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I can't agree. Now I'm not about to compare it to slave labor like Peterson did. And I certainly don't side with him in terms of him deserving more; he negotiated his contract going in. He knew the parameters.

But I also think the NFL players have gotten the short end of the stick. NFL players' life spans are dramatically shortened by their play with concussions and basically being battering rams for years. So it's kind of crazy that their contract situation is the worst of all teams. The NFL players' union has been very, very weak compared to the other leagues for years.

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I get his displeasure with how contracts work in NFL vs other sports. I personally wish other sports were more like NFL instead of other way around. There should be a way out of guaranteed contracts IMHO.

Glad to hear he's showing up today. Hopefully he and team can mend fences and have a productive year.

But if there's a way out, what would make them guaranteed?

I guess I should have written that better. Ideally, for all sports, only a portion of the contract is guaranteed. If you get hurt or are no longer effective you shouldn't get full pay, a prorated portion of it should be guaranteed, not full salary.

I think NFL contracts are too harsh probably but other sports with fully guaranteed contracts aren't right either. Somewhere in between is the right mix. Fair to both players and teams.

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I can't agree. Now I'm not about to compare it to slave labor like Peterson did. And I certainly don't side with him in terms of him deserving more; he negotiated his contract going in. He knew the parameters.

But I also think the NFL players have gotten the short end of the stick. NFL players' life spans are dramatically shortened by their play with concussions and basically being battering rams for years. So it's kind of crazy that their contract situation is the worst of all teams. The NFL players' union has been very, very weak compared to the other leagues for years.

Very pro-union of you, Dustin. I like it. [sm=high5.gif]

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Decided to keep it on PA's show for a little bit this morning w/ the Adrian Peterson news. Is this celebration really appropriate? Seems like it's in completely poor taste to get this excited about his return.

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Decided to keep it on PA's show for a little bit this morning w/ the Adrian Peterson news. Is this celebration really appropriate? Seems like it's in completely poor taste to get this excited about his return.

Hear hear.

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I get his displeasure with how contracts work in NFL vs other sports. I personally wish other sports were more like NFL instead of other way around. There should be a way out of guaranteed contracts IMHO.

Glad to hear he's showing up today. Hopefully he and team can mend fences and have a productive year.

But if there's a way out, what would make them guaranteed?

I guess I should have written that better. Ideally, for all sports, only a portion of the contract is guaranteed. If you get hurt or are no longer effective you shouldn't get full pay, a prorated portion of it should be guaranteed, not full salary.

I think NFL contracts are too harsh probably but other sports with fully guaranteed contracts aren't right either. Somewhere in between is the right mix. Fair to both players and teams.

If you get a major injury at work should you not get disability or worker's comp?

That's a pretty slippery slope IMO.

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Decided to keep it on PA's show for a little bit this morning w/ the Adrian Peterson news. Is this celebration really appropriate? Seems like it's in completely poor taste to get this excited about his return.

Hear hear.

The fanbase will move on unfortunately. Forgive as long as he produces.

Happens far too often, sadly.

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I get his displeasure with how contracts work in NFL vs other sports. I personally wish other sports were more like NFL instead of other way around. There should be a way out of guaranteed contracts IMHO.

Glad to hear he's showing up today. Hopefully he and team can mend fences and have a productive year.

But if there's a way out, what would make them guaranteed?

I guess I should have written that better. Ideally, for all sports, only a portion of the contract is guaranteed. If you get hurt or are no longer effective you shouldn't get full pay, a prorated portion of it should be guaranteed, not full salary.

I think NFL contracts are too harsh probably but other sports with fully guaranteed contracts aren't right either. Somewhere in between is the right mix. Fair to both players and teams.

If you get a major injury at work should you not get disability or worker's comp?

That's a pretty slippery slope IMO.

