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twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/5/2016 3:29:01 PM)

Looking at some of the ballots that have been released, maybe Raines has a chance this year? If he doesn't make it, he only has one year left on the ballot. Seems like a real push to get him in. Maybe the new 10-year rule is working to his favor in a weird kinda way - ramping up the urgency factor.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 1:26:15 PM)

Neftali Feliz 1 yr 3.9 mill w/Pirates; I expect that to work out well.




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 1:45:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Neftali Feliz 1 yr 3.9 mill w/Pirates; I expect that to work out well.


Pittsburgh still has the same pitching coach who worked with Liriano, correct? Yep.....Ray Searage is still with them. If there is a team that can correct a pitcher, it is the Pirates.

If there is a team that can screw up a pitcher, it was the Twins under Gardy and Anderson.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 2:32:01 PM)

There are at least four guys in the 500 home run club that can't get a sniff at enshrinement right now.

McGwire
Sosa
Bonds
Palmeiro

And people are worried about Raines...

FWIW, I think all of them should be in.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 4:27:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

There are at least four guys in the 500 home run club that can't get a sniff at enshrinement right now.

McGwire
Sosa
Bonds
Palmeiro

And people are worried about Raines...

FWIW, I think all of them should be in.

I'm not sure why you don't respect Raines. You and I argue about this every year.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 4:50:18 PM)

Raines is the only player who put up more than two seasons with at least 50 extra-base hits and at least 70 stolen bases, and he did this in four (!!!!) consecutive seasons, from 1983-86.

• Raines is the only player in MLB history with at least 100 triples, 150 home runs, and 600 stolen bases.

Raines has the best stolen-base percentage (84.7) among players with more than 400 attempts.

Raines had five seasons with at least 30 doubles and 70 stolen bases, from 1982-86. Ty Cobb is the only other player in MLB history with as many as three such seasons.

Raines had 978 combined home runs and stolen bases, which ranks seventh in MLB history. Of the six players with more, five are Hall of Famers and the other is Barry Bonds.

• Raines compiled 69.1 wins above replacement in his career. That's a better WAR than 15 Hall of Fame left fielders.

I'll throw this in there too. He "only" had 2,600-some hits. That's damn-near 3,000. Which is pretty amazing when you consider he walked over 1,300 times in his career. Also, with his speed (and SB success rate) there was a very good chance a walk would turn into 2 bases very quickly.




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 5:19:21 PM)

Black Ink Batting - 20 (107), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink Batting - 114 (182), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 90 (194), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 47 (106), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS Left Field (8th), 69.1 career WAR/42.2 7yr-peak WAR/55.6 JAWS
Average HOF LF (out of 19) = 65.1 career WAR/41.5 7yr-peak WAR/53.3 JAWS

The description of Black Ink, Gray Ink, Hall of Fame Monitor, Hall of Fame Standards and JAWS can be found on Raines Baseball Reference.com page. The numbers in parentheses such as 107 for Batting in terms of Black Ink criteria corresponds to the highest value a HOFer compiled. Pretty sure it was Ruth for the Black Ink, Gray Ink, Hall of Fame Monitor and Hall of Fame Standards who had the highest value.




Boyd Tesch -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 5:46:26 PM)

Griffey and Pizza.

Bagwell missed by 15 votes

Rains by 23 vote

Griffey 99%

all via Twitter




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 5:50:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Boyd Tesch

Griffey and Pizza

Bagwell missed by 15 votes

Rains by 23 vote

Griffey 99%

all via Twitter


squares, or wedges?




El Duderino -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 5:59:54 PM)

I don't get how Griffey gets the highest percentage ever. He absolutely should be in, but a higher percentage than Babe Ruth, Bob Gibson, Joe DiMaggio, etc? I guess I just don't understand how HoF voters think.




Boyd Tesch -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/6/2016 6:11:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Boyd Tesch

Griffey and Pizza

Bagwell missed by 15 votes

Rains by 23 vote

Griffey 99%

all via Twitter


squares, or wedges?




Wedges




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/7/2016 12:21:24 PM)

The Brewers announced on Wednesday that they have signed slugging first baseman Chris Carter to a one-year contract. He’ll reportedly earn $2.5MM with the chance to add to that salary via performance incentives

Jon Heyman reports (via Twitter) that Carter can earn an additional $500K based on plate appearances, meaning his contract will max out at $3MM in 2016. That’s a lower baseline than the $4.175MM upon which his projected 2016 raise was based, meaning that even if Carter struggles similarly in terms of batting average this coming season, his projected price tag should come in south of this winter’s $5.6MM. And, if he does end up with a projection that sizable, it’ll likely be due to markedly increased performance, in which case the Brewers probably wouldn’t mind the salary bump.




