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Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/5/2014 8:40:34 PM)

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To put it mildly, the Rockies situation is messy, and one that can't be cleaned up overnight. Tough decisions will need to be made to improve, and the first of those tough decisions isn't which big star they'll trade first, but who will ultimately be tasked with making that decision.


Yep, they never took their pitching seriously enough.

That's pretty familiar.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/6/2014 11:29:15 AM)

Yankees manager Joe Girardi told reporters, including Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News (on Twitter), that Alfonso Soriano has been designated for assignment. Dropping Soriano from the roster will make room for the newly-acquired Brandon McCarthy




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/6/2014 11:29:48 AM)

10:44am: The Diamondbacks will eat $2.05MM of the $4.1MM owed to McCarthy for the rest of the year, tweets Buster Olney of ESPN.com. Meanwhile, the Yankees will pay the $1MM assignment bonus to McCarthy’s.

10:21am: The D’Backs will be eating money in the deal, tweets ESPN’s Buster Olney. McCarthy is owed the prorated portion of his $9MM contract, plus the $1MM assignment bonus he is set to earn after being traded.

The prorated portion of McCarthy’s deal comes out to roughly $4.1MM, not counting the assignment bonus.

10:15am: The Yankees are in fact trading Vidal Nuno to Arizona for McCarthy, tweets Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News.

Nuno, 26, owns a 5.42 ERA with 6.9 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9 through 14 starts and three relief appearances this season. While McCarthy is on an expiring contract, Nuno won’t be eligible for free agency until after the 2019 season.

The left-hander was originally in the Indians’ system before being released in March 2011. The Yankees picked Nuno up a couple of months later and after getting 17 big league starts out of him across the last two seasons, they have parlayed him into the 6’7″ McCarthy.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/6/2014 11:47:25 AM)

Will they claim Kenny AGAIN??

The Blue Jays have announced they have claimed outfielder Cole Gillespie off waivers from the Mariners. To clear room on the 40-man roster, Toronto designated outfielder Kenny Wilson for assignment.




lylej -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/6/2014 6:52:47 PM)

And Pat Neshek makes the NL All-Star Team!!!

Who?




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/6/2014 7:47:59 PM)

Kind of surprised to see Soriano jettisoned, but such is life in places that demand PRODUCTION.
Its a weird concept, I know .....




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/6/2014 9:56:35 PM)

Keith Law rips on some AS selections and snubs

The MLB All-Star Game rosters always spur controversy for who's out and who's in, but also because there aren't clear rules on what makes an All-Star in the first place. I've never bought the maxim that it should just be the players who are having the best current seasons, because that's the ideal way to leave out a few legitimate stars while including a bunch of guys who had two fluky hot months.

But that philosophy also ignores the original purpose of the game, one that still matters today: This is Major League Baseball's one night to get all of its best players on one field in front of a worldwide audience. The focus should be on getting as many of the game's current and emerging stars into the game, and if that means a one-hit wonder gets left off the roster, so be it.

With that in mind, here are my main guidelines when critiquing the All-Star rosters: No player should go to the game for a first half that might easily be a fluke, but the sport does have a vested interest in getting a few rising stars into the game so they can play before a national audience. Of course, you don't need those guidelines to realize there's an enormous mistake on the AL roster. …

American League

Scott Kazmir or Mark Buehrle over Chris Sale: These two player selections are the dumbest of anything this year, and there's a fair amount of ridiculousness going on for both rosters, so the bar is high. Sale would be second in the league in ERA if he qualified, just .05 behind leader Felix Hernandez. He's sixth in the league in WAR and tenth in rWAR, despite having 20 fewer innings pitched than any of the pitchers ahead of him. He's 8-1 if you actually care about something as useless as a pitcher's won-lost record. And Sale was a top five pitcher in the league last year, too.

Did the players just look at the ERA rankings and forget Sale because he doesn't have enough innings to qualify (he's one inning short) for the chart? Is it really that hard to remember a guy who is a threat to win the Cy Young award if he can hold up for 200 innings?

Kazmir/Buehrle over Corey Kluber: Sale's omission is infuriating, while Kluber's is more puzzling. He's eighth in the league in ERA, fifth by fWAR (which relies on FIP rather than actual runs allowed) and sixth in strikeouts. He and Sale are on the “final five” ballot for the AL, but both guys should be in the game outright, and assuming Sale runs away with that vote, I'm hoping manager John Farrell picks Kluber for the inevitable injury opening.

