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The Packers are basically the Celtics.  Highly overrated based on a few good years in a weak league before a merger, with few teams and the collection of talent all on even fewer teams.

LOL

Whenever the Packers are winning it seems you believe the league is in a downturn. Coincidence? Perhaps not skillz.

The Packers won titles playing against the likes of Jim Brown, John Unitas, Len Dawson, Buck Buchanon, John Mackey, Bob Hayes, Jethro Pugh amongst others....no talent there, right?

Tell yourselves whatever you need guys, the league recognizes the Packers as 12 time League Champions. No one else in even in double digits are far as titles.

Still funny reading that djskillz.

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The Packers are basically the Celtics.  Highly overrated based on a few good years in a weak league before a merger, with few teams and the collection of talent all on even fewer teams.

LOL

Whenever the Packers are winning it seems you believe the league is in a downturn. Coincidence? Perhaps not skillz.

The Packers won titles playing against the likes of Jim Brown, John Unitas, Len Dawson, Buck Buchanon, John Mackey, Bob Hayes, Jethro Pugh amongst others....no talent there, right?

Tell yourselves whatever you need guys, the league recognizes the Packers as 12 time League Champions. No one else in even in double digits are far as titles.

Still funny reading that djskillz.

I am a Vikings fan.  Bleed Purple.  I can't for the life of me understand why some people have a need to downplay the Packers past achievements.  They won championships people, no matter how good you think the competition was at the time, they won the title.  If the Vikings won a title in a year that you thought the competition was bad would you downplay that title?  Of course not.  We would have a title.  That would be all that mattered.  Do we downplay the Twins 87 WS title cause the team only won 87 games that year?  Of course not...cause we won the title. 

On the same note.  The past is the past.  It is not now.  Right now the Pack is better than the Vikes.  Sometime (hopefully soon) the Vikes will be better.  In any case rubbing the Vikings fans faces is pointless and juvenille. Your past titles don't impress me.  Cause right now you aren't the champs.  and aren't likely to be this year. 

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Actually, I would downplay the Vikes' titles if they were in the first few years of the league, with much less talent, and many less teams. 

For instance, I'm a big Laker fan, and I almost completely discount their Minneapolis titles.  Just as I discount the C's titles from that era.  The difference in that regard is that the Lakers have had dynasties in the 80's and 00's as well as some great years in the 70's.  The C's only had a less dominant span in the 80's where the Lakers kicked their asses.

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Would you prefer I compare the Packers to Notre Dame?

Perhaps that would be more apt, you're right.

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Actually, I would downplay the Vikes' titles if they were in the first few years of the league, with much less talent, and many less teams. 

For instance, I'm a big Laker fan, and I almost completely discount their Minneapolis titles.  Just as I discount the C's titles from that era.  The difference in that regard is that the Lakers have had dynasties in the 80's and 00's as well as some great years in the 70's.  The C's only had a less dominant span in the 80's where the Lakers kicked their asses.

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ORIGINAL: Lane Meyer

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Actually, I would downplay the Vikes' titles if they were in the first few years of the league, with much less talent, and many less teams. 

For instance, I'm a big Laker fan, and I almost completely discount their Minneapolis titles.  Just as I discount the C's titles from that era.  The difference in that regard is that the Lakers have had dynasties in the 80's and 00's as well as some great years in the 70's.  The C's only had a less dominant span in the 80's where the Lakers kicked their asses.

I've no reason to doubt that's the way you see it. My point is this - at what time/year do we start counting the titles as legit?

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The Pack, even with their title, underachieved in the 90s.  They just fell apart versus Dallas and should have beat the Broncos.

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Actually, I would downplay the Vikes' titles if they were in the first few years of the league, with much less talent, and many less teams. 

For instance, I'm a big Laker fan, and I almost completely discount their Minneapolis titles.  Just as I discount the C's titles from that era.  The difference in that regard is that the Lakers have had dynasties in the 80's and 00's as well as some great years in the 70's.  The C's only had a less dominant span in the 80's where the Lakers kicked their asses.

I've no reason to doubt that's the way you see it. My point is this - at what time/year do we start counting the titles as legit?

After the merger at least?

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ORIGINAL: Lane Meyer

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Actually, I would downplay the Vikes' titles if they were in the first few years of the league, with much less talent, and many less teams. 

For instance, I'm a big Laker fan, and I almost completely discount their Minneapolis titles.  Just as I discount the C's titles from that era.  The difference in that regard is that the Lakers have had dynasties in the 80's and 00's as well as some great years in the 70's.  The C's only had a less dominant span in the 80's where the Lakers kicked their asses.

I've no reason to doubt that's the way you see it. My point is this - at what time/year do we start counting the titles as legit?

After the merger at least?

As a fan of the NFL djskillz, do you really want to discount roughly 50 years of league play? What sense does that make?

