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Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/9/2014 8:37:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

And how exactly does Len justify his privilege to vote by casting a vote for Jacque Jones? Please explain this to me.


LeVelle of all people should talk. I'm no Pedro Martinez fan, but if you recall he left Martinez off the MVP ballot (along with a NY sportswriter) just to make a point.
Before he speaks out on this debacle he needs to ask himself...is this really any different than what he did?

I'm not so sure it is


I almost pity him, making a fool of himself like this.  There are guys with votes who cover golf, for crying out loud.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 8:33:59 AM)

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Country star Aldean to perform at four big league parks




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 8:39:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

And how exactly does Len justify his privilege to vote by casting a vote for Jacque Jones? Please explain this to me.


LeVelle of all people should talk. I'm no Pedro Martinez fan, but if you recall he left Martinez off the MVP ballot (along with a NY sportswriter) just to make a point.
Before he speaks out on this debacle he needs to ask himself...is this really any different than what he did?

I'm not so sure it is


I almost pity him, making a fool of himself like this.  There are guys with votes who cover golf, for crying out loud.

And guys like Barreiro have votes, and his only connection to baseball these days is 1) pleading for Black Jack Morris and 2) bitching about Joe Mauer. The fact that Barreiro has a vote is ridiculous. Do you really think he's doing his due diligence in checking out out the credentials for each candidate? He won't even let his listeners know who he voted for (other than, I assume, Black Jack Morris). He's not even a sportswriter anymore, and hasn't been one for 10 years.




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 9:55:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

And how exactly does Len justify his privilege to vote by casting a vote for Jacque Jones? Please explain this to me.


LeVelle of all people should talk. I'm no Pedro Martinez fan, but if you recall he left Martinez off the MVP ballot (along with a NY sportswriter) just to make a point.
Before he speaks out on this debacle he needs to ask himself...is this really any different than what he did?

I'm not so sure it is


I almost pity him, making a fool of himself like this.  There are guys with votes who cover golf, for crying out loud.

And guys like Barreiro have votes, and his only connection to baseball these days is 1) pleading for Black Jack Morris and 2) bitching about Joe Mauer. The fact that Barreiro has a vote is ridiculous. Do you really think he's doing his due diligence in checking out out the credentials for each candidate? He won't even let his listeners know who he voted for (other than, I assume, Black Jack Morris). He's not even a sportswriter anymore, and hasn't been one for 10 years.


He barely keeps up with the Twins, much less baseball.  How he is more qualified to vote on the HOF than anyone on this board is beyond me.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 2:31:11 PM)

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 3:14:24 PM)

Very succinctly put by HOFer Greg Maddox:
(what a horrible double chin on the guy, btw)
http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=31294925&topic_id=6003532
Watch for the 3:30 mark.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 3:16:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Very succinctly put by HOFer Greg Maddox:
(what a horrible double chin on the guy, btw)
http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=31294925&topic_id=6003532
Watch for the 3:30 mark.



"I never understood the pitch to contact concept".....


HOF'er, neither do a number of Twins fans.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 4:47:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

quote:

ORIGINAL: ewen21

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

And how exactly does Len justify his privilege to vote by casting a vote for Jacque Jones? Please explain this to me.


LeVelle of all people should talk. I'm no Pedro Martinez fan, but if you recall he left Martinez off the MVP ballot (along with a NY sportswriter) just to make a point.
Before he speaks out on this debacle he needs to ask himself...is this really any different than what he did?

I'm not so sure it is


I almost pity him, making a fool of himself like this.  There are guys with votes who cover golf, for crying out loud.

And guys like Barreiro have votes, and his only connection to baseball these days is 1) pleading for Black Jack Morris and 2) bitching about Joe Mauer. The fact that Barreiro has a vote is ridiculous. Do you really think he's doing his due diligence in checking out out the credentials for each candidate? He won't even let his listeners know who he voted for (other than, I assume, Black Jack Morris). He's not even a sportswriter anymore, and hasn't been one for 10 years.


He barely keeps up with the Twins, much less baseball.  How he is more qualified to vote on the HOF than anyone on this board is beyond me.


IMO, HOF voting should be drawn to the mean for "qualified and authenticated votes". What I saying is that votes casts for obscure players like Jacques Jones by one sportswriter should be entirely ignored. Similarly, if 70% of the voters voted for a guy like Craig Biggio, or let's call it 74.8%, and the same voters did not vote for players like Maddux, Glavine and Thomas who were voted in by the majority, then their entire ballot should be tossed out. What this method would do is ignore the extremists votes. It would be similar to eliminating votes from extreme liberals to extreme conservatives in a political election. Get the majority opinion rather than allowing a few imbeciles to impact the decision-making.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 4:51:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Very succinctly put by HOFer Greg Maddox:
(what a horrible double chin on the guy, btw)
http://wapc.mlb.com/play?content_id=31294925&topic_id=6003532
Watch for the 3:30 mark.



