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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/13/2020 8:12:32 PM   
MarkWren

 

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Dana and Bruce,

Man, do your last two posts ever hit home for me. The NFL has evolved away from what made it so attractive to me as a younger guy. I see contrived celebrations for something as insignificant as a fumble recovery. The pregame glam and hype is just WAY over the top, IMO. The game itself was once sufficient; now it almost seems like an afterthought. Same for the patriotic posturing, the "human interest stories" ad infinitum, the lengthy replays and inevitable officials timidity they cause, etc. Touchbacks start nearly every game, kickoff returns nearly extinct now.

I went to the game at Lambeau this fall. Made some fine memories with my dad, brother, and nephew...all good there. But the gig set me back several hundred bucks! As I sat there in stunned disbelief at the 0-21 start we had, I was bombarded with blaring commercials in the stadium, wondering WTH I'd gotten myself into.

I can no longer watch a TV game "live". DVR or bust. Life is too short!

The Vikes haven't regained the mojo from the 70's PPE teams, yet. Yet I continue to hope we catch lightning in a bottle, just once, before Bud goes, or my dad (88) goes, or I go. Mom was a season ticket holder and was killed in a car accident in FL 3 years ago, never seeing a SB title. I wanted it SO badly for her. (BTW, it was great seeing the brief montage of Bud Grant prior to the SF game...so good to know the man still wants that title!) So yeah, I"m pulling back some too. Lastly, and until all the planets, moon, and stars align for us...…………...SKOL!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/13/2020 8:23:01 PM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MarkWren

Dana and Bruce,

Man, do your last two posts ever hit home for me. The NFL has evolved away from what made it so attractive to me as a younger guy. I see contrived celebrations for something as insignificant as a fumble recovery. The pregame glam and hype is just WAY over the top, IMO. The game itself was once sufficient; now it almost seems like an afterthought. Same for the patriotic posturing, the "human interest stories" ad infinitum, the lengthy replays and inevitable officials timidity they cause, etc. Touchbacks start nearly every game, kickoff returns nearly extinct now.

I went to the game at Lambeau this fall. Made some fine memories with my dad, brother, and nephew...all good there. But the gig set me back several hundred bucks! As I sat there in stunned disbelief at the 0-21 start we had, I was bombarded with blaring commercials in the stadium, wondering WTH I'd gotten myself into.

I can no longer watch a TV game "live". DVR or bust. Life is too short!

The Vikes haven't regained the mojo from the 70's PPE teams, yet. Yet I continue to hope we catch lightning in a bottle, just once, before Bud goes, or my dad (88) goes, or I go. Mom was a season ticket holder and was killed in a car accident in FL 3 years ago, never seeing a SB title. I wanted it SO badly for her. (BTW, it was great seeing the brief montage of Bud Grant prior to the SF game...so good to know the man still wants that title!) So yeah, I"m pulling back some too. Lastly, and until all the planets, moon, and stars align for us...…………...SKOL!

Wow Mark! Incredible post! Like I've said many many times I don't know how you guys have done it since the 60s.

My hat is off to a bunch of you great people!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/13/2020 8:26:54 PM   
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We'd all be better off if we spent less time watching and more time doing.


I'd be lucky to make it to the 2nd snap...


Doing something. Get off the couch.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/13/2020 9:37:14 PM   
Dana Turner


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: MarkWren

Dana and Bruce,

Man, do your last two posts ever hit home for me. The NFL has evolved away from what made it so attractive to me as a younger guy. I see contrived celebrations for something as insignificant as a fumble recovery. The pregame glam and hype is just WAY over the top, IMO. The game itself was once sufficient; now it almost seems like an afterthought. Same for the patriotic posturing, the "human interest stories" ad infinitum, the lengthy replays and inevitable officials timidity they cause, etc. Touchbacks start nearly every game, kickoff returns nearly extinct now.

I went to the game at Lambeau this fall. Made some fine memories with my dad, brother, and nephew...all good there. But the gig set me back several hundred bucks! As I sat there in stunned disbelief at the 0-21 start we had, I was bombarded with blaring commercials in the stadium, wondering WTH I'd gotten myself into.

I can no longer watch a TV game "live". DVR or bust. Life is too short!

The Vikes haven't regained the mojo from the 70's PPE teams, yet. Yet I continue to hope we catch lightning in a bottle, just once, before Bud goes, or my dad (88) goes, or I go. Mom was a season ticket holder and was killed in a car accident in FL 3 years ago, never seeing a SB title. I wanted it SO badly for her. (BTW, it was great seeing the brief montage of Bud Grant prior to the SF game...so good to know the man still wants that title!) So yeah, I"m pulling back some too. Lastly, and until all the planets, moon, and stars align for us...…………...SKOL!

