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SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:18:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

AJ Hinch; Apparently Houston unconcerned about past bleh

Hinch, 40, served as the Diamondbacks’ manager for parts of the 2009-10 seasons, leading the team to an 89-123 record after being hired despite his young age (34 at the time) and the fact that he hadn’t managed at any previous level.

A real head-scratcher

Especially with a HOFer now on the loose




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:20:36 PM)

Ronnie sure has a lot of people fooled

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports feels that Gardenhire should’ve been given a chance to oversee the next wave of young talent in the Twins organization, but he’s not surprised to see the team seek a new voice following another 90-loss season. He notes that Gardenhire could immediately pursue another managerial job, with current openings with the D’Backs, Rangers and Astros. He also notes that it’s possible the Brewers will fire Ron Roenicke, so Gardenhire could fit there also.

As noted the paranoia, the bullying of the "media"(if you want to call them that)and the inability to get more out of players area only the tip of the iceberg.

I hope doesn't take a spot in the org, and tries his hand somewhere else. Am sure GoGO would LOVE for him to be in Milwaukee. Garza and Lohse too




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:20:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

My favorite Jeter story is this:

http://nypost.com/2011/12/13/jeter-gives-autograph-swag-to-one-night-stands/

I was always pissed at Jeter for Minka Kelly.

That one always cracked me up
If your girlfriend possesses a Jeter-signed ball .... uh-oh. [&:]




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:21:54 PM)

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I don't understand giving points just because you happen to stand at a certain position as the pitcher delivers the pitch. That's basically what you're doing with Jeter. He simply was never a ML-caliber SS.


Totally disagree. Overrated defensively, not terrible for a lot of years. And position matters a ton because it's about value. You can replace a 1b with production a WHOLE lot easier than you can a SS or a C or a CF. And it gives you such a tremendous advantage over your opponents if you have a guy that can really hit at those positions because there are so few. It's why we HAVE to have Santana play SS and get Pinto behind the plate. We have our CF of the future coming.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:22:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Ronnie sure has a lot of people fooled

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports feels that Gardenhire should’ve been given a chance to oversee the next wave of young talent in the Twins organization, but he’s not surprised to see the team seek a new voice following another 90-loss season. He notes that Gardenhire could immediately pursue another managerial job, with current openings with the D’Backs, Rangers and Astros. He also notes that it’s possible the Brewers will fire Ron Roenicke, so Gardenhire could fit there also.

As noted the paranoia, the bullying of the "media"(if you want to call them that)and the inability to get more out of players area only the tip of the iceberg.

I hope doesn't take a spot in the org, and tries his hand somewhere else. Am sure GoGO would LOVE for him to be in Milwaukee. Garza and Lohse too

Hahaha
Those three would walk out.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:22:51 PM)

Career OPS+

Jeter 115
Konerko 118




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:22:54 PM)

Milwaukee as an organization deserves Gardenhire. They really do.




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:23:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Career OPS+

Jeter 115
Konerko 118


Konerko is just about his equal as a hitter (Jeter's OBP gives him a slight edge overall in wOBA). But again, position matters a lot. And Jeter's defense was WAY better than Konerko's.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:25:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I don't understand giving points just because you happen to stand at a certain position as the pitcher delivers the pitch. That's basically what you're doing with Jeter. He simply was never a ML-caliber SS.


Totally disagree. Overrated defensively, not terrible for a lot of years. And position matters a ton because it's about value. You can replace a 1b with production a WHOLE lot easier than you can a SS or a C or a CF. And it gives you such a tremendous advantage over your opponents if you have a guy that can really hit at those positions because there are so few. It's why we HAVE to have Santana play SS and get Pinto behind the plate. We have our CF of the future coming.

So put Konerko at SS. He'd still stop 90% of them. And hit better.




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:27:24 PM)

No, he wouldn't. You can't just "put a guy there". You have to at least be very capable. Konerko couldn't even really play 1b, let alone SS. He was ATROCIOUS at 1b! That's the whole point. If you have a guy that can be serviceable and at least close to average (Jeter was at SS) you keep him there if he can really hit.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:31:49 PM)

The first time I heard Derek Jeter's name I was a senior in high school. I distinctly remember playing catch with my dad, listening to John Gordon talking about rookie Derek Jeter on the radio. Maybe I'm just jealous of Jeter because, after all these years, he's kept it up longer than I have.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:32:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

No, he wouldn't. You can't just "put a guy there". You have to at least be very capable. Konerko couldn't even really play 1b, let alone SS. He was ATROCIOUS at 1b! That's the whole point. If you have a guy that can be serviceable and at least close to average (Jeter was at SS) you keep him there if he can really hit.

He was below average at SS. Well below average. Probably worst in all of baseball every year of his career.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:32:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

The first time I heard Derek Jeter's name I was a senior in high school. I distinctly remember playing catch with my dad, listening to John Gordon talking about rookie Derek Jeter on the radio. Maybe I'm just jealous of Jeter because, after all these years, he's kept it up longer than I have.


Jeter is pitching Viagara already??? [:-][:-][:-]




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:33:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

No, he wouldn't. You can't just "put a guy there". You have to at least be very capable. Konerko couldn't even really play 1b, let alone SS. He was ATROCIOUS at 1b! That's the whole point. If you have a guy that can be serviceable and at least close to average (Jeter was at SS) you keep him there if he can really hit.

He was below average at SS. Well below average. Probably worst in all of baseball every year of his career.


Not true.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:34:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

No, he wouldn't. You can't just "put a guy there". You have to at least be very capable. Konerko couldn't even really play 1b, let alone SS. He was ATROCIOUS at 1b! That's the whole point. If you have a guy that can be serviceable and at least close to average (Jeter was at SS) you keep him there if he can really hit.

