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Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/2/2014 1:02:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I missed it; were there locusts in Cleveland this weekend from Cuddy playing 3b? 5000-year flood type stuff?



No, but theylost, so I'msure that was why.




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 1:53:35 PM)

Jimmy Rollins: HOF?

Go.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 1:57:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Jimmy Rollins: HOF?

Go.


Right now, I would say no. I'm not saying he doesn't have a case. Just don't think he's there yet.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 1:59:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Jimmy Rollins: HOF?

Go.

His numbers say he's right on the border (104 HOF monitor and 37 HOF standards), but I highly doubt he gets in. Only 3 All-Star games, and voters love to hold that kind of thing against guys. Had a few big years of triples. Other than that, his only league leader numbers are things like AB's and PA's.

Personally I think I'd put him in. But you know how these voters like to think about things like "did he dominate his era?" "He was no Jeter." etc etc.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 2:01:30 PM)

I think his chances improve greatly if he's able to finish his career with the Phillies. Spending an entire career (especially if it ends up being 18+ years) with one team is something voters love. If he starts bouncing around, that's doomsday for a borderline HOF candidate.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 2:06:54 PM)

Sure hope Raines gets in. Ridiculous that the voters compare him to Rickey Henderson, so if he's not as good as Rickey, he's not in. One of the most preposterous things I've ever seen in following the HOF voting.

"Well, this guy may have been the 2nd best leadoff hitter of all-time. But he clearly wasn't as good as the #1 leadoff hitter of all-time, and since they played during the exact same era, there's no way Raines is a HOFer."

Doesn't make any sense.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 2:15:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Sure hope Raines gets in. Ridiculous that the voters compare him to Rickey Henderson, so if he's not as good as Rickey, he's not in. One of the most preposterous things I've ever seen in following the HOF voting.

"Well, this guy may have been the 2nd best leadoff hitter of all-time. But he clearly wasn't as good as the #1 leadoff hitter of all-time, and since they played during the exact same era, there's no way Raines is a HOFer."

Doesn't make any sense.


Raines should be in. No doubt.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 2:17:36 PM)

Rollins is a tough one. His comparables are all over the board. His #1 most similar is Ray Durham. But his #2 most similar is Barry Larkin.

Most comparable after Age 34? Edgar Renteria. 6th most comparable after Age 34? Ryne Sandberg. 7th most comparable after Age 34 is Joe Morgan.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 2:19:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Rollins is a tough one. His comparables are all over the board. His #1 most similar is Ray Durham. But his #2 most similar is Barry Larkin.

Most comparable after Age 34? Edgar Renteria. 6th most comparable after Age 34? Ryne Sandberg. 7th most comparable after Age 34 is Joe Morgan.


Comparable means very little to me. but if the MOST comparable players to Rollins are Ray Durham and Edgar Renteria...then there's no way he's a HOFer.




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 2:22:13 PM)

I gotta say I'm torn on Rollins. He's right there. But I'm not sure. I do think he and Larkin are crazy similar, but I'm not sure if Larkin should be in or not either. Both borderline. Ditto for Ozzie Smith.

There are about 10-12 eligible guys right now that aren't in and should be though.

Piazza
Biggio
Bagwell
Raines
Clemens
Bonds
Schilling
Edgard Martinez
Alan Trammell
McGwire
Walker

I'd vote for all of those guys. And it's only going to get tougher. Next year Randy Johnson/Smoltz/Pedro/Sheffield all join the ballot. All 4 of which are probably deserving. 2016? Griffey and Edmonds, so a little lighter year there. 2017 is Manny, Pudge and Vlad.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 2:22:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Rollins is a tough one. His comparables are all over the board. His #1 most similar is Ray Durham. But his #2 most similar is Barry Larkin.

Most comparable after Age 34? Edgar Renteria. 6th most comparable after Age 34? Ryne Sandberg. 7th most comparable after Age 34 is Joe Morgan.


Comparable means very little to me. but if the MOST comparable players to Rollins are Ray Durham and Edgar Renteria...then there's no way he's a HOFer.

Comparables are tricky. Ryne Sandberg's #1 comparable is Lou Whitaker, not a HOFer. Sandberg's #2 comparable is Joe Torre, also not a HOFer (as a player).