I saw that double-chinner look. This is surprising since you would think an ex-player who knows he is HOF eligible would get himself trimmed up for the occasion. It is similar to going to a high school reunion five years apart and putting on 40 pounds in-between. It appears that is about what has happened with Maddux since his retirement.




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 9:32:43 PM)

I looked up Maddux's age and found that we are one week apart. I've come to the conclusion the only way he could look like that is if he: a) is a heavy drinker, b) has a bad diet, c) never works out EVER or d) all of the above.

I'm going with D. It takes work to fall that fast. He was pitching not long ago and he looks so much different now.

As a matter of fact, my cousin's husband told me that he met Greg Maddux when he was golfing in Myrtle Beach years ago (probably in the mid 90s). This is when he was with the Braves and still very much a star. It had to been during the winter or late fall. Anyway, he said that he and his friends were getting out for a late round and he saw Maddux at the club's bar as he was getting some cold ones to take out on the course. It was early afternoon, but he said Maddux was drinking the hard stuff (most likely scotch or whiskey) and seemed well into it. If you're 30 or so and doing that you are a drinker.




ewen21 -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/10/2014 9:37:06 PM)

I also heard that Pedro Martinez is a heavy drinker. When the Mets signed him this guy I know from the Dominican (a guy who is about 70 now and not a big baseball fan) told me that Pedro drinks like a fish in the Dominican. He said the Mets made a mistake signing the guy because he is a drunk AND a lunatic.




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 9:54:33 AM)

Can you imagine what Joe is going to look like at his HOF induction?  He'll be lucky to be under three bills.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 10:40:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

Can you imagine what Joe is going to look like at his HOF induction?  He'll be lucky to be under three bills.

Three quarters of it south of his belt, too ....




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 11:23:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

Can you imagine what Joe is going to look like at his HOF induction?  He'll be lucky to be under three bills.


Actually, this is not entirely a joke. Did anyone think that skinny Herbie who came into the league as a lean 6'4" player who probably weighed no more than 195 lbs would end up at 3 Bills three years after retirement?




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 11:33:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.




Jeez, I hope this bad contract doesn't sink the Yankees
Can't keep a straight face when I say that
Crap happens every year
You never hear them say
"That will sure limit what we do going forward"
You move on
Real ownership isn't concerned with dwelling on mistakes.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 11:48:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.






Jeez, I hope this bad contract doesn't sink the Yankees
Can't keep a straight face when I say that
Crap happens every year
You never hear them say
"That will sure limit what we do going forward"
You move on
Real ownership isn't concerned with dwelling on mistakes.


And 2.4 mill is a cheap mistake for NYY. in MN it would be HUGE money. They never admitted Capps was a mistake.

Only cost MN well over 14 mill and a starting catcher who can hit HRs. [&o]




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 11:51:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.






Jeez, I hope this bad contract doesn't sink the Yankees
Can't keep a straight face when I say that
Crap happens every year
You never hear them say
"That will sure limit what we do going forward"
You move on
Real ownership isn't concerned with dwelling on mistakes.


And 2.4 mill is a cheap mistake for NYY. in MN it would be HUGE money. They never admitted Capps was a mistake.

Only cost MN well over 14 mill and a starting catcher who can hit HRs. [&o]


OK, so nobody is worried that Vernon Wells is now available for Captain Ron and Terry Ryan to acquire?




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 12:19:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.






Jeez, I hope this bad contract doesn't sink the Yankees
Can't keep a straight face when I say that
Crap happens every year
You never hear them say
"That will sure limit what we do going forward"
You move on
Real ownership isn't concerned with dwelling on mistakes.


And 2.4 mill is a cheap mistake for NYY. in MN it would be HUGE money. They never admitted Capps was a mistake.

Only cost MN well over 14 mill and a starting catcher who can hit HRs. [&o]



The Capps two-year contract threatens the Blackturd contract as the worst in team history. Toss in the Joe Mays deal and you have the perfect trifecta of stupidity.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 12:20:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

The Yankees have designated Vernon Wells for assignment, according to ESPN's Buster Olney (on Twitter). Wells himself tweeted out a thank you to the organization: "Thank you Yankees for the opportunity to be a part of such a storied franchise."