Victor Martinez over Ian Kinsler and Kyle Seager: Kinsler is third in the AL in WAR this year and Seager is seventh, yet both missed the All-Star team, even though they have performed at All-Star level before. Granted, it was a few years back in Kinsler's case, but it's not as if he's a career minor leaguer having some weird half-year fluke. Their exclusion isn't about any one specific selection ahead of them, but a host of players marginally worse than those two filling out the roster.

Victor Martinez is having a great season at the dish, but won't be able to help out on defense.Sending two DHs is probably the worst choice, as the players added Martinez -- a good player having an outstanding season -- to the fan-selected Nelson Cruz. The team doesn't need multiple DHs, and Seager could potentially move to second base if the need arose (although he has played it only sparsely in the majors, and not since 2012).

I would also have taken either of these guys over Farrell's choice of Brandon Moss, probably the fourth-best first baseman in the league and a below-average defender in the outfield corners. Edwin Encarnacion's injury should let Farrell get one of these two deserving candidates into the game.

While I think four relievers is too many for an All-Star roster, the players did pick three of the best in the league, including the top two by fWAR, and Farrell added Twins closer Glen Perkins, a very good reliever who happens to pitch for the host team. Compared to the NL pitching staff, this batch of relievers looks completely rational.

And finally, it's a bit of a shame that Jeff Samardzija will miss out on the game just because he was traded the day before the selections were announced. Even if he can't pitch, he should be allowed to attend and participate as a full-fledged All-Star, even though it'll be in his new team's uniform.

National League

Devin Mesoraco over Buster Posey: Yeah, you wouldn't want one of the 10, maybe five most recognizable stars in baseball, an MVP winner who's produced 2 WAR this year, in the All-Star Game. Better to put Mesoraco, a solid player having his first-ever productive season in two-thirds of the at-bats that Posey has had, into the game.

This is the ultimate incarnation of the myth that the All-Star Game is supposed to be only about performance in the current season. It's not. Stars aren't determined in 70-game stretches. Posey is still a top-10 player in the National League, and the sport in general is worse off for his omission in favor of a player who has played like an All-Star for only 50 games.

Aramis Ramirez over Anthony Rendon: Ramirez isn't playing like an All-Star this year, and he didn't play like one last year either, even when he wasn't missing half the season due to injury. He's 13th among NL third basemen by rWAR this year and a below-average defender at third who doesn't get on base.

Third base is weak in the NL in general, but Rendon ranks second in the league in both versions of WAR, is out-hitting Ramirez across the board, and plays above-average defense. He's a budding star, a former top-10 pick who's breaking out this year now that he's back at his natural position. He belongs here over the underperforming Ramirez and even over Matt Carpenter, who also has taken a step back since what will likely end up being his career-best year in 2013.

Josh Harrison over a whole lot of players: Harrison is the antithesis of “All-Star,” the Mike Sharperson of this game, except that Sharperson was the token Dodger in a year when they had no real candidates, while Harrison is here alongside Andrew McCutchen, one of the best players in Pittsburgh Pirates history.

Who wouldn't want to see the electrifying Billy Hamilton on the basepaths in the All-Star Game?I can understand Jason Heyward -- whose rWAR is third and fWAR is fifth in the NL, but whose success is built largely on his superior defense -- not making it. But where's potential Rookie of the Year Billy Hamilton, with performance that merits inclusion, but also a specific skill that makes him a good tactical weapon if Mike Matheny actually wants to manage like this game counts?

Is there ever a situation where you'd rather have Josh Harrison in the lineup or at the plate than, say, Justin Upton? If you just want another bat on the bench, how about Anthony Rizzo, who joins Upton and Rendon in the “final five” voting?

I can only assume Harrison is here as some sort of super-utility candidate, forced on Matheny by the league, because I'd hate to think the Cards skipper believes Harrison, who had a .280 career OBP coming into 2014, was actually worthy of selection based on 70 wildly out-of-character games.

Tyson Ross over Stephen Strasburg: Ross is the token Padre, and that's a stupid, stupid rule; if you're a team GM or owner and don't want to see your club shut out of the All-Star Game, try getting better players. Meanwhile, the NL leader in strikeouts gets left home, and it's not like this is Strasburg's first time having success in the majors.

He has gotten very little help from his defense, with a .348 BABIP, but he's also been uncharacteristically bad this year with men on base, giving up a .311/.354/.439 line that's well above his career norm. If you're looking only at 2014 and only at ERA (or ERA and won-lost record), he doesn't look like an All-Star. If you're looking at the things he can control, and at his history beyond this season, he clearly belongs. And he has the fame factor in his corner, too; people might tune in just to watch him pitch.