Disability doesn't pay 100% salary, I think the insurance we have is either 60% or 66%. I'm not sure about work comp, but I don't think it pays 100% either. Plus after being out for too long, I'd have to start paying 100% of my medical insurance.

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I get his displeasure with how contracts work in NFL vs other sports. I personally wish other sports were more like NFL instead of other way around. There should be a way out of guaranteed contracts IMHO.

Glad to hear he's showing up today. Hopefully he and team can mend fences and have a productive year.

But if there's a way out, what would make them guaranteed?

I guess I should have written that better. Ideally, for all sports, only a portion of the contract is guaranteed. If you get hurt or are no longer effective you shouldn't get full pay, a prorated portion of it should be guaranteed, not full salary.

I think NFL contracts are too harsh probably but other sports with fully guaranteed contracts aren't right either. Somewhere in between is the right mix. Fair to both players and teams.

If you get a major injury at work should you not get disability or worker's comp?

That's a pretty slippery slope IMO.

Disability doesn't pay 100% salary, I think the insurance we have is either 60% or 66%. I'm not sure about work comp, but I don't think it pays 100% either. Plus after being out for too long, I'd have to start paying 100% of my medical insurance.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I get his displeasure with how contracts work in NFL vs other sports. I personally wish other sports were more like NFL instead of other way around. There should be a way out of guaranteed contracts IMHO.

Glad to hear he's showing up today. Hopefully he and team can mend fences and have a productive year.

But if there's a way out, what would make them guaranteed?

I guess I should have written that better. Ideally, for all sports, only a portion of the contract is guaranteed. If you get hurt or are no longer effective you shouldn't get full pay, a prorated portion of it should be guaranteed, not full salary.

I think NFL contracts are too harsh probably but other sports with fully guaranteed contracts aren't right either. Somewhere in between is the right mix. Fair to both players and teams.

If you get a major injury at work should you not get disability or worker's comp?

That's a pretty slippery slope IMO.

Disability doesn't pay 100% salary, I think the insurance we have is either 60% or 66%. I'm not sure about work comp, but I don't think it pays 100% either. Plus after being out for too long, I'd have to start paying 100% of my medical insurance.

Furthermore, my employer can end my employment at will. No guaranteed money here.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I get his displeasure with how contracts work in NFL vs other sports. I personally wish other sports were more like NFL instead of other way around. There should be a way out of guaranteed contracts IMHO.

Glad to hear he's showing up today. Hopefully he and team can mend fences and have a productive year.

But if there's a way out, what would make them guaranteed?

I guess I should have written that better. Ideally, for all sports, only a portion of the contract is guaranteed. If you get hurt or are no longer effective you shouldn't get full pay, a prorated portion of it should be guaranteed, not full salary.

I think NFL contracts are too harsh probably but other sports with fully guaranteed contracts aren't right either. Somewhere in between is the right mix. Fair to both players and teams.

If you get a major injury at work should you not get disability or worker's comp?

That's a pretty slippery slope IMO.

Disability doesn't pay 100% salary, I think the insurance we have is either 60% or 66%. I'm not sure about work comp, but I don't think it pays 100% either. Plus after being out for too long, I'd have to start paying 100% of my medical insurance.

Furthermore, my employer can end my employment at will. No guaranteed money here.

A lot of salaried arrangements are not that way. Many have contracts or buyouts, severance, etc.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I get his displeasure with how contracts work in NFL vs other sports. I personally wish other sports were more like NFL instead of other way around. There should be a way out of guaranteed contracts IMHO.

Glad to hear he's showing up today. Hopefully he and team can mend fences and have a productive year.

But if there's a way out, what would make them guaranteed?

I guess I should have written that better. Ideally, for all sports, only a portion of the contract is guaranteed. If you get hurt or are no longer effective you shouldn't get full pay, a prorated portion of it should be guaranteed, not full salary.

I think NFL contracts are too harsh probably but other sports with fully guaranteed contracts aren't right either. Somewhere in between is the right mix. Fair to both players and teams.

