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SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/16/2016 7:51:20 PM)

Been thinking their self-imposed salary cap would be kicking in soon.


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oh wait ... that's us. Nevermind. Trendsetters, we are.



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2016 6:03:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

KC
Ian Kennedy

5 yrs

70 mill

I guess they needed to do something, having traded 3 huge prospects for Cueto

But Kennedy strikes me as a guy they'll regret having signed.


Kennedy was about as good as Hughes last season. Not sure about this investment?



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2016 9:14:59 PM)

The Detroit Tigers and free-agent outfielder Justin Upton have agreed to a six-year deal worth $132.75 million, a source told ESPN's Jerry Crasnick.

A three-time All-Star, the 28-year-old spent last season with the San Diego Padres and batted .251 with 26 homers and 81 RBIs.

With Upton agreeing to move to Detroit and Chris Davis agreeing to re-sign with the Baltimore Orioles, Yoenis Cespedes remains the biggest bat on the free agent market.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2016 9:15:58 PM)

Well, Tiggers trying to breathe one last gasp. Sign Justin Upton for 6 years/$132.5M. Man, that Alex Gordon deal is an absolute steal for KC. Years and dollars. What a deal. Partly it's because he's older, but Gordon absolutely gave KC a hometown discount.

Tigers' offense should be very good this year, but man, when that cliff comes (soon) it's going to get ugly really quickly:

2017:
Verlander: $28M
Miggy: $28M
Upton: $22M
Victor: $18M
Zimmermann: $18M
Sanchez: $16M
Kinsler: $11M
Pelfrey: $8M
Total: $149M, for 8 guys. Only one of which is under 30 by then.

2018:
Verlander: $28M
Miggy: $30M
Upton: $22M
Victor: $18M
Zimmermann: $24M
Sanchez/Kinsler: $5M buyouts each, or options
Total: $132M for 5 guys. Again, none of which are under 30. And by then salaries will be escalating for guys like Castellanos, JD Martinez, Iglesias, and Norris.

Ilitch just doesn't care, because he probably figures he'll be dead by then and it will be the new owner's problem.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2016 9:17:24 PM)

Beat me by 1 minute, Scott.

It's just nuts to me that he's getting only $1M less/yr than Heyward, albeit for 2 less years. Larry Reynolds is a hell of an agent.

And the Orioles are morons. What else is new? Davis provides nothing but power, and they completely bid against themselves as the only contending team on the market that needed a 1b. That contract is horrific.

Curious what Cespedes will get now. I think Fowler's going to end up being a bargain for someone, like Span was for the Giants. I'd MUCH rather have Span at 3/$31M than Upton at 6/$132.5M. Not even close.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2016 9:33:49 PM)

I don't see it happening (he'll get better offers) but if Fowler and his agent decide to do a 1-year deal and go in a much more shallower FA pool for OF'ers next year, I'd be all over that. 1 year/$10-12M, something along those lines. Would be a really good fit with our group and offer insurance for any injuries to Buxton. Also would offer a veteran presence and a nice defensive sub late in games for Sano/Arcia/Park in RF. And a baserunning threat as well. Not many balls finding green with an OF of Rosario/Buxton/Fowler.



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2016 10:24:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

The Detroit Tigers and free-agent outfielder Justin Upton have agreed to a six-year deal worth $132.75 million, a source told ESPN's Jerry Crasnick.

A three-time All-Star, the 28-year-old spent last season with the San Diego Padres and batted .251 with 26 homers and 81 RBIs.

With Upton agreeing to move to Detroit and Chris Davis agreeing to re-sign with the Baltimore Orioles, Yoenis Cespedes remains the biggest bat on the free agent market.



Wow! .251 BA gets you $22+ per season for six years. Well, I guess that makes the Mauer contract not look quite so bad so that is nice.



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2016 10:25:18 PM)

Al Avila has closely studied the Terry Ryan model ..... and decided to go as far as possible, the opposite way.
Results to be studied at a later time.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2016 10:27:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

The Detroit Tigers and free-agent outfielder Justin Upton have agreed to a six-year deal worth $132.75 million, a source told ESPN's Jerry Crasnick.

