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McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 2:28:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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The game long ago passed TK by.
As proof, exhibit A, I offer his hand picked successor.




Thank you and case dismissed.


Gardy was not his hand picked successor. TK had nothing to do with the pick.




Your words




McMurfy -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 2:33:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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I know these two, people.
Settle in.
This is a heavyweight tilt.
Will go at least 15 rounds.
Pull up a chair.




A Man does not choose his battles.
A man battles his choices




TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 2:36:08 PM)

You're the one who threw out hand picked successor and provided nothing to back it up. If TR asked Kelley his opinion and TK gave it, that is very different from picking a successor. Were you in on the meetings? Did Kelley say Ron is great and the other 2 suck or did he just assess the strengths and weaknesses of his assistants. You have no idea, yet you maintain that TK picked Gardy and TR rubber stamped it, which I don't believe for one minute. One thing that is abundantly clear in this organization is that TR makes his own decisions. There often wrong, but he makes them.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 2:39:43 PM)

You're wrong about one thing

Jay Thomas Kelly is the former manager of the Minnesota Twins baseball team from 1986 to 2001.

So if he asked Kelley about choices, that may have been someone in the marketing department, scouting or the parking lot. [:D][:D][:D][:D]




SoMnFan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 2:47:18 PM)

Ohhhhhh, snap!
Ed throws a haymaker from the stool in the corner!




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 2:49:12 PM)

You always need to look out for that "3rd guy" in the crowd who comes outta nowhere...




TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 2:56:00 PM)

Affects nothing. As I said TR asking Kelley's input is a far cry from TK hand picking his successor.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 3:27:38 PM)

Roch delayed, down 1-0, was no hit through 5. Game delayed after the 5th.

Chatt 9 hits, 7-4 win

Palka 2-3/Bb/2HRs(9)/2R/3RBI(34), Granite 2-5/R, Michael 1-2/double/BB/2RBI

Greenwood 3-1 7IP 4H/2R/4K/HR
Reed IP 3H/2R/K
Hildenberger IP K/Save(6)




SoMnFan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 3:30:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Roch delayed, down 1-0, was no hit through 5. Game delayed after the 5th.

Chatt 9 hits, 7-4 win

Palka 2-3/Bb/2HRs(9)/2R/3RBI(34), Granite 2-5/R, Michael 1-2/double/BB/2RBI

Greenwood 3-1 7IP 4H/2R/4K/HR
Reed IP 3H/2R/K
Hildenberger IP K/Save(6)

Wallys kid? [&:]

Always chuckle at faux fans ...
Those who pull, for ya know, that great old Twins player, Kirby Plunkett!
Or that great golfer Jack Nicholson.




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 3:35:38 PM)

Daniel Beer Barrel Palka




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 3:56:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Affects nothing. As I said TR asking Kelley's input is a far cry from TK hand picking his successor.


Getting back to my statement about him being obsolete, I mean it. Kelly (there is no second "e" in his last name, Sweens) is out of touch with this generation of baseball players. Like Terry Ryan and Ron Gardenhire he has made no effort at all to change.

Wanna know what was the final straw for me?
He was in the booth a couple of years ago going through one of his excruciatingly horrendous broadcasting attempts he said this:
"You have to slow down these Latin guys when you teach them. They go too fast"
That might not be word for word, but it's damn close.

That showed me a few things:
1. It proves that he generalizes a group of players.
2. He is ignorant enough to do that on air.
3. Everything I was suspicious about was indeed correct.

Kelly had his moment. That moment is done.
His way of thinking is obsolete. Baseball is a dynamic game. It has changed BIG TIME. You ought to know this because you have been watching for over 40 years (as have I). The Latin player is HUGE now. The Twins have lagged behind horribly in the way they communicate and deal with Latin players. It is a damn shame because the Twins were on the cutting edge of it in the 60s. If TK thinks Latin players do things too fast (his words so don't tell me I made it up because he said it on the air) then he needs to take a hike. What the hell is that supposed to mean? Maybe TK is too slow. Maybe TKs word wields too much authority in this organization. It sure heck seems that way to me.

