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Steve Lentz -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 6:30:17 PM)

I don't like Brett much. I believe he is a self promoter and a phony. That is an opinion and could be completely wrong. My opinion of him as a QB though is one of respect. He did have a great year and will come back. He did have a very bad game last night though.



Dave Odle -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 7:11:44 PM)

How ever you slice it, you can't take away that he led his team to believe he was retiring for several years.  When a team drafts a QB in the 1st round, they're not doing it because they think you're playing for 4 more years.  How would that be doing the young QB any good?  Favre started all of this Michael Jordan crap by insinuating retirement and holding press conferences, only to back out.  If I was Aaron Rodgers, I'd be pissed.  In fact, it would actually be fitting if Rodgers took a bigger paycheck and sideline notetaking to another team and kicked complete ass, leaving the Pack to look another direction.  I think it's been a lot of disrespect to Rodgers.  If Favre played the past couple of seasons like he did this one, there would be at least a reason to keep Rodgers on the sidelines.  But, instead, it's been his selfishness that kept the kid down.  I don't think Favre even takes a mentoring role w/ Rodgers anyway.  But I'm sure I'll be told if I'm wrong.  I don't hate Favre.  But I get tired of the playing possum retirement bullshit.  Nobody can say he didn't start all of that on his own.



John Childress -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 7:23:14 PM)

To me the bottom line is Favre no longer can stand in there and take the punishment necessary to win big games.  Some throws you have to stand tall and he chucks and ducks and that leads to game-losing INTs against the top teams.



Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 7:59:20 PM)

However.....Favre did get his team to the NFCCG with a team full of young kids at the skill position.  I think something has to be said for that.  Put TJack on that Packer team and they win 5 games max.

As far as Aaron Rogers goes, I'm sure that his time on the bench learning the game behind Favre isn't going to hurt him.  I'm willing to bet...Hell I believe it with every ounce of my being that he's more ready now than TJack is and TJack has a helluva lot more game experience than Rogers.



John Childress -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:01:52 PM)

I would say the Packers are much better positioned to win next year and the year after with either guy at QB.

But they also are not a threat to win a title until the old man retires.  It is not like at 39 he is going to stop the chuck and duck routine.



Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:06:26 PM)

Possibly.  I agree though...they are much closer than the Vikings are at the moment.

I think with another year of experience their skill players are going to compliment Favre even more. I wouldn't dare I say, count him out just yet.  The defensive schemes employed by the Pack were IMO as much to blame for that loss as anything.  The Packer secondary got smoked time and time again and refused to change.  Harris was awful and Burress abused him.



Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:10:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

However.....Favre did get his team to the NFCCG with a team full of young kids at the skill position.  I think something has to be said for that.  Put TJack on that Packer team and they win 5 games max.


Except that TJack won EIGHT games with MUCH less of a receiving corps.  How do you come up with five wins with guys like Driver, Jennings and Jones to throw to?



John Childress -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:11:29 PM)

The Packers don't lose if Favre doesn't throw the game away.  He tried twice and only on the second time did the Giants acccept. 

Eli played in the same weather with 0 INTs


That is the difference in the game

Best of all, this is how every playoff run for the Packers ends up in the last decade - with Favre tossing the season-ending INTs

That is not going to get better next year. 



thebigo -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:18:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

However.....Favre did get his team to the NFCCG with a team full of young kids at the skill position.  I think something has to be said for that.  Put TJack on that Packer team and they win 5 games max.


Except that TJack won EIGHT games with MUCH less of a receiving corps.  How do you come up with five wins with guys like Driver, Jennings and Jones to throw to?


I too was confused.



Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:32:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

However.....Favre did get his team to the NFCCG with a team full of young kids at the skill position.  I think something has to be said for that.  Put TJack on that Packer team and they win 5 games max.


Except that TJack won EIGHT games with MUCH less of a receiving corps.  How do you come up with five wins with guys like Driver, Jennings and Jones to throw to?


Driver is their only "Vet".  thos other guys are young and inexperienced...just like our own receivers.  Then again...If TJack was in GB he'd probably be on their practice squad anyway so I guess it doesn't really matter.  Only we could put a DIV II guy out on the field light years before he's ready to play at a DIV I level. 



Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:33:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

However.....Favre did get his team to the NFCCG with a team full of young kids at the skill position.  I think something has to be said for that.  Put TJack on that Packer team and they win 5 games max.


Except that TJack won EIGHT games with MUCH less of a receiving corps.  How do you come up with five wins with guys like Driver, Jennings and Jones to throw to?


I too was confused.


Hang on....So am I to assume you guys would rather have had TJack out there for us instead of a guy like Favre?  Thats looney IMO.  Favre may be a has been....but our dearly beloved TJack is a never will be!



Trekgeekscott -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:46:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

However.....Favre did get his team to the NFCCG with a team full of young kids at the skill position.  I think something has to be said for that.  Put TJack on that Packer team and they win 5 games max.


Except that TJack won EIGHT games with MUCH less of a receiving corps.  How do you come up with five wins with guys like Driver, Jennings and Jones to throw to?


I too was confused.


Hang on....So am I to assume you guys would rather have had TJack out there for us instead of a guy like Favre?  Thats looney IMO.  Favre may be a has been....but our dearly beloved TJack is a never will be!


I don't see TJack as a never will be.  More like a might be, might not be.



Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:49:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: Ed_Marotske

However.....Favre did get his team to the NFCCG with a team full of young kids at the skill position.  I think something has to be said for that.  Put TJack on that Packer team and they win 5 games max.


Except that TJack won EIGHT games with MUCH less of a receiving corps.  How do you come up with five wins with guys like Driver, Jennings and Jones to throw to?


I too was confused.


Hang on....So am I to assume you guys would rather have had TJack out there for us instead of a guy like Favre?  Thats looney IMO.  Favre may be a has been....but our dearly beloved TJack is a never will be!


I don't see TJack as a never will be.  More like a might be, might not be.


People point to the last 1/2 of the last game saying he was playing "wide open" yadda yadda....WHAT?  Bad Childress suddenly let the kid play???  If thats the case then we have bigger issues than TJack as this teams QB.



David Moufang -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:52:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

To me the bottom line is Favre no longer can stand in there and take the punishment necessary to win big games.  Some throws you have to stand tall and he chucks and ducks and that leads to game-losing INTs against the top teams.


Right, that divisional playoff game against Seattle.  Small potatoes.  That game was meaningless.  It only counts when Favre f*cks up, not when he does well.



John Childress -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:57:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Moufang

quote:

ORIGINAL: John Childress

To me the bottom line is Favre no longer can stand in there and take the punishment necessary to win big games.  Some throws you have to stand tall and he chucks and ducks and that leads to game-losing INTs against the top teams.


Right, that divisional playoff game against Seattle.  Small potatoes.  That game was meaningless.  It only counts when Favre f*cks up, not when he does well.
No need to get hostile.

I think the Packers had a great season.  I think the Vikings, under current leadership, are 2-3 years away from challenging them.

However, that does not change the old J Kilty saying

Live by the Favre
Die by the Favre

Those INTs, especially the last one, are inexcusable from a 17 year vet.

Rams, Falcons, Eagles, Vikings, and Giants playoff games all ended with ugly Favre INTs.

Don't get mad at me



Trekgeekscott -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:57:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Moufang

quote:

ORIGINAL: John Childress

To me the bottom line is Favre no longer can stand in there and take the punishment necessary to win big games.  Some throws you have to stand tall and he chucks and ducks and that leads to game-losing INTs against the top teams.


Right, that divisional playoff game against Seattle.  Small potatoes.  That game was meaningless.  It only counts when Favre f*cks up, not when he does well.


Well, we're glad you finally realize that.



Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 8:59:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Moufang

quote:

ORIGINAL: John Childress

To me the bottom line is Favre no longer can stand in there and take the punishment necessary to win big games.  Some throws you have to stand tall and he chucks and ducks and that leads to game-losing INTs against the top teams.


Right, that divisional playoff game against Seattle.  Small potatoes.  That game was meaningless.  It only counts when Favre f*cks up, not when he does well.


Well, we're glad you finally realize that.



