were playing both times) jerseys, etc. Yeah, some "fans" are self-righteous about the golden days of the 60s, but lots of us realize that we SUCKED in the 70s and 80s. As far as the saying "the Pack is back" well, why the hell should we be saying that in the 70s and 80s when we WEREN'T back. We stunk. The whole point of "the Pack is back" is that we are back to winning. Sorry for the rant, but again, this goes beyond a rivalry. It stereotypes a large group of devout fans and casts them as beer swilling hicks who only go games because there is nothing else to do in Green Bay when it's not hunting season. If Craig or any of the other Packer fans don't get worked up about this, more power to them. I admire their willpower and restraint. For me, all I care about is talking football. Having lived half my life here in the Twin Cities and half in Milwaukee, and having traveled all over each state, I can say each state has its good and bad, whether you're talking about people, scenery, commerce, whatever. Why some people have to create this adversity in the name of making football more "fun" is beyond me. Finally, I'd like to rebutt this seemingly endless parade of idiots who throw out non-facts around Green Bay's most recent SB win, i.e. the nonsense like "Brett didn't win the SB, Desmond Howard did." The utter ridiculousness of this statement makes me see red. For those who don't remember, Brett threw 2 TD passes that day and ran for one. And the Packers won by 14 points. So while Howard was very valuable toward the win, he did not win the game singlehandedly any more than Randy Moss ever won a game without a QB to throw him the ball. Here it is from the Wikipedia article about the game: "The Packers dominated the Patriots on both sides of the ball, outgaining New England 323 yards to 257 and intercepting quarterback Drew Bledsoe four times. Packers defensive lineman Reggie White set a Super Bowl record with three sacks, including back-to-back takedowns in the 3rd quarter." Hmm, gee that doesn't sound like the Packers would have lost without Desmond Howard's one TD run back. While that last TD did provide an increase to the margin of victory, it was unncessary, as the D clamped down from there on out, including Reggie White's 3 sacks late in the game. White was as deserving of the MVP as Howard. Again, from the Wikipedia: "The score (the runback TD, after which, BTW, Brett threw a 2-pt conversion pass to make the margin 14) proved to be the last one of the contest as the defenses of both teams took over for the rest of the game. The Patriots limited the Packers to 3 punts and a missed 47-yard field goal attempt by Jacke. Green Bay did even better, not allowing New England to advance past their own 32 yard line. Furthermore, White sacked Bledsoe on back-to-back plays on the Patriots first drive after Howard's game-clinching touchdown return. White then recorded a third sack late in the fourth quarter. Bledsoe was also intercepted twice in the final period (one by Newsome and the other one by linebacker Brian Williams)." Apologies to the mods if this post reflects a lack of sense of humor on my part. I do think I am a good FOOTBALL fan and a good Packer fan and while I dislike other teams, e.g. the Vikings, the Cowboys, the Patriots, I don't feel the need to make it so mean-spirited. Again, I look forward to discussing football on this board, but I can only read this kind crap so many times before I have to respond. No offense is meant to anyone, Packer or Viking fan, who thinks this is funny or doesn't mind engaging in this kind of thing. But I won't be among those.



Duane Sampson -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 11:40:55 PM)

Bill, you kinda already did. :lol: I thought it was funny, not necessarily my complete view but it makes for some good "chatter." :scream:



Cheesehead Craig -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 11:43:44 PM)

[quote="Duane Sampson"]Bill, you kinda already did. :lol: I thought it was funny, not necessarily my complete view but it makes for some good "chatter." :scream:[/quote] The question is, can we post the same type of stuff about Vikings fans? Would that make for good "chatter"?



Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 11:47:23 PM)

#1 Bart Starr Fan - I totally understand what you are saying, and I agree that stereotypes of any fan base are only that - stereotypes. Not necessarily reflective of any given individual. That's why it irked me for such a long time to hear PACKER fans spouting all kinds of negative trashy things about VIKING fans. They would say "we don't mean you Viking Girl (my login name over there). We think you're fine, but all the other Viking fans are ... (fill in the blanks). What that meant is that they were bashing my family, friends, and just about everyone I knew - which somehow didn't set well with me. So I can understand why you cringe at the kind of stereotypes that were listed in that article. BTW - one of the things that used to rile them on that board was when I tried to make the point that we're all basically the same (as you were saying about the similarities between the states). I pointed out that we all just support our team with a passion, and our lifestyles in Wisconsin and Minnesota were very similar, and that we grew up devoted to our respective teams. For some reason, that in particular used to really, really bug them. The audacity of a Viking fan to say that she was just as devoted to her team as a Packer fan just galled them. They seriously didn't believe it was possible and it was sacriligious for me to even suggest such a thing. But somehow I found one shining gem in that group - - - and married him. :D About the beer drinking - did you see that when the Packers came to the dome earlier this year that dome beer sales went up something like 25%? :whistling:



djskillz -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 11:50:05 PM)

Hasn't UW-Madison won the "college that drinks the most" contest for like 10 straight years or something wacky like that? Make no mistake, Wisconsin-ites are heavier beer drinkers than anyone. Not making a judgment on it one way or the other, but it is what it is.



Guest -> RE:The Packers (11/15/2007 11:56:10 PM)

hey, I have a B-in- law who is a Packer-backer and he drinks like a fish... no correlation... maybe, but, I personally, have to drink like a fish when I'm trapped with Packer fans in order to quell my fist of death inclinations after the 5 billionth reference to Brett Favrey as the "greatest QB EVER!!" :roll: :lol:



Cheesehead Craig -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 12:02:11 AM)

[quote="djskilbr"]Hasn't UW-Madison won the "college that drinks the most" contest for like 10 straight years or something wacky like that? Make no mistake, Wisconsin-ites are heavier beer drinkers than anyone. Not making a judgment on it one way or the other, but it is what it is.[/quote] Now let's get some facts out there. Beer Consumption per BeerInstitute.Org Per capita beer consumption in 2006: #1 - Nevada #6 - Wisconsin #33 - Minnesota So Wisconsin-ites don't drink more beer than anyone. Just a lot more than what Minnesotans do.



#1 Bart Starr fan -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 12:02:23 AM)

Lynn, maybe the bump in beer sales were the "medication" that Viking fans needed having to put up with us? :D Hey, if all the increase in beer sales were/are Packer fans, someone should alert the Sheriff's dept. to have about 30 of his cars parked just before the Hudson bridge and pull over every WI plate car and breathalizer 'em...that might bring in some substantial revenue! You could even ear mark it for a new stadium! And trust me, there is at least ONE more nice guy who is also a Packer fan...of course, I'm already spken for and you've got yours anyway! :)



#1 Bart Starr fan -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 12:12:03 AM)

[quote="djskilbr"]Hasn't UW-Madison won the "college that drinks the most" contest for like 10 straight years or something wacky like that? Make no mistake, Wisconsin-ites are heavier beer drinkers than anyone. Not making a judgment on it one way or the other, but it is what it is.[/quote] Of course, since they drink Miller a lot, does it even count as beer? :beer: Actually, I don't deny Wisconsites drink a lot of beer (hell, I DID grow up in Milwaukee, after all), but I'm just saying at the two Packer games I attended (one of which was on a warm October afternoon, perfect weather for a brewski or three), I didn't see a lot of drunkeness, seriously. Part of that is, I think, they drink during tail-gating since who wants to drink Miller or MGD out of those icky-plastic bottles, which is all that's sold at Lambeau, I think. I can't say whether people elsewhere drink that much more or less. I did see a lot of beer being drunk when I was in England, though. And that's REAL beer over there....not Bud or other crap like that.