Kelly is a freakin dinosaur. He is 65 years old and he might as well be 95. I have a friend that is 69 and he looks and acts a lot younger than TK. He's tech savvy, is active in town politics, plays in a two piece acoustic band. TK should be relegated to the golf cart. Put him in a golf cart and drive him around and let him wave to people. His time is done. Kind of like what Yogi Berra was like with the Yankees the last 25 years of his life.

He did a damn fine job as a manager, but to think this guy is a resource now.........no way. He's done. He refused to keep up with the changes.

I read this discussion between you and Murph at work. I really could care less about if he picked Gardy or not. I do know what I heard on TV a couple of years ago and I was offended by it. I am not a Latino, but I thought it was a stupid generalization. I want guys who represent this organization and have input in the decision making process to be smarter than that.

Sweens, I am sorry. I like you. I think you are a bedrock poster here.
However, on TK, I just cannot agree. He did a brilliant job for many years, but he was done as soon as he retired.
He let go and the Twins should have as well. Instead the guy still has input. I think that is a mistake




Black 47 -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 7:56:07 PM)

Gardy.
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From: Bruce [bruce4987@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Reusse, Patrick
Subject: In 2001 when TK retired

Who did he endorse to be the next manager?

Sent from my iPhone
[:D]




TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 9:32:02 PM)

Ewin if you think TK still has input you are out of your mind. He is figure head in the organization and nothing more. Big deal, he goes down to spring training and run some drills. Beyond that they trot him out for good will appearances. He is the loveable, grumpy old uncle at family gatherings who regales everyone with tales of the old days. And no , other than lowering the mound 6inches and adding the DH , baseball hasn't changed much in the last 100 years.




TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 9:38:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Black 47

Gardy.
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From: Bruce [bruce4987@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Reusse, Patrick
Subject: In 2001 when TK retired

Who did he endorse to be the next manager?

Sent from my iPhone op
[:D]


Black, let's say you were asked for your recommendation between Gardy, Ulger and Newman. Who would you endorse? Let's say for the sake of argument that TK recommended Gardy over the other 2. Was that the wrong choice?




Black 47 -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 10:32:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Black 47

Gardy.
________________________________________
From: Bruce [bruce4987@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Reusse, Patrick
Subject: In 2001 when TK retired

Who did he endorse to be the next manager?

Sent from my iPhone op
[:D]


Black, let's say you were asked for your recommendation between Gardy,
Ulger and Newman. Who would you endorse? Let's say for the sake of argument that TK recommended Gardy over the other 2. Was that the wrong choice?

I think all three were the wrong choice! [&:]

If I remember right, Willie Randolph was the other one interviewed. In hindsight, he was the one that got away. But I definitely believe TK made it crystal clear that he thought gardenhire deserved the job after coaching there for eleven years.

You know who would have been an amazing hire would have been Ron Washington (IMHO)




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 10:32:28 PM)

Roch didn't get a hit until the top/9th,lost 2-0

Singles from Beresford and Polanco

Darnell 5-5 5IP 2H/R/3K (rain delay was over 2 hours)
Walden 2IP H/R/BB/2K
Runzler IP K


FTM was rained out

CRapids had 12 hits, 8-2 winners

Murray 3-5/R/2RBI, Kihle 2-4/2R, Hartong 2-5/double/R, Palacios 1-3/2Bb/R/RBI

Romero 3-0 6IP 4H/2R/BB/5K
Cederoth 2IP H/2BB/2K
Lo IP K




twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 10:34:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Black 47

Gardy.
________________________________________
From: Bruce [bruce4987@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Reusse, Patrick
Subject: In 2001 when TK retired

Who did he endorse to be the next manager?

Sent from my iPhone op
[:D]


Black, let's say you were asked for your recommendation between Gardy, Ulger and Newman. Who would you endorse? Let's say for the sake of argument that TK recommended Gardy over the other 2. Was that the wrong choice?

I know you didn't ask me...but YES.

Thanks for some entertaining reading on the back-end today, boys.




Black 47 -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/1/2016 10:38:25 PM)

Two former Twins coaches who I believe were shafted by the organization were Rick Renick and Wayne Terwilliger. Renick was a scapegoat for finishing last in 1990. Had they kept him, Gardy never would have been. And Terwilliger was ousted to make room for that hot, new up and comer Scott Ullger who they feared they'd lose to another organization if they didn't promote him.




ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/2/2016 8:40:40 AM)

Sweens please. OK

Kelly is listed on the Twins organizational as special assistant to the GM. Right at the top as a matter of fact. Why would they do that? , are you tryin to tell me Ryan doesn't communicate at all with him because that's what he thinks if him? He's such a marvelous baseball mind to everyone in the Twins organization and yet he has a title and no input at all. Really Sweens? REALLY
You have to be kidding

Ryan and TK are joined at the hip. They are a two piece set as far as I am concerned.

This only the second time I've ever posted during a break at work. Thanks for coaxing me into this




TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/2/2016 9:16:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Black 47

Gardy.
________________________________________
From: Bruce [bruce4987@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Reusse, Patrick
Subject: In 2001 when TK retired

Who did he endorse to be the next manager?

Sent from my iPhone op
[:D]


Black, let's say you were asked for your recommendation between Gardy, Ulger and Newman. Who would you endorse? Let's say for the sake of argument that TK recommended Gardy over the other 2. Was that the wrong choice?

I know you didn't ask me...but YES.

Thanks for some entertaining reading on the back-end today, boys.


So who was the star manager waiting to happen between Ulcer and Newman?




twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/2/2016 9:26:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Black 47

Gardy.
________________________________________
From: Bruce [bruce4987@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:11 PM
To: Reusse, Patrick
Subject: In 2001 when TK retired

Who did he endorse to be the next manager?

Sent from my iPhone op
[:D]


Black, let's say you were asked for your recommendation between Gardy, Ulger and Newman. Who would you endorse? Let's say for the sake of argument that TK recommended Gardy over the other 2. Was that the wrong choice?

I know you didn't ask me...but YES.

Thanks for some entertaining reading on the back-end today, boys.


So who was the star manager waiting to happen between Ulcer and Newman?

Newmie never got a shot. Could have been wonderful. Who knows?




TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/2/2016 9:29:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ewen21

Sweens please. OK

Kelly is listed on the Twins organizational as special assistant to the GM. Right at the top as a matter of fact. Why would they do that? , are you tryin to tell me Ryan doesn't communicate at all with him because that's what he thinks if him? He's such a marvelous baseball mind to everyone in the Twins organization and yet he has a title and no input at all. Really Sweens? REALLY
You have to be kidding

Ryan and TK are joined at the hip. They are a two piece set as far as I am concerned.

This only the second time I've ever posted during a break at work. Thanks for coaxing me into this


If you think anyone but Terry Ryan is making decisions for this team, you are flat out bat-shit crazy. If you think TK even gives a shit enough to get involved in scouting pending FA or trade targets, or hires you are even crazier. Oh boy, they gave TK a a fancy-ass title and didn't bother putting him under anyone else in the org chart. Who else is a figure head going to report to? TK goes down to ST and does his little Good Morning America drill, makes good will appearances and spends the rest of his time at the track. He doesn't give a shit. The last time they sent to do any scouting was when they met the Yankees in the playoffs. His one sentence scouting report was "Don't let Jeter beat you." They never sent him out again. He doesn't give a shit. He is happy to not be involved in any of it. He is happy to be trotted out as the legendary leader of the franchise's greatest moment. The rest of it is just more effort than he wants to exert.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/2/2016 3:41:27 PM)

Filler time

#MNTwins have signed OF Logan Schafer -- the one who DOESN'T pitch -- and assigned him to @RocRedWings.

Logan Schafer in 646 PA for #Brewers (2011-15): .212/.286/319.




twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/2/2016 3:42:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Filler time

#MNTwins have signed OF Logan Schafer -- the one who DOESN'T pitch -- and assigned him to @RocRedWings.

Logan Schafer in 646 PA for #Brewers (2011-15): .212/.286/319.


Is that good?




twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/2/2016 3:45:34 PM)

Schafer is a horrible baseball player.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schaflo01.shtml

How do you stick around with stats like that? Those are unacceptable numbers for a backup C. And he's an outfielder!




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