Now thats funny!! [&:][&:]



djskillz -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 9:17:11 PM)

I've kind of thought this for a while now, but I'm fairly convinced now.  Favre is the QB that Romo reminds me of most.  Now, I actually don't mind Romo too much, just because of the Witten thing.  But that is the player he reminds me of most.

Both are totally unconventional qb's (things like the shovel pass, etc.) that you would never let your PopWarner qb watch to learn from.
Both are chuckers that really just kind of throw balls up for grabs a lot, and get lucky sometimes, but also can look awful with picks.
Both are thought of as "gamers" that the media loves, and overall are solid (but overrated) qb's.
And both overall do not perform well in big games.

Yep.  Tony Favmo.



Dave Odle -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 9:31:07 PM)

That's funny.  On my Madden 08' I signed Romo as a FA.  During the game, I threw it to a WR on a timing route and the route got jumped and intercepted.  My wife asked who threw that horrible pass.  When I said Tony Romo, she just walked away and said, "It figures."  [&:]

Apparently, the Cowboy fan of the house isn't quite over that game yet.



Guest -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 9:32:39 PM)

Thats funny!!!  [&:][&:]



djskillz -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 9:47:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

That's funny.  On my Madden 08' I signed Romo as a FA.  During the game, I threw it to a WR on a timing route and the route got jumped and intercepted.  My wife asked who threw that horrible pass.  When I said Tony Romo, she just walked away and said, "It figures."  [&:]

Apparently, the Cowboy fan of the house isn't quite over that game yet.


haha   Yep.

Now I'm generally a DEFENDER of Romo's and was one of the few on this board that said he'd have a great yaer this year, but I think once he did people started overrating him.  He's a "solid" qb, much the way I view Favre, but I don't think he's a GREAT qb.  He makes a lot of great plays that few could make, but he also makes a whole lot of awful plays that you'd think he was a HS qb.  Again, just like Favre.



David Levine -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 11:46:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I've kind of thought this for a while now, but I'm fairly convinced now. Favre is the QB that Romo reminds me of most. Now, I actually don't mind Romo too much, just because of the Witten thing. But that is the player he reminds me of most.

Both are totally unconventional qb's (things like the shovel pass, etc.) that you would never let your PopWarner qb watch to learn from.
Both are chuckers that really just kind of throw balls up for grabs a lot, and get lucky sometimes, but also can look awful with picks.
Both are thought of as "gamers" that the media loves, and overall are solid (but overrated) qb's.
And both overall do not perform well in big games.

Yep. Tony Favmo.


Welcome to the media of 2007. I'm not sure I ever saw a piece on Romo that didn't either compare him to Favre or talk about how he grew up emulating him.



djskillz -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/21/2008 11:48:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

I've kind of thought this for a while now, but I'm fairly convinced now. Favre is the QB that Romo reminds me of most. Now, I actually don't mind Romo too much, just because of the Witten thing. But that is the player he reminds me of most.

Both are totally unconventional qb's (things like the shovel pass, etc.) that you would never let your PopWarner qb watch to learn from.
Both are chuckers that really just kind of throw balls up for grabs a lot, and get lucky sometimes, but also can look awful with picks.
Both are thought of as "gamers" that the media loves, and overall are solid (but overrated) qb's.
And both overall do not perform well in big games.

Yep. Tony Favmo.


Welcome to the media of 2007. I'm not sure I ever saw a piece on Romo that didn't either compare him to Favre or talk about how he grew up emulating him.


Really?

I haven't seen that once.  Honestly.



Lynn G. -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/22/2008 7:05:41 AM)

Dustin - you have to turn the sound back up on your TV.  They're constantly comparing those two, and the oft-repeated comment that Romo grew up as such a Favre fan has become even funnier when he finally set the media straight.  He gave an interview not too long ago in which he said he wasn't a fan of Favre's at all - even though he grew up in Wisconsin.

He was an Elway fan.[:D]



theman1970 -> RE: RE:The Packers (1/22/2008 10:37:16 AM)

The Packers kicked the Vikings butt twice and hosted the NFC Championship Game.  We need to start learning from them on how to build a team.

Their backup Qb would start on our team



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