#1 Bart Starr fan -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 12:13:15 AM)

[quote="Danimal"]hey, I have a B-in- law who is a Packer-backer and he drinks like a fish... no correlation... maybe, but, I personally, have to drink like a fish when I'm trapped with Packer fans in order to quell my fist of death inclinations after the 5 billionth reference to Brett Favrey as the "greatest QB EVER!!" :roll: :lol:[/quote] Humph. In-laws...ya can't live with 'em and ya can't kill 'em. ;)



djskillz -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 12:14:22 AM)

[quote="#1 Bart Starr fan"][quote="djskilbr"]Hasn't UW-Madison won the "college that drinks the most" contest for like 10 straight years or something wacky like that? Make no mistake, Wisconsin-ites are heavier beer drinkers than anyone. Not making a judgment on it one way or the other, but it is what it is.[/quote] Of course, since they drink Miller a lot, does it even count as beer? :beer: Actually, I don't deny Wisconsites drink a lot of beer (hell, I DID grow up in Milwaukee, after all), but I'm just saying at the two Packer games I attended (one of which was on a warm October afternoon, perfect weather for a brewski or three), I didn't see a lot of drunkeness, seriously. Part of that is, I think, they drink during tail-gating since who wants to drink Miller or MGD out of those icky-plastic bottles, which is all that's sold at Lambeau, I think. I can't say whether people elsewhere drink that much more or less. I did see a lot of beer being drunk when I was in England, though. And that's REAL beer over there....not Bud or other crap like that.[/quote] No doubt. As for drunkenness, maybe their tolerance is too high now? :D



Trekgeekscott -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 12:23:59 AM)

[quote="#1 Bart Starr fan"][quote="djskilbr"]Hasn't UW-Madison won the "college that drinks the most" contest for like 10 straight years or something wacky like that? Make no mistake, Wisconsin-ites are heavier beer drinkers than anyone. Not making a judgment on it one way or the other, but it is what it is.[/quote] Of course, since they drink Miller a lot, does it even count as beer? :beer: [/quote] Yes, but like most American Beers...it's like making love in a canoe....it's f**king close to water.



Lynn G. -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 12:40:00 AM)

[quote="#1 Bart Starr fan"]Lynn, maybe the bump in beer sales were the "medication" that Viking fans needed having to put up with us? :D Hey, if all the increase in beer sales were/are Packer fans, someone should alert the Sheriff's dept. to have about 30 of his cars parked just before the Hudson bridge and pull over every WI plate car and breathalizer 'em...that might bring in some substantial revenue! You could even ear mark it for a new stadium! And trust me, there is at least ONE more nice guy who is also a Packer fan...of course, I'm already spken for and you've got yours anyway! :)[/quote] Good idea on the stadium revenues. I'm going to call the Governor's office right away. :D And yes, I can tell you're one of the good ones too. I've met Cheesehead Craig who is a super guy who has put up with a lot of crap from me and didn't even slug me when we met. :nodding: Sainthood is in store for him.



djskillz -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 12:55:16 AM)

[quote="Trekgeekscott"][quote="#1 Bart Starr fan"][quote="djskilbr"]Hasn't UW-Madison won the "college that drinks the most" contest for like 10 straight years or something wacky like that? Make no mistake, Wisconsin-ites are heavier beer drinkers than anyone. Not making a judgment on it one way or the other, but it is what it is.[/quote] Of course, since they drink Miller a lot, does it even count as beer? :beer: [/quote] Yes, but like most American Beers...it's like making love in a canoe....it's f**king close to water.[/quote] :lol: Always love it when you speak that truth, Scott.



So.Mn.Fan -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 1:44:06 AM)

[quote="#1 Bart Starr fan"][quote="Danimal"]hey, I have a B-in- law who is a Packer-backer and he drinks like a fish... no correlation... maybe, but, I personally, have to drink like a fish when I'm trapped with Packer fans in order to quell my fist of death inclinations after the 5 billionth reference to Brett Favrey as the "greatest QB EVER!!" :roll: :lol:[/quote] Humph. In-laws...ya can't live with 'em and ya can't kill 'em. ;)[/quote] I'm just glad to hear that I'm not the only one who has figured out the best way to tolerate time with in-laws is to be numb. Works for me. And for some reason, they like me better that way also. Hmmm. :lol:



Guest -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 2:35:50 AM)