A three-time All-Star, the 28-year-old spent last season with the San Diego Padres and batted .251 with 26 homers and 81 RBIs.

With Upton agreeing to move to Detroit and Chris Davis agreeing to re-sign with the Baltimore Orioles, Yoenis Cespedes remains the biggest bat on the free agent market.



Wow! .251 BA gets you $22+ per season for six years. Well, I guess that makes the Mauer contract not look quite so bad so that is nice.


A .251 BA didn't get him that. NO GM looks at batting average like you do, Mark. None.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 7:26:04 AM)

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A .251 BA didn't get him that.


So, what did? one year of 30+ Hrs?(31)
One year of 100 rbi's, the only time he's been over 90(102rbi's)
Neither of these came in the same year. Normally mid-20s hrs and maybe upper 80s rbis.


Don't get this contract at all. Career numbers are not that great and he's going on 28.
Projected to hit 24 hrs/26 doubles/76 rbi's.
WHoopee

Over-rated. Big time.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 7:29:18 AM)

You ripped on Davis' numbers, but yet praise Upton's. Defense may play a bit of a factor,but offensively, Davis makes sense in that stadium.

Upton's numbers don't make sense at Comerica. I think it'll be one of the worst contracts doled out this year.



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 7:34:37 AM)

Baseball is rewarding mediocrity with these foolish contracts.

I get they're swimming in cash. Make better use of it to reward the grunts trying to get through the system, trying to make a living.



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 8:21:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Baseball is rewarding mediocrity with these foolish contracts.

I get they're swimming in cash. Make better use of it to reward the grunts trying to get through the system, trying to make a living.


I could not agree more Ed. I was appalled to find out what minor league players were being paid. I was under the impression that AAA guys were making around $100K. Well, they should be. ML players make too much and minor league players under below the poverty line. That makes no sense at all. [>:]



Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 8:23:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Baseball is rewarding mediocrity with these foolish contracts.

I get they're swimming in cash. Make better use of it to reward the grunts trying to get through the system, trying to make a living.


I could not agree more Ed. I was appalled to find out what minor league players were being paid. I was under the impression that AAA guys were making around $100K. Well, they should be. ML players make too much and minor league players under below the poverty line. That makes no sense at all. [>:]


In my opinion, it's why some players cheat, with regards to doping. With the riches in the bigs, who wouldn't want to get there at any cost?

Poverty line, indeed. It's appalling how little the guys in the minors make, vs the absurd dollars in the bigs.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 8:46:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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A .251 BA didn't get him that.


So, what did? one year of 30+ Hrs?(31)
One year of 100 rbi's, the only time he's been over 90(102rbi's)
Neither of these came in the same year. Normally mid-20s hrs and maybe upper 80s rbis.


Don't get this contract at all. Career numbers are not that great and he's going on 28.
Projected to hit 24 hrs/26 doubles/76 rbi's.
WHoopee

Over-rated. Big time.


An OPS+ of 121 and career OPS of .825 got him that, not that batting average. That's my point. No GM is looking at "batting average" anymore. Yet Mark keeps bringing up batting average as if it's relevant in today's baseball world. I'm not praising Upton's numbers at all. He's solid, as is Davis. Both are overpaid relative to the market IMO. Again, I'd much rather have Denard Span and his contract, or Heyward/Gordon, than either of those 2. Again, Gordon's contract was an absolute steal.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 8:49:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Baseball is rewarding mediocrity with these foolish contracts.

I get they're swimming in cash. Make better use of it to reward the grunts trying to get through the system, trying to make a living.


I could not agree more Ed. I was appalled to find out what minor league players were being paid. I was under the impression that AAA guys were making around $100K. Well, they should be. ML players make too much and minor league players under below the poverty line. That makes no sense at all. [>:]


In my opinion, it's why some players cheat, with regards to doping. With the riches in the bigs, who wouldn't want to get there at any cost?

Poverty line, indeed. It's appalling how little the guys in the minors make, vs the absurd dollars in the bigs.