If you get a major injury at work should you not get disability or worker's comp?

That's a pretty slippery slope IMO.

Disability doesn't pay 100% salary, I think the insurance we have is either 60% or 66%. I'm not sure about work comp, but I don't think it pays 100% either. Plus after being out for too long, I'd have to start paying 100% of my medical insurance.

But that's essentially what happens with the teams too. They usually have insurance cover a portion of everything for these guys.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I get his displeasure with how contracts work in NFL vs other sports. I personally wish other sports were more like NFL instead of other way around. There should be a way out of guaranteed contracts IMHO.

Glad to hear he's showing up today. Hopefully he and team can mend fences and have a productive year.

But if there's a way out, what would make them guaranteed?

I guess I should have written that better. Ideally, for all sports, only a portion of the contract is guaranteed. If you get hurt or are no longer effective you shouldn't get full pay, a prorated portion of it should be guaranteed, not full salary.

I think NFL contracts are too harsh probably but other sports with fully guaranteed contracts aren't right either. Somewhere in between is the right mix. Fair to both players and teams.

If you get a major injury at work should you not get disability or worker's comp?

That's a pretty slippery slope IMO.

Disability doesn't pay 100% salary, I think the insurance we have is either 60% or 66%. I'm not sure about work comp, but I don't think it pays 100% either. Plus after being out for too long, I'd have to start paying 100% of my medical insurance.

But that's essentially what happens with the teams too. They usually have insurance cover a portion of everything for these guys.

I'm not sure you understood. If I'm disabled I don't get paid 100%, I get paid either 60% or 66%. I don't care if teams have insurance to cover what they are paying the player, not relevant to the discussion. Players who can't play either due to injury or declining skills don't deserve 100% of their contract.

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I hear ya. I could get on board with something like that. But I do think football players currently have a pretty bad deal. I know when I have kids I'll be one of those parents that doesn't let them play football.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I get his displeasure with how contracts work in NFL vs other sports. I personally wish other sports were more like NFL instead of other way around. There should be a way out of guaranteed contracts IMHO.

Glad to hear he's showing up today. Hopefully he and team can mend fences and have a productive year.

But if there's a way out, what would make them guaranteed?

I guess I should have written that better. Ideally, for all sports, only a portion of the contract is guaranteed. If you get hurt or are no longer effective you shouldn't get full pay, a prorated portion of it should be guaranteed, not full salary.

I think NFL contracts are too harsh probably but other sports with fully guaranteed contracts aren't right either. Somewhere in between is the right mix. Fair to both players and teams.

If you get a major injury at work should you not get disability or worker's comp?

That's a pretty slippery slope IMO.

Disability doesn't pay 100% salary, I think the insurance we have is either 60% or 66%. I'm not sure about work comp, but I don't think it pays 100% either. Plus after being out for too long, I'd have to start paying 100% of my medical insurance.

But that's essentially what happens with the teams too. They usually have insurance cover a portion of everything for these guys.

I'm not sure you understood. If I'm disabled I don't get paid 100%, I get paid either 60% or 66%. I don't care if teams have insurance to cover what they are paying the player, not relevant to the discussion. Players who can't play either due to injury or declining skills don't deserve 100% of their contract.

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As someone who was very skeptical of him coming in, I am as high as you can be on him now. The kid just has "it". To me the most important things for a QB are:

Icewater in your veins. Gotta be able to stand in there and make pressure plays. He has that in spades.
Leadership. Ditto.
Work ethic and football intelligence. Gotta be able to make adjustments and constantly improve. He improved all throughout the year, both game by game and on individual plays.
Accuracy. Also has that in spades.