[quote="#1 Bart Starr fan"]I realize the article is meant in fun, but it really doesn't sit well with me. I have a sense of humor like anyone else, but there are as many myths about Packer fans as there are about everyone else's fans, be they the Cleveland Dawgpound, the nutcase Silver and Black Raider-ites, or anywhere else. It's so mindless to take shots at Packer fans because the city is in a rural area so when it's cold out, you see some people wearing blaze orange. Funny, but when I was there 3 years ago on a cold Monday night in late November, I saw as many Packer sweaters, seatshirts, jackets, et al as hunting gear. And so what? It's cold, what should they wear? Leather coats? The same is true of the drinking. I have only been to two games at Lambeau, but I didn't see anyone slurring their words or being an ass. People were generally quite friendly, even to those who were wearing Rams (whom they were playing both times) jerseys, etc. Yeah, some "fans" are self-righteous about the golden days of the 60s, but lots of us realize that we SUCKED in the 70s and 80s. As far as the saying "the Pack is back" well, why the hell should we be saying that in the 70s and 80s when we WEREN'T back. We stunk. The whole point of "the Pack is back" is that we are back to winning. Sorry for the rant, but again, this goes beyond a rivalry. It stereotypes a large group of devout fans and casts them as beer swilling hicks who only go games because there is nothing else to do in Green Bay when it's not hunting season. If Craig or any of the other Packer fans don't get worked up about this, more power to them. I admire their willpower and restraint. For me, all I care about is talking football. Having lived half my life here in the Twin Cities and half in Milwaukee, and having traveled all over each state, I can say each state has its good and bad, whether you're talking about people, scenery, commerce, whatever. Why some people have to create this adversity in the name of making football more "fun" is beyond me. Finally, I'd like to rebutt this seemingly endless parade of idiots who throw out non-facts around Green Bay's most recent SB win, i.e. the nonsense like "Brett didn't win the SB, Desmond Howard did." The utter ridiculousness of this statement makes me see red. For those who don't remember, Brett threw 2 TD passes that day and ran for one. And the Packers won by 14 points. So while Howard was very valuable toward the win, he did not win the game singlehandedly any more than Randy Moss ever won a game without a QB to throw him the ball. Here it is from the Wikipedia article about the game: "The Packers dominated the Patriots on both sides of the ball, outgaining New England 323 yards to 257 and intercepting quarterback Drew Bledsoe four times. Packers defensive lineman Reggie White set a Super Bowl record with three sacks, including back-to-back takedowns in the 3rd quarter." Hmm, gee that doesn't sound like the Packers would have lost without Desmond Howard's one TD run back. While that last TD did provide an increase to the margin of victory, it was unncessary, as the D clamped down from there on out, including Reggie White's 3 sacks late in the game. White was as deserving of the MVP as Howard. Again, from the Wikipedia: "The score (the runback TD, after which, BTW, Brett threw a 2-pt conversion pass to make the margin 14) proved to be the last one of the contest as the defenses of both teams took over for the rest of the game. The Patriots limited the Packers to 3 punts and a missed 47-yard field goal attempt by Jacke. Green Bay did even better, not allowing New England to advance past their own 32 yard line. Furthermore, White sacked Bledsoe on back-to-back plays on the Patriots first drive after Howard's game-clinching touchdown return. White then recorded a third sack late in the fourth quarter. Bledsoe was also intercepted twice in the final period (one by Newsome and the other one by linebacker Brian Williams)." Apologies to the mods if this post reflects a lack of sense of humor on my part. I do think I am a good FOOTBALL fan and a good Packer fan and while I dislike other teams, e.g. the Vikings, the Cowboys, the Patriots, I don't feel the need to make it so mean-spirited. Again, I look forward to discussing football on this board, but I can only read this kind crap so many times before I have to respond. No offense is meant to anyone, Packer or Viking fan, who thinks this is funny or doesn't mind engaging in this kind of thing. But I won't be among those.[/quote] ********************************************************** You don't like that Howard was a KEY part in that victory? Didn't Howard have the same amount of return yards as Favre had passing? If so, that would be kind of rare, wouldn't it?