Totally agree. And have always made that point. People act all self-righteous about steroids/HGH. Well, you have no idea until you're in those shoes. Imagine making $40-50K/year, and staring your lifelong dream in the face, where you can play 1-2 years and if you're smart, you're set for life. You're going to sit there and tell me you ABSOLUTELY wouldn't use? I don't buy it for a second.

Re: pay, it's all about power. The minor leaguers' just don't have anyone really fighting for them.



CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 10:25:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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A .251 BA didn't get him that.


So, what did? one year of 30+ Hrs?(31)
One year of 100 rbi's, the only time he's been over 90(102rbi's)
Neither of these came in the same year. Normally mid-20s hrs and maybe upper 80s rbis.


Don't get this contract at all. Career numbers are not that great and he's going on 28.
Projected to hit 24 hrs/26 doubles/76 rbi's.
WHoopee

Over-rated. Big time.


An OPS+ of 121 and career OPS of .825 got him that, not that batting average. That's my point. No GM is looking at "batting average" anymore. Yet Mark keeps bringing up batting average as if it's relevant in today's baseball world. I'm not praising Upton's numbers at all. He's solid, as is Davis. Both are overpaid relative to the market IMO. Again, I'd much rather have Denard Span and his contract, or Heyward/Gordon, than either of those 2. Again, Gordon's contract was an absolute steal.



Calling Alex Gordon's contract an "absolute steal" is a little over the top wouldn't you say Dustin? That home town discount argument is a bigger myth than the Big Foot legend.



twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 11:15:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Man, that Alex Gordon deal is an absolute steal for KC. Years and dollars. What a deal. Partly it's because he's older, but Gordon absolutely gave KC a hometown discount.

Thank you for confirming.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 11:32:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

A .251 BA didn't get him that.


So, what did? one year of 30+ Hrs?(31)
One year of 100 rbi's, the only time he's been over 90(102rbi's)
Neither of these came in the same year. Normally mid-20s hrs and maybe upper 80s rbis.


Don't get this contract at all. Career numbers are not that great and he's going on 28.
Projected to hit 24 hrs/26 doubles/76 rbi's.
WHoopee

Over-rated. Big time.


An OPS+ of 121 and career OPS of .825 got him that, not that batting average. That's my point. No GM is looking at "batting average" anymore. Yet Mark keeps bringing up batting average as if it's relevant in today's baseball world. I'm not praising Upton's numbers at all. He's solid, as is Davis. Both are overpaid relative to the market IMO. Again, I'd much rather have Denard Span and his contract, or Heyward/Gordon, than either of those 2. Again, Gordon's contract was an absolute steal.



Calling Alex Gordon's contract an "absolute steal" is a little over the top wouldn't you say Dustin? That home town discount argument is a bigger myth than the Big Foot legend.


Not over the top at all. In this current market, it's a steal. His contract is far better than those given to Davis and Upton. And with a lot less risk (4 years vs. 6+).



twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 12:21:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

A .251 BA didn't get him that.


So, what did? one year of 30+ Hrs?(31)
One year of 100 rbi's, the only time he's been over 90(102rbi's)
Neither of these came in the same year. Normally mid-20s hrs and maybe upper 80s rbis.


Don't get this contract at all. Career numbers are not that great and he's going on 28.
Projected to hit 24 hrs/26 doubles/76 rbi's.
WHoopee

Over-rated. Big time.


An OPS+ of 121 and career OPS of .825 got him that, not that batting average. That's my point. No GM is looking at "batting average" anymore. Yet Mark keeps bringing up batting average as if it's relevant in today's baseball world. I'm not praising Upton's numbers at all. He's solid, as is Davis. Both are overpaid relative to the market IMO. Again, I'd much rather have Denard Span and his contract, or Heyward/Gordon, than either of those 2. Again, Gordon's contract was an absolute steal.



Calling Alex Gordon's contract an "absolute steal" is a little over the top wouldn't you say Dustin? That home town discount argument is a bigger myth than the Big Foot legend.


Not over the top at all. In this current market, it's a steal. His contract is far better than those given to Davis and Upton. And with a lot less risk (4 years vs. 6+).

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SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2016 2:27:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Baseball is rewarding mediocrity with these foolish contracts.

I get they're swimming in cash. Make better use of it to reward the grunts trying to get through the system, trying to make a living.