MDK -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/7/2016 12:30:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: El Duderino

I don't get how Griffey gets the highest percentage ever. He absolutely should be in, but a higher percentage than Babe Ruth, Bob Gibson, Joe DiMaggio, etc? I guess I just don't understand how HoF voters think.

The problem isn't that Griffey gets a high percentage, the problem was with voters in the past who no matter who they were voting for, a few felt compelled to vote against obvious choices so there wouldn't be 1st ballot unanimous selections.

There were 9 voters out of 415 who didn't vote for Hank Aaron.
11 voters of 226 didn't vote for Ruth

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/top-10-mlb-hall-of-famers-by-highest-vote-percentage.html/?a=viewall

This year, a lot of the older baseball writers (who are probably senile and dependent of depends)

Immediately following the wildly successful Hall of Fame induction class this past summer, the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum’s Board of Directors announced significant and meaningful changes to the Baseball Writers’ Association of America’s electorate. One of the greatest feelings of animosity towards the voting process rested squarely on the shoulders of electors who were no longer active, but still possessed extraordinary power in bestowing baseball’s greatest honor upon a ball player. How could someone who hasn’t actively covered the sport in years honestly assess a ball player’s credentials in a day and age where comprehensive information is transmitted within seconds across several social media platforms?

Some of the dickhead voters refused to vote for anyone from the steroids era including Greg Maddoux and Randy Johnson.

Many are no longer eligible to vote.

And that is a good thing.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/7/2016 2:01:08 PM)

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/161233136/baseball-hall-of-fame-2017-results-predictions?partnerId=ed-9971191-658620023

predicting Bagwell/Raines next year

Chipper/Hoffman in 2018

Sandman/THome in 2019

Jetes/Pudge/Schilling in 2020




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/7/2016 2:19:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/161233136/baseball-hall-of-fame-2017-results-predictions?partnerId=ed-9971191-658620023

predicting Bagwell/Raines next year

Chipper/Hoffman in 2018

Sandman/THome in 2019

Jetes/Pudge/Schilling in 2020

All deserving. An exciting time at Cooperstown.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/7/2016 7:49:59 PM)

No SI jinx for Griffey and Piazza:

22 years ago, a Sports Illustrated cover hinted to this year's Hall of Fame class

http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2016/01/06/161201442/1994-sports-illustrated-cover-hints-to-2016-hall-of-fame-class?partnerId=as_mlb_20160107_57013686&adbid=684902828624736256&adbpl=tw&adbpr=241544156




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/7/2016 10:03:53 PM)

Injury prone OF DSpan 31 mill/3 years

Another example of why some kids will do anything to get to the bigs.




Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/8/2016 8:31:29 AM)

Utter insanity. Span the epitome of mediocre gets $31 million.




sixthwi -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/8/2016 10:22:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Injury prone OF DSpan 31 mill/3 years

Another example of why some kids will do anything to get to the bigs.


I had hoped Span would come back to the Twins for one year. But 3 for 31??? [sm=LAUGHY37.gif]




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/8/2016 10:36:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

I don't get how Griffey gets the highest percentage ever. He absolutely should be in, but a higher percentage than Babe Ruth, Bob Gibson, Joe DiMaggio, etc? I guess I just don't understand how HoF voters think.

The problem isn't that Griffey gets a high percentage, the problem was with voters in the past who no matter who they were voting for, a few felt compelled to vote against obvious choices so there wouldn't be 1st ballot unanimous selections.

There were 9 voters out of 415 who didn't vote for Hank Aaron.
11 voters of 226 didn't vote for Ruth

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/top-10-mlb-hall-of-famers-by-highest-vote-percentage.html/?a=viewall

This year, a lot of the older baseball writers (who are probably senile and dependent of depends)

Immediately following the wildly successful Hall of Fame induction class this past summer, the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum’s Board of Directors announced significant and meaningful changes to the Baseball Writers’ Association of America’s electorate. One of the greatest feelings of animosity towards the voting process rested squarely on the shoulders of electors who were no longer active, but still possessed extraordinary power in bestowing baseball’s greatest honor upon a ball player. How could someone who hasn’t actively covered the sport in years honestly assess a ball player’s credentials in a day and age where comprehensive information is transmitted within seconds across several social media platforms?

