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Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/16/2014 11:03:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

I want instant replay, no question. They have found a way, however, to implement it in the most irritating way possible. So dumb.



So Major League Baseball.


Shakin' my head.

Only Bud could oversee something as absurd as this.

You need one guy per stadium -- or hell, one guy in New York -- with a bank of TVs. Close play, ump buzzes the office; 30 seconds later they have reviewed and tell him what the proper call is. No need for this Micky Mouse crap.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/16/2014 9:52:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

MLB owners unanimously approved the new expanded replay system back in November, a system that will include two manager's challenges per game. The players' and umpires' unions still need to sign off on the system before it can be implemented, but that is expected to happen soon.

One of the biggest concerns about the new system was the "neighborhood play" at second base -- when infielders step on the area around the base but not the base itself while turning double plays. It happens a handful of times each game and it would be an easily challengeable call.

According to Jon Morosi of Fox Sports, the MLBPA has requested that the "neighborhood play" not be reviewable:

Manager can challenge flat-out missed catch -- Kozma at World Series -- but not timing of when player caught ball while coming across bag.


Ummm, I suggested this two seasons ago. A format similar to the NFL. [&o]



And I agree, all challenges in baseball including HR review suck! [:(]

Let me understand this. You suggested the idea, but it sucks? [;)]



Yup! I would prefer no replays at all including HR. But if they must have replay, then implement two dugout challenges per team. And HR no longer would be automatic replay. They would require the use of a challenge.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/17/2014 8:52:59 AM)

Reviewable plays:

• Ground-rule double
• Fan interference
• Stadium boundary calls
• Force play*
• Tag play
• Fair/foul in outfield only
• Trap play in outfield only
• Batter hit by pitch
• Timing play
• Touching a base (requires appeal)
• Passing runners
• Record keeping


*Except fielder's touching of second on double play


Where they come up with this stuff is beyond me. They can review fair/foul and trap plays in the outfield, but not in the infield. What does that even mean? How about a dart down the 3rd base line that ends up in the corner? Is that an infield call (not reviewable) or an outfield call (reviewable)? Preposterous!




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/17/2014 8:53:43 AM)

And what is Record keeping??????




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/17/2014 9:02:51 AM)

Stark:

What about the call in the first inning that nobody knows at the time is going to change the game, but does, because it goes unchallenged and never gets corrected?

There are going to be a whole bunch of those calls coming, you know. And why? Because managers are going to have only one challenge to play with. That's why. (Two, at the max, if they get the first one right. But they can't be sure of that.)

So think about it. One or two or five outs into a game, is any manager going to dare to use up his challenge on a call that seems like Not A Big Enough Deal at the time?

A fair ball called foul, perhaps? Or a pitch that grazes a hitter's jersey that the ump doesn't see? Or a catch that's called a trap -- for a seemingly innocent single -- with two outs and nobody on?

Those plays, those calls, can wind up changing games, too. But the way the replay architectural committee has described how it sold this system to the 30 managers, I'd bet almost no calls like those get challenged in the first inning or two.

Too risky.

Now it wouldn't have been too risky under a slew of alternative systems that baseball could have adopted, but it's definitely too dangerous under this system, which Torre and his group have been spinning to managers by likening it to another big decision they have to make every night.

"I said, 'Just look at this as something you've never had before,'" Torre said. "And use it as a strategy. … And the fact that you only have two [challenges], even if you're right -- it's like having a pinch hitter.' Tony and I have talked about it. It's like, 'When are you going to use this guy?'"

Well, that's an excellent analogy, if you're trying to make a manager understand that replay strategy is now another fun-filled, second-guess fest that has just been added to his job description. Whoop-de-doo.


That's the sense I get too. They are trying to sell this is some sort of fun strategy to utilize. Kind of like the NFL challenge system. It's like they want the fans to criticize the manager the next day around the water cooler for doing this or not doing that. The more controversy the better. Why would former managers like Torre and LaRussa do this to their brethren? Maybe it's a power thing. Or maybe now that they are out of the managing game, they want to make it tougher on the current managers. Very weird.

Like Dave said, just have a team of "officials" in NY watching the games. Pay them $60,000 a year to watch baseball games all day. If they suck at it, hire someone else that's willing to do it. Buzz them when it's time to take a closer look at a play. I could live with that solution. (although I don't like replay at all, I can see the argument for something like this)

The system they have chosen is terrible.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/17/2014 9:26:30 AM)

I also haven't seen any guidance on how they will fix certain blown calls. How many bases on a ball that was originally ruled a catch, but upon review was actually a trap? How far does each baserunner advance? Should there be more bases awarded if there were 2 outs and the runners were off on contact? Or how about if it was a hit and run? What if it could have been a double play (outfield catch and throw to base after runner was already around the next base)?