Wow Mark! Incredible post! Like I've said many many times I don't know how you guys have done it since the 60s.

My hat is off to a bunch of you great people!


Well Richard, the game was much simpler back when they weren't trying to make so much money off of it. That era got a lot of us old timers hooked on the sport and especially the Vikings, they were so good back then.

Well put Mark, funny thing is, I believe I would be more happy for all those players and coaches that came before the current group if they ever one a title, than I would for myself. I want, perhaps not now as much as I did when I was younger and the game was different, but I will always want a Super Bowl to go with our NFL championship. People say that doesn't count, but I remember how excited I was when we beat the Browns and for me it is just as impotent. It was the championship available at the time and we won it! I have always believed it's a mistake to say that the Vikings have never won the big one! The 1969 NFL championship was the big one at the time, we won, case closed!!! SKOL
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/13/2020 10:11:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Ya know, I took a lot of people off block...

Mainly because others would respond to their trolling with unbridled hook line and sinker enthusiasm, going so far as to quote, dissect and repost entire conversations, back and forth between troll and trolled....

I can’t control that.

People wonder why many of our past posters no longer post here

It’s simple.

The ratio of “Vikings suck, player ‘x’ sucks, coach ‘x’ sucks, play calling ‘x’ sucks, game plan ‘x’ sucks “, etc... ad nauseas, far outweighs rational debate about players, coaches and game plan approaches that are well thought out and based on a real grasp of cost, salary, age, availability, and the fact that the talent pool , although quite expansive across all of the football “ minor leagues “ is very broad and has depth, there are not 1,696 all pro players, 32 “ perfect” head coaches, 64 starting or quality level Quarterbacks, or for that matter, a “perfect formula” for winning.

Every franchise has to find its way..
Luck and league favoritism is a real thing.
The NFL is a HUGE entertainment money making circus, owned and controlled by billionaire owners and corporate executives, sponsors, and media companies.

It is pure and simple, a cash cow.

We, as fans, control nothing, but the amount of money and anguish and devotion we invest in our choosen favorite.

I may very well die, before the Vikings ever win it all and hoist the Lombardi Trophy in long-standing, righteous vindication.

That FACT, will not change my love of the game, this team, or like minded fans who bleed purple, chant “SKOL”, and have a party before during and after all wins and losses.

Ya Whiners , bitchy, cant stand to not get your way, wannabes, can go take a flying finger Fuq at a rolling donut hole.

I won’t engage you...
CPA, Ragnor, Childress, etc..

I know who the good reads and well thought out posters are....
The rest of you embarrass yourselves..


Brilliant post, Dano.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/13/2020 10:30:33 PM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Ya know, I took a lot of people off block...

Mainly because others would respond to their trolling with unbridled hook line and sinker enthusiasm, going so far as to quote, dissect and repost entire conversations, back and forth between troll and trolled....

I can’t control that.

People wonder why many of our past posters no longer post here

It’s simple.

The ratio of “Vikings suck, player ‘x’ sucks, coach ‘x’ sucks, play calling ‘x’ sucks, game plan ‘x’ sucks “, etc... ad nauseas, far outweighs rational debate about players, coaches and game plan approaches that are well thought out and based on a real grasp of cost, salary, age, availability, and the fact that the talent pool , although quite expansive across all of the football “ minor leagues “ is very broad and has depth, there are not 1,696 all pro players, 32 “ perfect” head coaches, 64 starting or quality level Quarterbacks, or for that matter, a “perfect formula” for winning.

Every franchise has to find its way..
Luck and league favoritism is a real thing.
The NFL is a HUGE entertainment money making circus, owned and controlled by billionaire owners and corporate executives, sponsors, and media companies.

It is pure and simple, a cash cow.

We, as fans, control nothing, but the amount of money and anguish and devotion we invest in our choosen favorite.

I may very well die, before the Vikings ever win it all and hoist the Lombardi Trophy in long-standing, righteous vindication.

That FACT, will not change my love of the game, this team, or like minded fans who bleed purple, chant “SKOL”, and have a party before during and after all wins and losses.

Ya Whiners , bitchy, cant stand to not get your way, wannabes, can go take a flying finger Fuq at a rolling donut hole.

I won’t engage you...
CPA, Ragnor, Childress, etc..

I know who the good reads and well thought out posters are....
The rest of you embarrass yourselves..


Brilliant post, Dano.

I didn't realize Childress was back. I haven't seen a post from him in years.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 4:10:02 AM   
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Pat Elflein. 3rd round pick in 2017. Rookie year and 2nd year played center. Moved to LG this year-his 1st in the Rick Dennison zone blocking scheme. Undersized for a power blocking scheme, and doesn't appear to be athletic or technique-sound for the ZBS. He looks to be an ideal backup interior lineman.