He had a really great rookie year, one of the best ever in the NFL efficiency-wise. Despite absolutely nothing around him; bad OL play, not much for RB's or WR's. And despite being just 21. I hate to compare him to Joe Montana (the best ever IMO) but he has a LOT of the same traits. I still worry about him getting injured here or there, but you could worry about that with any NFL QB. He has all of the intangibles and qualities that you look for in a stud QB in the league today. The qualities above are all there for the best QB's; Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Luck, Brees...

No reason as he continues to mature and grow he can't join that group. The love is well deserved IMO. If anything, he's not getting enough. It's the most excited I've ever been about a Viking QB in my lifetime. And I really believe he can one that can finally take us to the promised land.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

As someone who was very skeptical of him coming in, I am as high as you can be on him now. The kid just has "it". To me the most important things for a QB are:

Icewater in your veins. Gotta be able to stand in there and make pressure plays. He has that in spades.
Leadership. Ditto.
Work ethic and football intelligence. Gotta be able to make adjustments and constantly improve. He improved all throughout the year, both game by game and on individual plays.
Accuracy. Also has that in spades.

He had a really great rookie year, one of the best ever in the NFL efficiency-wise. Despite absolutely nothing around him; bad OL play, not much for RB's or WR's. And despite being just 21. I hate to compare him to Joe Montana (the best ever IMO) but he has a LOT of the same traits. I still worry about him getting injured here or there, but you could worry about that with any NFL QB. He has all of the intangibles and qualities that you look for in a stud QB in the league today. The qualities above are all there for the best QB's; Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Luck, Brees...

No reason as he continues to mature and grow he can't join that group. The love is well deserved IMO. If anything, he's not getting enough. It's the most excited I've ever been about a Viking QB in my lifetime. And I really believe he can one that can finally take us to the promised land.

Good feedback
The thought of giving him a Running Back has me excited, as does the thought of giving that RB a Quarterback.
The defense under Zim seems as good and young as I can ever remember(started watching full time in '79)

I also like the fact that we can offense or Oline if need be in next years draft as most of the defensive positions are at least on paper, in pretty good shape.


Could use a Punter though....good problem to have.

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As I understand it, and admittedly, I'm not 100% certain,
That 60 or 60% is non taxable income...so it ends up close to 100%

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

As someone who was very skeptical of him coming in, I am as high as you can be on him now. The kid just has "it". To me the most important things for a QB are:

Icewater in your veins. Gotta be able to stand in there and make pressure plays. He has that in spades.
Leadership. Ditto.
Work ethic and football intelligence. Gotta be able to make adjustments and constantly improve. He improved all throughout the year, both game by game and on individual plays.
Accuracy. Also has that in spades.

He had a really great rookie year, one of the best ever in the NFL efficiency-wise. Despite absolutely nothing around him; bad OL play, not much for RB's or WR's. And despite being just 21. I hate to compare him to Joe Montana (the best ever IMO) but he has a LOT of the same traits. I still worry about him getting injured here or there, but you could worry about that with any NFL QB. He has all of the intangibles and qualities that you look for in a stud QB in the league today. The qualities above are all there for the best QB's; Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Luck, Brees...

No reason as he continues to mature and grow he can't join that group. The love is well deserved IMO. If anything, he's not getting enough. It's the most excited I've ever been about a Viking QB in my lifetime. And I really believe he can one that can finally take us to the promised land.

Good feedback
The thought of giving him a Running Back has me excited, as does the thought of giving that RB a Quarterback.
The defense under Zim seems as good and young as I can ever remember(started watching full time in '79)

I also like the fact that we can offense or Oline if need be in next years draft as most of the defensive positions are at least on paper, in pretty good shape.


Could use a Punter though....good problem to have.

Yep. Having AD plays right into his strengths. 8 man front against Bridgewater? Good luck with that. More blitzes? Good luck with that. That's where he excels. Agree on the defense; I bet it'll be top 5 in the NFL this year with a chance to be #1 within 1-2 years. Quickly becoming dominant, and still very young. Pair that with a good young QB? No reason we can't be the "next" Seattle.