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lylej -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:20:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/09/baseball-is-dying-nonsense-the-case-for-baseballs-vitality/


Tough, long and hard decisions, are needed by management and by team owners. Totally agree that something(s) need changing, or our game of baseball at ML level will fade away!!




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:22:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Good stuff guys. A couple things:

1) So right on the personalities, Stacey. That's what bugs me most about the labels of Gardy as some great coach/manager of personalities. It's pretty easy to manage a clubhouse full of focused, good guys. But you actually have to, you know, manage to get through to young guys like Lohse/Garza, etc. And I find it hard to believe that those guys were all that tough to control anyway.

2) The money is kind of amazing. You know what a rotation of Liriano/Garza/Lohse/Worley/Gibson would have cost us this year? $30.530M You know what we spent on Hughes/Nolasco/Pelfrey/Correia/Gibson? $31.0025M

I'll take things that are depressing for $500 Alex.


CASE CLOSED TRYAN MUST GO. If this isn't an indictment on the Twins management and coaching, I don't know what is...

RA and Gardy should be following him right out the door.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:32:09 PM)

The Gardy Complex

A funny thing has happened over the past several years: many of the very same people who claim that baseball is uncool and that it doesn’t appeal to minorities or kids have gone out of their way to criticize any player — almost always a Latino player — who dares enjoy himself on a baseball field, claiming that his antics are the harbinger of the game’s very doom.

This usually plays out in the same way. A talented young player bursts onto the scene. He’s a bit of a showboat. He ruffles some feathers and, occasionally, shows some immaturity. The chorus of critics then chimes in, claiming that he’s arrogant and entitled and doesn’t know how to Play The Game The Right Way. The brash young player is talked about as though he needs to be tamed and taught and called on the carpet. He needs to be reminded that Derek Jeter or Cal Ripken or Hank Aaron would never have acted that way. And that if he doesn’t straighten up and fly right he’s gonna find himself out of baseball.

We’ve seen this play out with Yasiel Puig, Bryce Harper, Carlos Gomez and many others. Players who need to learn to “respect the game.”

But like so many ideas that seem to exist only in the world of cranky old columnists and sports talk shout-fests, the phrase “respect the game” is as ridiculous as it is meaningless. It’s a cliche that allows its user to take any subjective criteria, smatter it with a healthy helping of armchair psychology — and, on occasion, racism — and turn a matter of opinion or aesthetics into some quasi-objective assessment. Repeating that phrase more like a religious incantation than an actual idea. Demanding that some cocky young kid who flips his bat, trots around the bases too fast (or, sometimes, too slow), shows off his powerful throwing arm or, worst of all, acts jubilant when jubilance would seem to be warranted, adhere to the codes and behavior of players past.

The problem with this is, of course, that there were a lot of players who might have been said to have disrespected the game before Yasiel Puig, Carlos Gomez and Bryce Harper came along if today’s strangely puritanical standards had been applied to them.

Why didn’t Ozzie Smith’s backflips make anyone angry? Or Mark Fidrych talking to the baseball or grooming the mound? Satchel Paige would, on occasion, ask the defenders behind him to move of the field and then proceed to strike out the opposing side like a tightrope walker going without a net. Babe Ruth allegedly called a home run shot in the World Series and was almost as big a character off the field as he was on it. Bill Veeck sent up a little person in a game that counted in order to draw a walk. Rickey Henderson referred to himself in the third person and had no qualms about calling himself the greatest of all time, even before he had developed the resume which, actually, made that a pretty darn plausible claim.

Maybe those players did make a few people mad at the time. But it was only for a short time. History has judged them to be some of baseball’s greatest characters, greatest competitors and greatest draws. The people who made baseball fun or exciting and who, almost certainly, brought in fans who might not have otherwise paid attention. The players, managers and owners who, through their flamboyance or cockiness, gave baseball its vibrance even though some now claim that their modern counterparts are hastening its demise.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:34:25 PM)

What did the game’s prominence and popularity do for it back in the 1950s? It didn’t add any money to the bottom line of the many teams which struggled to make ends meet and which were forced to sell off their players or move from city to city. It didn’t give fans a better product. Unless, of course, the fans happened to cheer for the Yankees.

Ballparks were far emptier then than they are today. In 1957, the defending World Series champion Yankees drew 1.497 million fans, leading all of baseball. In 2013 the team with the worst attendance was the Tampa Bay Rays. They drew 1.510 million fans and their support is talked about as if it were a dire crisis. What is often called the greatest game of all time — the 1951 National League playoff between the Giants and the Dodgers which featured Bobby Thomson’s “Shot Heard Round the World,” took place in a ballpark with nearly 20,000 empty seats.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:36:45 PM)

Has anyone ever mentioned that before, that our fearless leader may have some issues towards certain "types"?
Hmmmm

[;)]




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:39:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Has anyone ever mentioned that before, that our fearless leader may have some issues towards certain "types"?
Hmmmm

[;)]


Certainly news to me.......[&o]




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:39:54 PM)

[&:]




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:43:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lylej

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/09/baseball-is-dying-nonsense-the-case-for-baseballs-vitality/


Tough, long and hard decisions, are needed by management and by team owners. Totally agree that something(s) need changing, or our game of baseball at ML level will fade away!!