The Yankees need room on their 40-man roster because although they've agreed to deals with Brian Roberts and Matt Thornton, neither has been officially announced at this time (as noted earlier today by Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports). An Alex Rodriguez suspension could clear a spot for the second player.

Wells, 35, was acquired by the Yankees last offseason in exchange for Exicardo Cayones and Kramer Sneed, with New York picking up $13.9MM of the remaining $42MM on Wells' contract. They looked to have caught lightning in a bottle early in the season, as Wells mashed his way to a .301/.357/.538 batting line with 10 homers through his first 38 games, replacing some of the production lost when Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira went down with injuries. Wells posted a .495 OPS with just one homer from May 16 through season's end, however, finishing with a batting line of .233/.282/.349 in 458 plate appearances.

Wells is owed $21MM this season, $18.6MM of which comes from the Angels, with the Yankees on the hook for just $2.4MM.






Jeez, I hope this bad contract doesn't sink the Yankees
Can't keep a straight face when I say that
Crap happens every year
You never hear them say
"That will sure limit what we do going forward"
You move on
Real ownership isn't concerned with dwelling on mistakes.


And 2.4 mill is a cheap mistake for NYY. in MN it would be HUGE money. They never admitted Capps was a mistake.

Only cost MN well over 14 mill and a starting catcher who can hit HRs. [&o]


OK, so nobody is worried that Vernon Wells is now available for Captain Ron and Terry Ryan to acquire?



The Twins need a legitimate backup OF and especially someone who can play CF. Don't be surprised if the Twins overpay Wells for a skid-mark in your shorts season.




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 12:42:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dave E

Can you imagine what Joe is going to look like at his HOF induction?  He'll be lucky to be under three bills.


Actually, this is not entirely a joke. Did anyone think that skinny Herbie who came into the league as a lean 6'4" player who probably weighed no more than 195 lbs would end up at 3 Bills three years after retirement?


It wasn't too surprising given he was constantly gaining weight throughout his career, and never met a malt beverage he would say no to.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 3:24:03 PM)

What a surprise. Not

http://tracking.si.com/2014/01/13/yankees-alex-rodriguez-sues-mlb-mlbpa/?eref=sihp




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 3:28:47 PM)

Good luck with that, ARod.  It's almost impossible to overturn arbitration decisions.

I will say it is weird that the arbitrator landed on 162 games, given that PED suspensions are supposed to be 50/100/150.  Sounds like the MLBPA is pissed off about that, and rightfully so.  Not that ARod doesn't deserve punishment -- he certainly does -- but I'd be upset if they were going outside the JDA, which it appears the arbitrator did.




CPAMAN -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/13/2014 10:57:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

Good luck with that, ARod.  It's almost impossible to overturn arbitration decisions.

I will say it is weird that the arbitrator landed on 162 games, given that PED suspensions are supposed to be 50/100/150.  Sounds like the MLBPA is pissed off about that, and rightfully so.  Not that ARod doesn't deserve punishment -- he certainly does -- but I'd be upset if they were going outside the JDA, which it appears the arbitrator did.



A-Rod is adding chapters to his career that now is more tainted IMO than that of Pete Rose. Pay-Fraud will never make the HOF, but if he does, they had better allow Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, and all former MLB players previously banned for whatever reasons. In short, Rodriguez may be the most hated player of all-time after this legal battle.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/14/2014 8:23:02 AM)

Oh, darn. Twins "tried" and "kicked the tires" and "were interested"....

07:35 AM ET 01.14 | Of course, the franchise has a lot going for it in any bid. The Angels offer a prime location, boast a star-studded team and have available funds. And according to a weekend report from the Japanese publication Sports Hochi, that combination has made them among three favorites -- along with the Yankees and Dodgers -- to land coveted 25-year-old right-hander Masahiro Tanaka. But 11 days remain in Tanaka's free agency, with Major League clubs given until 2 p.m. PT on Jan. 24 to sign the Rakuten Golden Eagles' ace. The Cubs are prepared to offer a nine-figure contract, according to CSN Chicago. And ultimately "someone is going to come in and blow everyone away," a National League general manager told the Boston Globe. In short, there's a long way to go.


The cash cow has fattened the wallets of the Pohlads. They took a couple of years to digest the feast.Now the lean times are creeping in, thanks to the organization's lack of urgency to put a real product on the field, along with a number of poor decisions in personnel. And it's going to take time now, because they don't want to overspend.




lylej -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (1/14/2014 8:35:24 AM)

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/inbox-are-mariners-contenders-to-land-masahiro-tanaka?ymd=20140113&content_id=66602830&vkey=news_mlb

Looks like that Microsoft Money in Seattle will try to covet Tanaka, above all the rest!!




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