The more I think about it, the more I hate replay. And I've hated it from the beginning.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/17/2014 10:12:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

And what is Record keeping??????



Ummm, changing the official scoring of a play from an error to no error, catch or no catch based upon the ruling on the field.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/17/2014 10:14:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

And what is Record keeping??????



Ummm, changing the official scoring of a play from an error to no error, catch or no catch based upon the ruling on the field.

That has no effect on the game.

Plus, they could always do that anyway. They would often change rulings later in a game or sometimes even the next day.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/17/2014 10:17:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Stark:

What about the call in the first inning that nobody knows at the time is going to change the game, but does, because it goes unchallenged and never gets corrected?

There are going to be a whole bunch of those calls coming, you know. And why? Because managers are going to have only one challenge to play with. That's why. (Two, at the max, if they get the first one right. But they can't be sure of that.)

So think about it. One or two or five outs into a game, is any manager going to dare to use up his challenge on a call that seems like Not A Big Enough Deal at the time?

A fair ball called foul, perhaps? Or a pitch that grazes a hitter's jersey that the ump doesn't see? Or a catch that's called a trap -- for a seemingly innocent single -- with two outs and nobody on?

Those plays, those calls, can wind up changing games, too. But the way the replay architectural committee has described how it sold this system to the 30 managers, I'd bet almost no calls like those get challenged in the first inning or two.

Too risky.

Now it wouldn't have been too risky under a slew of alternative systems that baseball could have adopted, but it's definitely too dangerous under this system, which Torre and his group have been spinning to managers by likening it to another big decision they have to make every night.

"I said, 'Just look at this as something you've never had before,'" Torre said. "And use it as a strategy. … And the fact that you only have two [challenges], even if you're right -- it's like having a pinch hitter.' Tony and I have talked about it. It's like, 'When are you going to use this guy?'"

Well, that's an excellent analogy, if you're trying to make a manager understand that replay strategy is now another fun-filled, second-guess fest that has just been added to his job description. Whoop-de-doo.


That's the sense I get too. They are trying to sell this is some sort of fun strategy to utilize. Kind of like the NFL challenge system. It's like they want the fans to criticize the manager the next day around the water cooler for doing this or not doing that. The more controversy the better. Why would former managers like Torre and LaRussa do this to their brethren? Maybe it's a power thing. Or maybe now that they are out of the managing game, they want to make it tougher on the current managers. Very weird.

Like Dave said, just have a team of "officials" in NY watching the games. Pay them $60,000 a year to watch baseball games all day. If they suck at it, hire someone else that's willing to do it. Buzz them when it's time to take a closer look at a play. I could live with that solution. (although I don't like replay at all, I can see the argument for something like this)

The system they have chosen is terrible.



This replay issue is going to finally force Gardy into retirement because the Twins cannot seem to do so. Can you imagine him having to actually make a decision late in the game to use a challenge up? He has a difficult time worrying about losing the DH with his three-catcher roster. How the heck is he going to figure this one out? [sm=moe.gif]

Because of the Gardy factor, I heartily endorse any system of challenges that makes Gardy look even more like the idiot he already is.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/17/2014 10:21:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

And what is Record keeping??????



Ummm, changing the official scoring of a play from an error to no error, catch or no catch based upon the ruling on the field.

That has no effect on the game.

Plus, they could always do that anyway. They would often change rulings later in a game or sometimes even the next day.



Maybe they will take away the pitch count on the scoreboard or the home team scorekeeper will periodically adjust it throughout the game to deliberately drive Ron Gardenhire crazy when he is the visiting manager. That is an element of recordkeeping. If this were to be the case, Paul Molitor had better have a clicker and he had better be paying attention. Oh, and he won't need a clicker with three digit viewing for this team.




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2014 11:26:12 AM)

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Because of the Gardy factor, I heartily endorse any system of challenges that makes Gardy look even more like the idiot he already is.


As sinister as it sounds, I'm in favor of anything that will cause him to have a complete and total (very public) emotional breakdown.

Could you imagine Ryan and the Pohlads? They'd probably push RA into the manager role and give him the "interim" tag. I bet Gardy could be carted off in a straight jacket on a gurney and they'd still keep the seat warm for him for a year--out of "loyalty"




Black 47 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2014 2:18:55 PM)

It's very disheartening to know these young guys coming up are gonna be developed and molded by Gardy, Anderson, and the "Twins way". So stale. So sickening. And they just won't go away.