That would leave us with the game results since 1970, correct?

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I'm not saying throw them completely out the window.  Sorry if it comes across as that.  But I just don't really think the level of play is similar at all.  And I'm pretty consistent in this.

Like the Yankees in the 20's.  C's in the 50's/60's.  Notre Dame pre-1950.  Canadiens back in the day. 

It's just a COMPLETELY different level of competition, with far fewer teams, far weaker athletes, a lot of racial inequality in most cases.  I just don't happen to put some Korean War era titles on the same level as titles in the last 20 years, that's all.  This isn't a thing just on the Packers.  It's more of a "what have you done for me lately?" debate/line of thinking.  In all sports.

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stone age titles in the 50's dont count for squat

It was actually 5 titles in 7 years during the '60's...and, yes they do count.

If you are going to post insults, factually incorrect posts diminish credibility.


Geez Ed, maybe you're being just a tad overwrought? 

What kind of accountability are you looking for from Packer fans? What does that refer to?

You hate the Packers and their fans, and that's fine by me. Wake up every morning and take a good long swig from that cup. It will do you about as much good as complaining about "fan accountablility" or believing that Packer fans are just plain horrible folks.

Take a good long look through some of the threads and the amount of unhinged complaining that goes on here. Vike's fans are just better people though, right??

Frankly, I love that you hate the team I cheer for. It's a game and nothing more but when guys like yourself make claims about what terrible fans/people we Packer backers are, you've lost perspective.  Go ahead and despise us, although you may be just a little biased yourself as well.  While you're busying yourself hating the Pack, be sure to watch them in the playoffs.

Again, what are we Packer fans supposed to be held accountable for?

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stone age titles in the 50's dont count for squat

It was actually 5 titles in 7 years during the '60's...and, yes they do count.

If you are going to post insults, factually incorrect posts diminish credibility.


Geez Ed, maybe you're being just a tad overwrought? 

What kind of accountability are you looking for from Packer fans? What does that refer to?

You hate the Packers and their fans, and that's fine by me. Wake up every morning and take a good long swig from that cup. It will do you about as much good as complaining about "fan accountablility" or believing that Packer fans are just plain horrible folks.

Take a good long look through some of the threads and the amount of unhinged complaining that goes on here. Vike's fans are just better people though, right??

Frankly, I love that you hate the team I cheer for. It's a game and nothing more but when guys like yourself make claims about what terrible fans/people we Packer backers are, you've lost perspective.  Go ahead and despise us, although you may be just a little biased yourself as well.  While you're busying yourself hating the Pack, be sure to watch them in the playoffs.

Again, what are we Packer fans supposed to be held accountable for?

See Lane, you speak of what you truly do not know.  Don't pretend to understand me.  I grew up most of my life in Wisconsin.  I lived less than a mile from Milwaukee County Stadium and I used to watch the Packers play on Channel 4 WTMJ with my grandfather every Sunday.  I probably know just as much about the 70's and 80's version of the Packers as most Packer fans......My grandfather though and some of the guys he used to have over to the house were the ones who taugh me the intricasies of the game.  I liked the Packers and even cheered for them whenever they wern't playing the Vikings.  I have even gone out of my way to "back" Bett Favre on these threads (Just ask the likes of Lynn and JC) Its only now that I have grown to dislike the Packers with the passion that I have and I attribute this to their fan base.   Packer fans are the self proclaimed "best fans in the NFL" yet they choose to only be accountable for themselves and their team when it suits them.  Packer fans are arrogant and spiteful.  I have attempted on many occasions to hold civil conversations with them only to be blasted because my opinions differ in some areas.  Best fans in the NFL shouldn't have to throw their legacy in the faces of fans of other teams......Lest you forget my good friend from Wisconsin, this is a Vikings board and you should take that into account when you post here.  Spew your opinions...its free, but you can't possibly think that you being in the minority here on these boards are going to win over any fans.  We can be friendly...hell we'd probably be friends.....but when it comes to Vikes and Packers, there is no common ground.

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stone age titles in the 50's dont count for squat

It was actually 5 titles in 7 years during the '60's...and, yes they do count.

If you are going to post insults, factually incorrect posts diminish credibility.


Geez Ed, maybe you're being just a tad overwrought? 

What kind of accountability are you looking for from Packer fans? What does that refer to?

You hate the Packers and their fans, and that's fine by me. Wake up every morning and take a good long swig from that cup. It will do you about as much good as complaining about "fan accountablility" or believing that Packer fans are just plain horrible folks.

Take a good long look through some of the threads and the amount of unhinged complaining that goes on here. Vike's fans are just better people though, right??