Ray Peterson -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 2:49:22 AM)

Wow! Packer fans popping up all over... good to see. Now all this talk about rivals, and Packer, Viking and Bear fans and drinking brings to mind this story...
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A Viking fan, a Bear fan, and a Packer fan were in Saudi Arabia sharing a smuggled crate of booze. All of a sudden the Saudi police rushed in and arrested them. The mere possession of alcohol is a severe offense in Saudi Arabia, so for the terrible crime of actually being caught consuming the booze, they were sentenced to death! However, with the help of a very good lawyer, they were able to successfully appeal their sentence down to life imprisonment. By a stroke of luck, it was a Saudi national holiday the day their trial finished, and the extremely benevolent Sheik decided they could be released after receiving just 20 lashes each of the whip. As they were preparing for their punishment, the sheik suddenly said, "It's my first wife's birthday today, and she has asked me to allow each of you one wish before your whipping." The Bears fan was first in line (he had drank the least), so he thought about this for a moment and then said, "Please tie a pillow to my back." This was done, but the pillow lasted only 10 lashes before the whip went through. The Bears fan had to be carried away bleeding and crying with pain when the punishment was done. The Vikings fan was next up (he almost finished an entire fifth by himself), and after watching the scene, said "All right! Please fix two pillows on my back." But even two pillows could only take 15 lashes before the whip went through again, sending the Vikings fan out crying like a little girl. The Packer fan was the last one up (he had finished off the crate of booze), but before he could say anything, the Sheik turned to him and said, "You support the greatest team in the world, your team has some of the best and most loyal football fans in the world. For this, you may have two wishes! "Thanks, your most Royal Highness," the Packer fan replies. "In recognition for your kindness, my first wish is that you give me not 20, but 100 lashes." "Not only are you an honorable, handsome and powerful man, you are also very brave," the Sheik says with an admiring look on his face, "If 100 lashes is what you desire, then so be it. And your second wish? What is it to be?" The Sheik asks. "TIE THE VIKINGS FAN TO MY BACK"
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Ray Peterson -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 3:20:02 AM)

Growing up in Northern Wisconsin we were privileged to be able to watch the Packers on TV every week... until 1961 when the Vikings were added to the NFL. Thus while Lombardi's Packers were dominating the NFL, northern Wisconsin Packer fans were effectively "blacked out" - and thus was born the intense hatred for the Vikings among the Packers fans up north! This situation lasted into the late 70's - early 80's when satellite TV systems became available which allowed anyone to watch the network back-hauls - essentially all for free. The first systems were expensive so only bars and restaurants could afford to put them in. They quickly became more reasonable in cost and I installed my own system at home in the early 80's. The best thing about watching the back-hauls was they were commercial free and while commercials were being shown on the actual broadcast, those of us watching the back-hauls would be able to watch the replays as the announcers discussed what they were seeing in the replay, etc. Howard Cosell was always interesting during the commercial breaks - and on a couple of occasions he got into trouble for what he said that was overheard by the satellite viewers which then led to the networks turning the audio off during the commercials. I wish I had taped some of those early Monday night games... Charter cable now gives us each network on two stations, one in Wisconsin and the other from Minneapolis, so now we get Green Bay and Minnesota every week. The Pack goes on the big screen and the Vikes game goes on the smaller TV. Ah, times change - but we still don't like the Vikings.



Duane Sampson -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 5:03:09 AM)

[quote="Cheesehead Craig"][quote="Duane Sampson"]Bill, you kinda already did. :lol: I thought it was funny, not necessarily my complete view but it makes for some good "chatter." :scream:[/quote] The question is, can we post the same type of stuff about Vikings fans? Would that make for good "chatter"?[/quote] Go for it, Craig. I hear it all the time. You know, if you can't take it, don't dish it. :nodding:



Guest -> RE:The Packers (11/16/2007 5:25:20 AM)

yea, right... has anyone else been informed of this rule?



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