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2014 2:32:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Black 47

It's very disheartening to know these young guys coming up are gonna be developed and molded by Gardy, Anderson, and the "Twins way". So stale. So sickening. And they just won't go away.


I'm afraid Gardenhire is going to give old Walt Alston a run for his money with the service time.

I expect Gardy to battle through a couple more 95+ loss seasons. [sm=boxing.gif]




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2014 3:04:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Black 47

It's very disheartening to know these young guys coming up are gonna be developed and molded by Gardy, Anderson, and the "Twins way". So stale. So sickening. And they just won't go away.



Welcome to the board Black 47. I could not agree more. [sm=thumb.gif]




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2014 3:25:30 PM)

I swear to God I am not double posting either[&:]




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2014 3:32:28 PM)

With pitchers and catchers less than a month away I suppose we'll hear plenty about Pinto pretty soon. And course, we'll hear quite bit about his lack of polish or defensive skills--especially if he's hitting the ball out of the park and batting over .300. Meanwhile Sushi isn't anything more than backup catcher. But again, I can see the Twins becoming enamored with him being a "pro" even if he can barely hit his weight.

Don't know where the runs are going to come from with this team. Guys like Hughes and Nolasco are going to find out in short order that Ws are going to hard to come by the way this team scores runs.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/18/2014 10:22:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

With pitchers and catchers less than a month away I suppose we'll hear plenty about Pinto pretty soon. And course, we'll hear quite bit about his lack of polish or defensive skills--especially if he's hitting the ball out of the park and batting over .300. Meanwhile Sushi isn't anything more than backup catcher. But again, I can see the Twins becoming enamored with him being a "pro" even if he can barely hit his weight.

Don't know where the runs are going to come from with this team. Guys like Hughes and Nolasco are going to find out in short order that Ws are going to hard to come by the way this team scores runs.



Yeah, and that asshole Bert Blyleven will be the person to deliver the news. [:'(]




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2014 10:28:48 AM)

wrong thread




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/19/2014 11:00:41 PM)

Insider from Olney


The 30 Linchpin Players of 2014 [image]http://a.espncdn.com/i/in.gif[/image]
January, 19, 2014 By Buster Olney
[image]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0119/mlb_g_castro-bogaerts-martinez_576x324.jpg[/image]Starlin Castro, Xander Bogaerts and Victor Martinez will have to play key roles for their teams in 2014.The Cardinals would love for a strong season from Matt Adams, but you know what? If he requires more time to settle in as a regular, they’ve got enough other parts to win without a big contribution from the first baseman. The same could be said for Ryan Zimmerman; the Nationals don’t have to have a big season from him, and the Giants probably aren’t banking on a Cy Young-caliber season from Tim Lincecum.

But beyond the obvious stars, like a Miguel Cabrera, Adam Wainwright or Mike Trout, each of the 30 teams has a player whose performance will be most pivotal.

Presenting: The linchpin players of 2014:

Arizona Diamondbacks: Miguel Montero. They greatly value him, and they’re paying him to be a key part of their lineup. When he didn’t hit last season, it really, really hurt; he must be an effective complement to Paul Goldschmidt.

Atlanta Braves: Justin Upton. The Braves could really use bounce-back seasons from Dan Uggla and B.J. Upton, but neither is going to fundamentally change as a hitter; both have been prone to streaks of good and bad.

But as Upton demonstrated last season, he was a transformative player for this lineup. When he hit well, other weaknesses were greatly obscured, and when he struggled, there seemed to be a ripple effect throughout the lineup. Freddie Freeman is the team’s best hitter, Jason Heyward is improving, but Upton is the linchpin guy.

Baltimore Orioles: Manny Machado. They really haven’t done much in the way of roster augmentation this winter, so if the O’s are to have any chance to contend in 2014, their key guys must click, and this means a rapid recovery from Machado, who is coming off knee surgery.

Boston Red Sox: Xander Bogaerts. Jacoby Ellsbury is gone, and Stephen Drew might be gone, and the Red Sox are comfortable because they have arguably the best young player (in the generation following Mike Trout, Machado and Bryce Harper) in Bogaerts. He awed veteran players with his poise and play in the postseason, and if he plays at least a steady shortstop and has as much of an immediate impact as Machado did, the Red Sox will move a long way toward making up for Ellsbury’s lost production.

Bogaerts was welcomed home after his postseason showing, writes Scott Lauber.

Honorable mention: David Ortiz. It’s hard to overstate how important he is to their offense.