Frankly, I love that you hate the team I cheer for. It's a game and nothing more but when guys like yourself make claims about what terrible fans/people we Packer backers are, you've lost perspective.  Go ahead and despise us, although you may be just a little biased yourself as well.  While you're busying yourself hating the Pack, be sure to watch them in the playoffs.

Again, what are we Packer fans supposed to be held accountable for?

See Lane, you speak of what you truly do not know.  Don't pretend to understand me.  I grew up most of my life in Wisconsin.  I lived less than a mile from Milwaukee County Stadium and I used to watch the Packers play on Channel 4 WTMJ with my grandfather every Sunday.  I probably know just as much about the 70's and 80's version of the Packers as most Packer fans......My grandfather though and some of the guys he used to have over to the house were the ones who taugh me the intricasies of the game.  I liked the Packers and even cheered for them whenever they wern't playing the Vikings.  I have even gone out of my way to "back" Bett Favre on these threads (Just ask the likes of Lynn and JC) Its only now that I have grown to dislike the Packers with the passion that I have and I attribute this to their fan base.   Packer fans are the self proclaimed "best fans in the NFL" yet they choose to only be accountable for themselves and their team when it suits them.  Packer fans are arrogant and spiteful.  I have attempted on many occasions to hold civil conversations with them only to be blasted because my opinions differ in some areas.  Best fans in the NFL shouldn't have to throw their legacy in the faces of fans of other teams......Lest you forget my good friend from Wisconsin, this is a Vikings board and you should take that into account when you post here.  Spew your opinions...its free, but you can't possibly think that you being in the minority here on these boards are going to win over any fans.  We can be friendly...hell we'd probably be friends.....but when it comes to Vikes and Packers, there is no common ground.

Ed,

What have I posted that is untoward or otherwise in bad taste? I've been chastised simply for being a Packer fan on, gasp, another team's forum.

Yes, it's a Viking's board, but it's titled "The Packers".  And apparently, you really do hate everything Packer, cool. I've posted with integrity and respect, however, and if that is spewing, fine.

Is this just a place to trash the Packers or is it a open forum?

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ORIGINAL: Lane Meyer

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

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ORIGINAL: Lane Meyer

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ORIGINAL: Danimal

stone age titles in the 50's dont count for squat

It was actually 5 titles in 7 years during the '60's...and, yes they do count.

If you are going to post insults, factually incorrect posts diminish credibility.


Geez Ed, maybe you're being just a tad overwrought? 

What kind of accountability are you looking for from Packer fans? What does that refer to?

You hate the Packers and their fans, and that's fine by me. Wake up every morning and take a good long swig from that cup. It will do you about as much good as complaining about "fan accountablility" or believing that Packer fans are just plain horrible folks.

Take a good long look through some of the threads and the amount of unhinged complaining that goes on here. Vike's fans are just better people though, right??

Frankly, I love that you hate the team I cheer for. It's a game and nothing more but when guys like yourself make claims about what terrible fans/people we Packer backers are, you've lost perspective.  Go ahead and despise us, although you may be just a little biased yourself as well.  While you're busying yourself hating the Pack, be sure to watch them in the playoffs.

Again, what are we Packer fans supposed to be held accountable for?

See Lane, you speak of what you truly do not know.  Don't pretend to understand me.  I grew up most of my life in Wisconsin.  I lived less than a mile from Milwaukee County Stadium and I used to watch the Packers play on Channel 4 WTMJ with my grandfather every Sunday.  I probably know just as much about the 70's and 80's version of the Packers as most Packer fans......My grandfather though and some of the guys he used to have over to the house were the ones who taugh me the intricasies of the game.  I liked the Packers and even cheered for them whenever they wern't playing the Vikings.  I have even gone out of my way to "back" Bett Favre on these threads (Just ask the likes of Lynn and JC) Its only now that I have grown to dislike the Packers with the passion that I have and I attribute this to their fan base.   Packer fans are the self proclaimed "best fans in the NFL" yet they choose to only be accountable for themselves and their team when it suits them.  Packer fans are arrogant and spiteful.  I have attempted on many occasions to hold civil conversations with them only to be blasted because my opinions differ in some areas.  Best fans in the NFL shouldn't have to throw their legacy in the faces of fans of other teams......Lest you forget my good friend from Wisconsin, this is a Vikings board and you should take that into account when you post here.  Spew your opinions...its free, but you can't possibly think that you being in the minority here on these boards are going to win over any fans.  We can be friendly...hell we'd probably be friends.....but when it comes to Vikes and Packers, there is no common ground.

Ed,

What have I posted that is untoward or otherwise in bad taste? I've been chastised simply for being a Packer fan on, gasp, another team's forum.

Yes, it's a Viking's board, but it's titled "The Packers".  And apparently, you really do hate everything Packer, cool. I've posted with integrity and respect, however, and if that is spewing, fine.

Is this just a place to trash the Packers or is it a open forum?