I might also have tried to sneak Hyun-Jin Ryu on to the roster; he's top-10 in the NL in fWAR, getting great results with his new curveball, and having a Korean-born player in the game would give the game's ratings in Korea an enormous boost.

Middle relievers over starters: Every year now, we get middle relievers having fluky first halves in the game, when once upon a time it was all about the best starting pitchers in each league. Pat Neshek has been a great story this year, but should he be in the game on the basis of 35 innings -- when he was a replacement-level reliever last year -- over Ryu or Strasburg or Henderson Alvarez?

What about Tony Watson, whose 0.89 ERA doesn't truly reflect how he's pitched this year, and certainly isn't sustainable beyond this small sample? No one is turning on the game to watch middle relievers, who as a class tend to be fungible with short-lived peaks, over better and better-known starters who will also likely be just as effective when working in a one-inning stint. Five relievers on an All-Star roster is at least two too many.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/6/2014 10:10:14 PM)

Ehhhh

big deal. Until the Twins have a stake in homefield advantage...who gives a__________?

[:D]

Happy for Suzukimaking it. Perkins is a joke.

Brown-nosing, bus-throwing PAB




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/6/2014 10:11:57 PM)

BTW, if CarGo OR Tulo go on the market.


GET there. Make it happen.

Of course the Twins won't. Because it would cost too much.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/6/2014 11:23:49 PM)

Samardzija with a nice debut in Oaktown
Going to be fun to watch that team the rest of the way.
Like what they've done.




lylej -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 6:31:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Samardzija with a nice debut in Oaktown
Going to be fun to watch that team the rest of the way.
Like what they've done.


Exciting for their fans.
The Old Stadium will fill up now on most nights.
Six A's named to All-Star team.
Love some "Bob Melvin".
Great owner....
Chili Davis is a winner, along with Chip Hale!
Lot to like about the "A's" organization!




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 11:47:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Kind of surprised to see Soriano jettisoned, but such is life in places that demand PRODUCTION.
Its a weird concept, I know .....


Things happen FAST with the Yankees. Soriano gave them a shot in the arm last year but this year he has been brutal. We saw how Perkins blew him away a couple of days ago in his final AB as a Yankee. After he went down in that AB I thought this might be it for him




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 11:49:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Samardzija with a nice debut in Oaktown
Going to be fun to watch that team the rest of the way.
Like what they've done.


The polar opposite of the prospect hoarding Twins. Funny thing with the Twins and their prospects. As much as they get a major erection for their prospects they have not raised a single decent starting pitcher in more than 8 seasons. Kyle Gibson might be getting there, but then again.......would anyone be surprised if he ends up injured or in the toilet in a couple of years?




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 11:58:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Kind of surprised to see Soriano jettisoned, but such is life in places that demand PRODUCTION.
Its a weird concept, I know .....


Things happen FAST with the Yankees. Soriano gave them a shot in the arm last year but this year he has been brutal. We saw how Perkins blew him away a couple of days ago in his final AB as a Yankee. After he went down in that AB I thought this might be it for him


Can you imagine how long the Twins would try to squeeze water from that rock?




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 11:59:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Samardzija with a nice debut in Oaktown
Going to be fun to watch that team the rest of the way.
Like what they've done.


Beane with the nuts to make the move TR couldn't in 2010. Best of luck to them.

Did you see Verlander saying they made the move out of fear of the Tigers? I know they've beaten them the last couple of years, but Verlander, maybe you should perform in the postseason and bring home a title before you're talking about how everyone is scared of you.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 3:26:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Kind of surprised to see Soriano jettisoned, but such is life in places that demand PRODUCTION.
Its a weird concept, I know .....


Things happen FAST with the Yankees. Soriano gave them a shot in the arm last year but this year he has been brutal. We saw how Perkins blew him away a couple of days ago in his final AB as a Yankee. After he went down in that AB I thought this might be it for him


Can you imagine how long the Twins would try to squeeze water from that rock?


Just watch the Twins try to find out.


[;)]




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 3:32:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Kind of surprised to see Soriano jettisoned, but such is life in places that demand PRODUCTION.
Its a weird concept, I know .....


Things happen FAST with the Yankees. Soriano gave them a shot in the arm last year but this year he has been brutal. We saw how Perkins blew him away a couple of days ago in his final AB as a Yankee. After he went down in that AB I thought this might be it for him


Can you imagine how long the Twins would try to squeeze water from that rock?