Chicago Cubs: Starlin Castro. Rick Renteria was chosen to manage this team in part because of his reputation for being great with players from Latin America, and the timing of this is not a coincidence, given the recent troubles of Castro. The shortstop's regression is not quite a full-blown crisis, but with another bad season, it would be, because the Cubs have invested a lot of money in him and they need him to be good. Look at his OPS by year:

2010: .755
2011: .773
2012: .753
2013: .631

Chicago White Sox: Jose Abreu. They paid him a lot of money to fortify a fading core of hitters, and now they need him to deliver.

Cincinnati Reds: Billy Hamilton. In a perfect world, Hamilton would be eased into the big leagues, placed at the bottom of the lineup and forgotten at the outset of his major league development. But this is a team built amid high expectations, and in the aftermath of the departure of Shin-Soo Choo, there are sabermetric models that suggest Cincinnati will take a significant step back this season. The Reds need Hamilton, with his unique skill set, to be a really effective player right away.

The Reds will be relying on their core players.

Cleveland Indians: Asdrubal Cabrera. He’s a mystery among some rival evaluators right now, because they’ve seen in the past how good he can be. The Indians believe he’ll recover this season, an important year in his career; Cabrera will be eligible for free agency in the fall.

Colorado Rockies: Tyler Chatwood. He had a good first half, and a good September, and as always for the Rockies, they will go only so far as their pitching takes them. If Chatwood continues to develop, the Rockies will have some hope for the rotation with him, Jorge De La Rosa and Jhoulys Chacin.

Detroit Tigers: Victor Martinez. The Tigers have a more diverse offense than in 2012 and 2013, but with Prince Fielder now gone, they won’t have as much thump in the middle of their order. So Martinez needs to clean up in the opportunities he’ll have while hitting behind Cabrera and the other guys at the top of the Detroit lineup. And above all else, the Tigers need Martinez to stay healthy.


[image]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0828/mlb_g_springer44_cr_288.jpg[/image]
Brace Hemmelgarn/Minnesota Twins/Getty ImagesThe Astros are going to lose, but players like George Springer could keep fans hopeful for the future.Houston Astros: George Springer. Nothing is going to prevent the Astros from at least flirting with 100 losses again, because they’re still in the process of collecting and developing talent while inhabiting one of baseball’s most competitive divisions. But Springer’s progress will be noteworthy through the year. If the Astros follow the Rays’ model of slow-playing their prospects through the minor leagues, Springer will spend at least half the season in Triple-A, where he excelled last season, with an OPS over 1.000. The Astros’ fans need hope, and Springer will represent that this year.

Kansas City Royals: Eric Hosmer. Again. He had a solid second half last season, and if he does that again, the Royals’ lineup should be deep and dangerous. If he takes a step back, well, that would be crushing.

Los Angeles Angels: Hector Santiago. Jered Weaver returned from the disabled list to pitch effectively last season, and C.J. Wilson has actually been underrated in his first two seasons with the Angels. Mike Scioscia needs a consistent third wheel in this rotation, for the sake of the bullpen, as well as the rotation, and the newly acquired Santiago could be that. Sure, a full healthy season from Albert Pujols is needed, but the lineup should be good either way. The rotation performance, on the other hand, will be pivotal.

Los Angeles Dodgers: Yasiel Puig. The Dodgers have exhausted a lot of internal energy trying to help Puig in all the ways he needs help because he can be that good. The Dodgers have great pitching, but their lineup has its holes -- this is a team that finished 17th in the majors in runs last season -- and another dynamic showing from Puig really is imperative.

Miami Marlins: Giancarlo Stanton. It’s a big year for Stanton and the Marlins. They have to have him in the lineup, a centerpiece surrounded by other complementary pieces, and he needs to stay healthy, to erase the growing industry concerns about his sturdiness. If the Marlins aren’t going to be able to sign Stanton to a long-term deal, they need him to establish his highest possible trade value.

Milwaukee Brewers: Khris Davis. He had an OPS of .949 in 56 games last season, and the Brewers think enough of him to plan for the possible shift of Ryan Braun from left field to right field to make room. There may be questions about whether he will ever have a natural position, but he is a really intriguing offensive player.

Minnesota Twins: Byron Buxton. The Twins have upgraded their rotation, spending a lot of money on free agents, and should win more games. But in the big picture, whatever happens in the big leagues won’t be as important to the Twins as the continued development of this young outfielder, one of the most dynamic talents in the sport.

New York Mets: Zack Wheeler. It’s another year of development for the Mets, as they continue to slowly construct a rotation worthy of contending for the division, and Wheeler’s progress this season will be the most important development for this team.