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 3:15:21 PM)

Lou and Trammell should both be in.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 3:29:58 PM)

http://thebiglead.com/2014/03/19/the-least-valuable-player-for-all-30-teams-in-major-league-baseball/

Minnesota Twins, Mike Pelfrey: Here’s a guy with a lifetime 4.48 ERA and 5.2 K/9 for his career. Pelfrey’s never posted a WHIP under 1.36 and yet he secured a two-year, $11 million deal from Minnesota — not a bank-breaker, but still a nice chunk of change. His agent? Scott Boras. Why every single baseball player doesn’t use Boras to negotiate their contracts is one of life’s great mysteries. Pelfrey also loses points for taking forever on the mound. Guess that’s a valuable trait if you sell peanuts or beer at Target Field, at least.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 3:31:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://thebiglead.com/2014/03/19/the-least-valuable-player-for-all-30-teams-in-major-league-baseball/

Minnesota Twins, Mike Pelfrey: Here’s a guy with a lifetime 4.48 ERA and 5.2 K/9 for his career. Pelfrey’s never posted a WHIP under 1.36 and yet he secured a two-year, $11 million deal from Minnesota — not a bank-breaker, but still a nice chunk of change. His agent? Scott Boras. Why every single baseball player doesn’t use Boras to negotiate their contracts is one of life’s great mysteries. Pelfrey also loses points for taking forever on the mound. Guess that’s a valuable trait if you sell peanuts or beer at Target Field, at least.

Sigh
Yet some defend the way things are done here.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/3/2014 3:35:10 PM)

Why every single baseball player doesn’t use Boras to negotiate their contracts is one of life’s great mysteries.


Sigh
Yet some defend the way things are done here.


THIS




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 12:19:47 PM)

And Singleton HRs in first ML at bat

http://mlb.si.com/2014/06/04/jon-singleton-ryan-zimmermann-josh-hamilton-jason-lane/?eref=sihp




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 12:34:19 PM)

Break up the Astros!
Going from suck to decent quickly.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 12:38:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Break up the Astros!
Going from suck to decent quickly.


Young talent drafted and developed.

And not left to rot in the minors.




SoMnFan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 12:40:50 PM)

Funny how that works
Are they all 29?

[&:][&:][&:]




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 12:42:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Funny how that works
Are they all 29?

[&:][&:][&:]



Must be.

Dang, still too much trying to make Roch happy with all those nobodies.

It's a joke how barren top levels STILL are.




djskillz -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 12:57:01 PM)

Organization knows what it's doing.
Good drafting.
Signing guys to longterm team-friendly deals early.
Manager doesn't care about "closers".
Advanced statistical analysis. Heck, they even put "new" stats on their broadcasts instead of traditional ones.

The anti-Twins. They're going to very good, very soon.




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 2:53:21 PM)

Today marks the 40th anniversary of Ten-Cent Beer Night at Municipal Stadium in Cleveland. And yes, it’s exactly as it sounds. Ten ounces of Stoh’s beer for ten cents. The promotion famously went awry as fans stormed the field and the umpires ruled the game a forfeit after five innings. Ron Fimrite wrote about the game in the June 17, 1974 issue of SI:

“At first, they were merely capricious, fools clowning in the stands, spilling onto the playing field to gambol on the forbidden turf like rebellious children. There were streakers, naturally, and a woman who attempted to embrace Home Plate Umpire Larry McCoy, and teen-agers sprinting across the outfield. They created irritating delays in the game between the Cleveland Indians and the visiting Texas Rangers but, in the beginning, at least, they seemed manageable.

Some difficulty had been anticipated, for beer at Cleveland’s Municipal Stadium on the night of June 4 was selling at 10 cents a cup, and of the 25,134 “Beer Night” celebrants, a few would obviously be attending the ball game in quest of a cheap high. The stadium security force was, therefore, beefed up from a normal 32 men to 48, just in case.
As the night wore on and the beer took hold, more than a few fans turned ugly. They dropped firecrackers near the Rangers’ bullpen and suspended others on strings into the Ranger dugout. They tossed cherry bombs onto the field and poured beer on the Rangers as they returned to their bench. In the ninth inning, after the Indians, who had been trailing by two runs, had rallied dramatically to tie the score at 5-5, dozens of rowdy fans jumped onto the outfield, belligerent, spoiling for trouble.”




Dave E -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 2:56:22 PM)

I would have loved to have gone up to the concession stand with a $10 bill and demanded 100 beers. [&:]




Mr. Ed -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 2:59:31 PM)

firecrackers and cherry bombs at a ballgame.

How times have changed.




twinsfan -> RE: MLB General Information PT 4 (6/4/2014 3:01:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

firecrackers and cherry bombs at a ballgame.

How times have changed.

But we still have to wait 15 minutes in line to get thru the new security at Target Field. It's ridiculous. I'd much rather take my chances.




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