He was below average at SS. Well below average. Probably worst in all of baseball every year of his career.

Not according to the SMF defensive ratings. Which I use, extensively.
Playoffs, game on the line ... how many games did he blow for them?




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:35:09 PM)

Maybe I'm just jealous of Jeter because, after all these years, he's kept it up longer than I have.

Ok, now that bears repeating.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:35:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

No, he wouldn't. You can't just "put a guy there". You have to at least be very capable. Konerko couldn't even really play 1b, let alone SS. He was ATROCIOUS at 1b! That's the whole point. If you have a guy that can be serviceable and at least close to average (Jeter was at SS) you keep him there if he can really hit.

He was below average at SS. Well below average. Probably worst in all of baseball every year of his career.

Not according to the SMF defensive ratings. Which I use, extensively.
Playoffs, game on the line ... how many games did he blow for them?



Too slow. Too Hardy-esque

Could NEVER have played SS for Gardy.

And as simple as that, should have been the # 1 Reason for firing Gardy.Actually allowing him to make personnel decisions.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:36:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Maybe I'm just jealous of Jeter because, after all these years, he's kept it up longer than I have.

Ok, now that bears repeating.



And again.

I had a different response ready, chose to go with the Viagara reference.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:37:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Maybe I'm just jealous of Jeter because, after all these years, he's kept it up longer than I have.

Ok, now that bears repeating.



And again.

I had a different response ready, chose to go with the Viagara reference.

And ..... as proven by Skilz post awhile ago ... there are signed balls out there proving it!




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:51:28 PM)

Olney on Jeter

Two camps have warred throughout Derek Jeter’s career -- those who claim he has raised his level of play in crucial moments, versus the crowd of skeptics, who countered that Jeter merely cashed in on a fragment of his extraordinary number of opportunities on the big stage.

I always thought both sides missed the point. I don’t believe Jeter suddenly got better when we were all watching, but he has never been diminished by the pressure, either. We’ve seen accomplished veterans playing in a critical spot, and they disintegrate, putting too much pressure on themselves -- trying too hard to get a big hit or struggling to command a fastball.

Jeter’s greatest attribute has always been that he reduced the playing of games to the lowest common denominator: He just had fun. After the contracts were signed and the media questions were answered and the fans were acknowledged, he just had fun, treating a World Series game the same way he treated a season opener at Kalamazoo Central High School. This is how he got the walk-off hit Thursday night versus the Orioles after nearly being overcome by tears in the eighth inning.

His OPS for the full season’s worth of postseason games he played -- 158 games, 650 at-bats, exactly 200 hits -- is .838. His OPS coming into this season was almost identical to that, at .828, and now stands at .817, with just a handful of at-bats left in his career. Spring training games, regular season, playoffs, World Series, it’s all been the same.

During the 2013 season, he was about to start an interview for ESPN at Fenway Park, and I mentioned to him that a lot of young players ask about how he answers questions.

“What do you tell them?” he asked me.

“I tell them you’re intentionally boring,” I said.

As he began to defend himself good-naturedly, I acknowledged that through the years he had gotten more relaxed with his answers. But anyway, that didn’t matter, I said, because it was apparent why Jeter has always handled himself the way he has.

“You don’t want any of this” -- the media stuff, or any outside force -- “to distract from what you do out there,” I said, and I gestured out to shortstop.

He agreed with that.

Jeter mentioned in conversation a couple of years ago that he has always been within five pounds of his playing weight when he started in the majors. The same weight, the same unwavering confidence, the ability to play each game in the same simplified way for so long, from the beginning of his career to the end. He may not have hit the most homers, or accumulated the most awards, or led in the most categories. And like the rest of us, he is undoubtedly more complicated than the narrative attached to him.

But in consistency and reliability and effort, and in how he has served the game, he has been an all-time great.

• Thursday’s hero: Jeter, of course, writes David Waldstein.

• Jeter provided one last memory, writes Mike Vaccaro.

• Jeter saved his best for last, writes David Lennon.

• He was a hero to the end, writes Bob Klapisch.

• Jeter scripted the perfect end, writes Ian O’Connor.

• The Tigers chose to watch Jeter’s last at-bat instead of watching the Royals.

It was the most apropos finish to a career, perhaps, since Ted Williams in 1960.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 10:52:47 PM)

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It was the most apropos finish to a career, perhaps, since Ted Williams in 1960.


Told the kids about Ted's head tonight.

They don't believe me.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 11:02:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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It was the most apropos finish to a career, perhaps, since Ted Williams in 1960.


Told the kids about Ted's head tonight.

They don't believe me.

That's much more interesting. [:D]




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 11:04:24 PM)

Can't believe Dustin has gone to the Jeter side. How he lasted this entire season is beyond me. One of the worst seasons in MLB history. And he kept batting 2nd!




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 11:06:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Can't believe Dustin has gone to the Jeter side. How he lasted this entire season is beyond me. One of the worst seasons in MLB history. And he kept batting 2nd!

[&:][&:][&:][&:]




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (9/29/2014 11:09:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Can't believe Dustin has gone to the Jeter side. How he lasted this entire season is beyond me. One of the worst seasons in MLB history. And he kept batting 2nd!


Don't disagree there, Matt. He should have moved positions or retired a year or two ago IMO. But I've just come to respect him. It's like the Spurs in the NBA. I used to hate them with a passion. But man, you have to respect them. Now I don't mind them at all. Of course Lebron has a little something to do with that for me. [&:][&:]

Like I said, I'm a baseball fan above all else at the end of the day over a fan of a team, as much as I love the Twins. Jeter has been the face of baseball for a long time now and has done it with class in every facet. Mike Trout has a lot to live up to in that regard for the next decade. The game will miss Jetes.




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