New York Yankees: CC Sabathia. He is sliding downward on the back side of his career; this is inarguable, given the decline in his fastball velocity and the rise in his ERA. But when the Yankees worked out an extension with Sabathia, it was a calculated bet that Sabathia could continue to be a productive pitcher even in his final years, and given the composition of the rest of the rotation, the Yankees need the veteran left-hander to at least be competitive. The fact that he had a 5.20 ERA last season tells you there were times when he was not.

Oakland Athletics: Sonny Gray. Welcome to the world of the Oakland Athletics (and Rays and a handful of other teams), in which young players must not only contribute but also lead. Gray showed his great stuff in the postseason last year, and within the 2014 model of the Athletics, he really needs to be at least a No. 3-type starter. He could be better than that.

Philadelphia Phillies: Ryan Howard. Rewind; play back. They’ve paid him to be a huge part of this offense, and because of injuries and struggles, this hasn’t really happened the past couple of seasons. Howard is owed $85 million over the next three seasons, including a $10 million buyout option for 2017, so he’s not going anywhere.

Pittsburgh Pirates: Pedro Alvarez. The Pirates don’t have a deep lineup around Andrew McCutchen, but Alvarez is a lightning-strike type of player with his power. He hit 30 homers in 2012 and 36 in 2013, and this may be the year in which he hits 40-45.

St. Louis Cardinals: Michael Wacha. The Cardinals are loaded with great young pitching, and Wacha was overpowering in the innings he threw late last season, into the playoffs and World Series. It might be a lot to ask him for more of the same over the course of his first full season in the big leagues, but the Cardinals do need him to have at least a good year, behind ace Adam Wainwright.

San Diego Padres: Chase Headley. At this point, rival execs regard it as a foregone conclusion that Headley is going to be traded by July 31, so it’ll be important for the Padres that he has a strong first half. If that happens, and the San Diego rotation improves, as expected, the Padres could be better than predicted.

San Francisco Giants: Tim Hudson. The Giants took a big step back in 2013, out of contention, because of the regression of their rotation, and they bet a good two-year contract that Hudson can help this group of starters recover. They cannot afford for him to get hit with injuries because they simply don’t have a lot of depth in their rotation.

Seattle Mariners: Robinson Cano. Naturally. Remember how Barry Bonds used to carry the Giants’ lineup? Well, this is sort of the situation that Cano faces this year, and the question will be whether he’ll remain patient and wait for his opportunities or if he’ll get frustrated and expand his strike zone. There is still time, of course, for the Mariners to make other moves to take pressure off Cano, such as the addition of Nelson Cruz.

Tampa Bay Rays: Alex Cobb. Whether they retain David Price or not, the Rays need Cobb to follow up on his strong 2013 showing. If Cobb pitches at an All-Star level and Price remains, this could be an incredibly dangerous Tampa Bay team.

Texas Rangers: Prince Fielder. They bet big on him, and they’re counting on him at a time when some rival evaluators have some doubts about whether he can still be a top-notch offensive player.

Toronto Blue Jays: Brandon Morrow. They haven’t added rotation help yet, so the return of Morrow sets up to be an enormous factor for Toronto's starting pitching.

Washington Nationals: Bryce Harper. He looked ridiculously good in spring training, but injuries limited him to just 118 games. The Nationals have to have him on the field, and if that happens, he inevitably will become one of the game’s best players. He’s 21 years old and he’s already had seasons in which he posted an OPS+ of 118 and 133.

Let’s put it another way: If Harper plays 150 games, it’s hard to imagine the Nationals failing to make the playoffs.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/20/2014 1:25:04 PM)

So Cleveland believes Carlos Santana can play 3rd base, after a few years of catching.

Must be because he's not pear-shaped. [:D]




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/20/2014 3:09:33 PM)

CC Skinny...looks weird.

Must be because he doesn't have a cap on, and off-center at that.


http://extramustard.si.com/2014/01/20/cc-sabathia-skinny/




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/20/2014 6:09:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

CC Skinny...looks weird.

Must be because he doesn't have a cap on, and off-center at that.


http://extramustard.si.com/2014/01/20/cc-sabathia-skinny/



I wonder if his salary will be reduced because they are getting less Fatbathia.

Now, if only a certain someone would get on the weights and come to training camp looking like an athlete.




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/21/2014 3:30:58 PM)

Well, time to quit following baseball: Tommy Lasorda says that A-Rod has singlehandedly ruined the game.

It was a good run while it lasted.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/21/2014 3:37:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

Well, time to quit following baseball: Tommy Lasorda says that A-Rod has singlehandedly ruined the game.

It was a good run while it lasted.



[&:][&:][&:][&:]




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/21/2014 3:38:23 PM)

I see Yahoo reporting the union wanted to kick A-Rod out,too. [8|]




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