I could not agree more Ed. I was appalled to find out what minor league players were being paid. I was under the impression that AAA guys were making around $100K. Well, they should be. ML players make too much and minor league players under below the poverty line. That makes no sense at all. [>:]


In my opinion, it's why some players cheat, with regards to doping. With the riches in the bigs, who wouldn't want to get there at any cost?

Poverty line, indeed. It's appalling how little the guys in the minors make, vs the absurd dollars in the bigs.

Agree completely.
Unfair distribution of the wealth.
And agree that it probably adds to the pressure to "use".



SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/20/2016 12:42:20 AM)

Milwaukee Brewers catcher Jonathan Lucroy told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Tuesday that he would like to be traded to a contender.

The Brewers are in full rebuilding mode under new general manager David Stearns, and Lucroy told the newspaper that he wants to play for a winner.

"I'm not going to sit here and say we're going to compete for the playoffs this year," Lucroy told the newspaper in a telephone interview. "If I did that, you'd call me a liar. I'd lose credibility and respect. I want to win, and I don't see us winning in the foreseeable future. I want to go to a World Series. That's what all players want. Rebuilding is not a lot of fun for any veteran guy."

Sterns has traded closer Francisco Rodriguez to the Tigers and first baseman Adam Lind to the Mariners this offseason after the team finished 68-94 last season.

Lucroy, 29, is scheduled to make $4 million next season, while the Brewers hold a $5.25 million club option on the catcher for 2017.

With his birthday coming in June, Lucroy wants to win sooner rather than later.

"It's not guaranteed that I'm going to win if I am traded, but I'm going to be a 30-year-old catcher," he said. "I can't put numbers on how much longer I'm going to play, but as players, we want to win. I don't care about the money. I just want to win. That's the bottom line."

Lucroy made it clear he isn't demanding to be traded, and if he's with the Brewers next season, he vows to give the team his all.

"If I stay with the Brewers, I'm not going to go out and dog it," he told the newspaper. "I'm not going to be a bad teammate. I'm not going to be a bad clubhouse guy. I'm not going to be bitter. It's just part of the game."

Lucroy was an All-Star in 2014, when he posted a .301 batting average and hit an NL-best 53 doubles, 13 home runs and 69 RBIs. A broken toe and concussion limited him to just 103 games last season, when he batted .264 with seven homers and 43 RBIs.

He told the Journal Sentinel he has "been getting after it" in offseason workouts and is "a lot stronger than I've been in a long time."

"I have a chip on my shoulder, and I plan on going out and showing people I'm perfectly fine," he told the newspaper.



Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/20/2016 1:42:24 AM)

Not to mention playing in that crappy stadium. I'd want out too. Has to be one of the worst cities to play in.



Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/20/2016 1:48:30 AM)

One of these years hell is going to freeze over and the Twins are going to make the world series and MLB is going to get burned so bad with a world series played in 20 degrees and snow. Playing baseball in the last week of October is absurd. Wouldnt it be somethig f they moved the world series to US Bank Stadium? Probably wouldn't even be allowed. Sounds like the field at US Bank won't even have MLB dimensions because the Vikings were such pains in the asses to deal with they refused to move the seats back.



djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/20/2016 10:43:26 AM)

The Brewers' stadium isn't horrible. It's pretty nice other than the fact that it's a retractable one. Which brings me to point B. Baseball was meant to be played outdoors. MLB just needs to be smarter about scheduling. But I'm not sure there's anything I'd change about Target Field. It's a wonderful stadium, top 5 in the sport IMO. No way do I ever want to go back to the days of a dome for baseball, or even a retractable one. And no way should MLB baseball ever be played in a football stadium. The sightlines just don't work for both. Never have. Never will. It's why there's only 1 of them left in the country, in Oakland. And that's only because MLB keeps screwing the A's over re: the Giants. They should have been playing baseball in Fremont almost a decade ago now.

On Lucroy, still sign me up. I'd try to package Suzuki and Ryan to them plus 1-2 pitching prospects. He's a perfect fit. I'm resigned to the fact the Twins won't though. But some team's going to get a very solid catcher; I'm guessing the Dodgers?



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