Some of the dickhead voters refused to vote for anyone from the steroids era including Greg Maddoux and Randy Johnson.

Many are no longer eligible to vote.

And that is a good thing.



I really don't get the idea that someone would not vote for a guy, not because they didn't think he deserved it, but because of some ridiculous ideal that nobody should be unanimous, or should get in on the first ballot. That's just stupid.

Either a guy is worthy or he isn't.

And that brings me to the limit of 10 on the ballot. Why not allow more if more were worthy?

Some of the most dominant players in the sport can't get a sniff at the hall because of the uppity nature of some of these nutjob writers.

They need to consider that even though PEDs are a negative to the sport there was no testing for it, Baseball's complicity is practically glaring, and the herculean feats these bloated behemoths saved the sport after the 1994 WS cancellation debacle. There was NOT EVEN A STANDARD IN PLACE TO PUNISH THESE PLAYERS. No rules to break, so they were breaking no rules.

That to me means Clemens, Palmeiro, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa and anyone else associated with the "steroid" era should be punished for it. The didn't break any rules and baseball was more than happy to look the other way while they were saving the sport with their PED enhanced bodies.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/8/2016 10:41:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

I don't get how Griffey gets the highest percentage ever. He absolutely should be in, but a higher percentage than Babe Ruth, Bob Gibson, Joe DiMaggio, etc? I guess I just don't understand how HoF voters think.


Percentages mean nothing.

A Guy that gets in on 75.0% of the vote is every bit a Hall of Famer as a guys with 99.3% of the vote.

What a previous player was voted in on shouldn't enter into the dialogue other than making a comparison with an established HOFer to a guy trying to get in...




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/8/2016 9:23:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Black 47

Utter insanity. Span the epitome of mediocre gets $31 million.


Let's be honest, paying Alex Gordon $72 million is even more insane!




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/8/2016 9:28:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MDK

quote:

ORIGINAL: El Duderino

I don't get how Griffey gets the highest percentage ever. He absolutely should be in, but a higher percentage than Babe Ruth, Bob Gibson, Joe DiMaggio, etc? I guess I just don't understand how HoF voters think.

The problem isn't that Griffey gets a high percentage, the problem was with voters in the past who no matter who they were voting for, a few felt compelled to vote against obvious choices so there wouldn't be 1st ballot unanimous selections.

There were 9 voters out of 415 who didn't vote for Hank Aaron.
11 voters of 226 didn't vote for Ruth

http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/top-10-mlb-hall-of-famers-by-highest-vote-percentage.html/?a=viewall

This year, a lot of the older baseball writers (who are probably senile and dependent of depends)

Immediately following the wildly successful Hall of Fame induction class this past summer, the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum’s Board of Directors announced significant and meaningful changes to the Baseball Writers’ Association of America’s electorate. One of the greatest feelings of animosity towards the voting process rested squarely on the shoulders of electors who were no longer active, but still possessed extraordinary power in bestowing baseball’s greatest honor upon a ball player. How could someone who hasn’t actively covered the sport in years honestly assess a ball player’s credentials in a day and age where comprehensive information is transmitted within seconds across several social media platforms?

Some of the dickhead voters refused to vote for anyone from the steroids era including Greg Maddoux and Randy Johnson.

Many are no longer eligible to vote.

And that is a good thing.


I understand (a little based upon the times) why Hank Aaron did not get 100% voting, although he should have. The dissenters were probably making a statement that no black athlete should get in on the first vote. When Aaron was inducted, there were not that many black ML baseball players in the HOF. How Babe Ruth did not receive unanimous voting shows how stupid the voting process truly is.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/8/2016 9:44:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: Black 47

Utter insanity. Span the epitome of mediocre gets $31 million.


Let's be honest, paying Alex Gordon $72 million is even more insane!


Take a look at Gordon's numbers. They are above average but well below outstanding. His career high OBP was last season at .377 but that is skewed because he only played in a 104 regular season games. His career K to BB ratio is 1000 to 468. And make no mistake, he strikes out a LOT! He has averaged one K per four AB over the past five seasons. I simply do not understand how a .269 career batter can be valued at $18 million per season. That is insanity in its purest form.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/12/2016 2:59:56 PM)

Lots of transactions going on. None involving the Twins, and that sucks.

You can recap here

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/




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