Some changes are needed, but overall it's not too bad. It's more regional than it used to be, but that's not always such a bad thing. The TV ratings stuff was interesting. Almost all the local ratings put baseball games at the top of the overall ratings. But once your team isn't playing anymore, people don't watch.

Read the entire article if you get time.




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:47:35 PM)

Remember that Sano's HR trot was one of the most disgusting things TR had ever seen.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:54:54 PM)

Davis admits to Adderall use.
Anyone in here familiar with it?
Whats the attraction?




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 12:55:35 PM)

Refreshing to see "caught" guys offer an apology and pledge to make up for it.




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 1:23:27 PM)

I don't see baseball losing much steam IF it can clean itself up a little. Shorter games, ideally a shorter season, more focus on "star" marketing, etc. The ballpark is still THE place to be in the summer. Nothing like it in sports.

Plus, the latin population in this country is going to continue to grow. Baseball does very well among that demographic. As Matt points out, that's another thing that needs to be addressed; the blatant double standard that the good old boy network holds latin ballplayers to.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 1:51:15 PM)

Davis' suspension makes the 2nd O's player suspended for this in 2014

Bullpen guy Troy Patten was the other.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 2:54:15 PM)

MIAMI -- Giancarlo Stanton of the Miami Marlins says he's feeling "much better," one day after sustaining facial fractures and other injuries when he was struck in the face by an 88 mph pitch.

A front-runner for the NL MVP award, Stanton's season likely ended Thursday night after he was hit by a pitch from Milwaukee's Mike Fiers.

Stanton immediately fell to the ground after being hit. Trainers from both teams came to his assistance, and he was placed on a backboard and then a stretcher. The grounds crew even had to use scrapers to remove the blood from the batter's box before play resumed.

The team announced Friday that it didn't think Stanton would need surgery.

The Marlins say Stanton was expected back in Miami on Friday. The team has not definitively said his season is over, though manager Mike Redmond strongly suggested he does not expect Stanton back in 2014. Miami (71-74) has 17 games remaining.

Stanton leads the majors with 105 RBIs and leads the National League with 37 home runs this season.




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 3:00:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Davis admits to Adderall use.
Anyone in here familiar with it?
Whats the attraction?


Adderall is prescribed for those who have ADHD and is a mixture of different amphetamine salts. It has the opposite effect on ADHD people, particularly children, than what you would suspect.

It is very easy to get from a doctor or from a friend who has been diagnosed as ADHD.

It is used heavily by students in Universities around finals week.

It is disgusting the ease at which people can get it from their doctor.

On the other hand, it can be almost a miracle drug for ADHD afflicted people.

If Davis is ADHD, then he would have to provide a diagnosis information to MLB to get prior approval for use. Even so, it still might be banned, even if one is ADHD.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 3:03:27 PM)

Thanks Miles
What do you think HE'S using it for? If hes not ADHD
Basically an upper?




Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 3:23:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MDK

Remember that Sano's HR trot was one of the most disgusting things TR had ever seen.

Terry Ryan is pretty disgusting himself. The Sano HR trot, and Hicks flipping the ball were NOTHING! Yet Ryan and Gardenhire went berserk. This organization can't quit stepping on itself.




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/12/2014 11:12:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Thanks Miles
What do you think HE'S using it for? If hes not ADHD
Basically an upper?

If he is adhd, then he would have gotten permission through his md and mlb to use it. Since it is so widely available, i suspect he got it for the lift it provides.....very easy to get. Speed through an md........they are the biggest pushers in our country.......good ole md's.




Stacey King -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/15/2014 6:34:04 PM)

fantasy baseball speaking..

can Jacob DeGrom do next year what he is doing this season?




Stacey King -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/15/2014 6:49:14 PM)

holy cripes...

degrom struck out the 1st 8 marlins he faced tonight so far..

now the pitcher is up




Stacey King -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/15/2014 6:49:33 PM)

..and singles.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/15/2014 6:54:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

..and singles.

[&:][&:]

Was 8 K's to start the game a record?




Stacey King -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/15/2014 6:55:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

..and singles.

[&:][&:]

Was 8 K's to start the game a record?



i wonder. haven't heard.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/15/2014 7:01:12 PM)

You'd think 9 or 10 would be the record. To end the streak at 8 in an NL game is kind of silly.




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/15/2014 7:24:06 PM)

My friend Tom called a while ago...he said:
"Are you watching this?"

deGrom has 12 Ks in 4.2 right now.




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