A cringe-worthy thought




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 9:05:18 PM)

Gotta love Lackey whining about the PED guys .....
Ummm, does this have anything to do with Cruz ripping the crap out of your stuff?
Woulda meant a lot more if you said this crap BEFORE he railed you.
Oh, and yeah ... btw .... may wanna take a look around your OWN freaking clubhouse.
Love how the Bosox attract the mouthy rock-throwers in the league. Hmmmm. Its a Schilling-rich tradition I guess in ol Beantown.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 9:20:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Gotta love Lackey whining about the PED guys .....
Ummm, does this have anything to do with Cruz ripping the crap out of your stuff?
Woulda meant a lot more if you said this crap BEFORE he railed you.
Oh, and yeah ... btw .... may wanna take a look around your OWN freaking clubhouse.
Love how the Bosox attract the mouthy rock-throwers in the league. Hmmmm. Its a Schilling-rich tradition I guess in ol Beantown.



Lackey sux

Red Sux

Cry babies when you're not on top.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/7/2014 9:31:36 PM)

Right on cue .... JJ with an 11th inning homer as the O's jump ahead of the Nats.
Not supposed to swing hard there, dude.
Thank God you no longer play for us. We know the game so much better than you.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/8/2014 6:38:08 AM)

Methinks thou doth protest too much ..... [:D]


David Ortiz has defended himself in the face of rumors and innuendo about performance-enhancing drug use before.

On Monday night, the Boston Red Sox slugger went for the jugular.

David Ortiz, in response to an MLB Network segment he says he saw Monday, called the analysts out for their apparent comments about him and Biogenesis.

Ortiz, in response to a segment he said he saw earlier in the day on MLB Network, called the channel's commentators out for their analysis about recent comments over Orioles outfielder Nelson Cruz, after they said Ortiz might have gotten a "free pass" in MLB's Biogenesis investigation because he had been on a list of players who apparently tested positive in 2003 MLB survey testing.

Cruz was voted into next week's All-Star Game a year removed from a 50-game, Biogenesis-related suspension.

"In this country, nobody gets a free pass," Ortiz said, according to WEEI.com of Boston. "He wants to make it sound like I got a free pass because nobody can point fingers at me directly. But the reason why I got that fake [expletive] free pass that he's saying is because they pointed fingers at me with no proof.

"It's easier to do it that way than having something that they can say, 'Yes, you did this, you did that.' My [expletive], I call straight up bull. Let me tell you. You don't get no free pass here, especially a guy like me. I don't get no free pass. That free pass B.S. that they want to talk about over there, they can shove it up their [expletive]."

Ortiz teammate John Lackey made his feelings about Cruz fairly clear over the weekend, saying, "There are some things I'd like to say, but I'm not going to. You guys forget pretty conveniently about stuff."

Lackey's response to reporters didn't go over well with Orioles manager Buck Showalter, who said Sunday that "everybody needs to make sure that their own backyard is clean."

It was in talking about the Lackey and Showalter comments that MLB Network commentators apparently brought up Ortiz.

"What pisses me off is the whole thing about, why does my name got to be mentioned in that? What did I have to do with that? I saw on MLB the guys talking about it, and then they brought my name up, and one of the guys said that I got a free pass on that," Ortiz said. "It was the Lackey and Showalter thing, going back and forth. Showalter didn't say anything about me."

Ortiz continued, having his say in a 317-word soliloquy to WEEI.com.

"That's reality," he said. "You don't use the words that I get a free pass. You don't get a free pass on this. MLB don't play that B.S. MLB don't play that. There's a reason why I've been drug tested like eight times and we're not even at the break. Is that a free pass? There's a reason why I've been tested like 40 times since they approved the policy, the drug policy. Is that a free pass? They can get that free pass and shove it up their [expletive]."




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/8/2014 7:36:53 AM)

Papi protesting to deflect the truth?

Aww..what a crybaby. Tough guy.




lylej -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/8/2014 8:14:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Papi protesting to deflect the truth?

Aww..what a crybaby. Tough guy.


Amen!! One thing for sure, he was not juicing it while with the Twins!!




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/8/2014 8:28:01 AM)

The Angels are now .500 as a franchise for the first time since 1961. That was a lot of catching up to do.




sixthwi -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (7/8/2014 9:03:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

The Angels are now .500 as a franchise for the first time since 1961. That was a lot of catching up to do.


Not as hard as the Twins being a .500 franchise for this decade.




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