Bradbury; got to hit the weights this offseason. I don't know if the training staff is still shying away from tossing around the free weights ever since that rash of torn pecs and triceps a couple years back, but he's got to add some mass to keep from getting pushed around.

Vikes have some positional issues for next year (corner, DT), but the LG and center improvement is #1 in my eyes.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 9:15:00 AM   
Lars


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2019 season post mortem $0.02:

As many have stated, it is clear the the OL was the weak link. It has improved, and is, IMHO, average. But to win a championship, OL needs to be great. The game is still won at the LOS. Elf struggled and needs to improve or be benched as a super-sub. Draft more talent. Restructure Reiff or gone.

Cousins is not going anywhere. I don't think he is "elite", but don't loathe him like others do. There aren't better alternatives and we can win with him.

I would only keep Linval, Griffen, Rhoades with SIGNIFICANT restructures. Not likely.

I think Waynes is better than some on here do. Sign him to a fair deal.

I would not break the bank for Alexander. He's decent, but that's it. I like Hughes and Hill.

Keep AHarris.

Need a 3WR with speed. Still.

This team is not some grease fire. They went into NO and beat one of the hottest teams in the NFL - and it was no fluke win. Modest upgrade on the OL and we could have hung with anyone.


I also am not a fan of the NFL hype. Too much noise and wall-to-wall coverage. I don't like Thursday games, etc. Give me Sunday, and then MNF. And maybe some better announcers. Waaaaaaay too commercialized.

I would really love to the Vikes win a SB. I would be happy with just one. But I don't live and die with their fortunes any longer. The 2009 NFCCG was the turning point for me. I was so pissed at the NFL that I almost quit watching altogether. After the heartbreak of the 1998 NFCCG and being pissed about the 2009 season, I kinda moved on a little bit. I'm bummed when they lose, but there is no lingering hangover. Don't know if that makes me less of a fan, but oh well. Everyone I know knows I bleed purple.

I know it's good sportsmanship, etc. but all of the opposing team love after the game bugs me a bit, too. Kinda old school and maybe shitty, but I'm not gonna go hug some Bears or Packers after losing to them. They (the players) CERTAINLY have more invested with their efforts, careers, etc. but sometimes it seems like the fans take some of the losses harder than them. It's weird to be sitting there, kicked in the gut, watching our guys yuck it up with Pukers after a loss. I know what is what they do now, exchange jerseys and all that, just not my thing. **** 'em. LOL.

Anyhow, I will be watching next season and will be on here in the meantime talking draft and FA. Not going to give up on my Vikes. SKOL!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 9:34:54 AM   
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I'm with you on pretty much everything, Lars, but specifically on souring on the game after the 2009 NFCCG. By that time we already had many examples in which the refs had changed the outcome of a game because of calls they made (or didn't make) and it seemed like every time that happened the favors did NOT go to the Vikings. But that game in New Orleans where we were watching right before our very eyes the things that the coach and others were suspended for a couple of years later - and the refs just let it happen - - - it killed the game for me a bit inside.

I stopped watching the way I used to watch after that. Previous to that I wouldn't miss a game, and I even watched big parts of football games that didn't even have the Vikings in it. But my love of the game has definitely diminished even if my love of the Vikings has not. The bottom line is that I figured out that I put way too much importance on the game and was probably on my way to an ulcer - so now I just watch a little bit here and there, and there are many games I don't even watch at all.

ONE Superbowl win would allow me to feel a sense of contentment for probably a full decade - but that may not happen in my lifetime.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 9:41:35 AM   
TJSweens


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Ya know, I took a lot of people off block...

Mainly because others would respond to their trolling with unbridled hook line and sinker enthusiasm, going so far as to quote, dissect and repost entire conversations, back and forth between troll and trolled....

I can’t control that.

People wonder why many of our past posters no longer post here

It’s simple.

The ratio of “Vikings suck, player ‘x’ sucks, coach ‘x’ sucks, play calling ‘x’ sucks, game plan ‘x’ sucks “, etc... ad nauseas, far outweighs rational debate about players, coaches and game plan approaches that are well thought out and based on a real grasp of cost, salary, age, availability, and the fact that the talent pool , although quite expansive across all of the football “ minor leagues “ is very broad and has depth, there are not 1,696 all pro players, 32 “ perfect” head coaches, 64 starting or quality level Quarterbacks, or for that matter, a “perfect formula” for winning.

Every franchise has to find its way..
Luck and league favoritism is a real thing.
The NFL is a HUGE entertainment money making circus, owned and controlled by billionaire owners and corporate executives, sponsors, and media companies.

It is pure and simple, a cash cow.

We, as fans, control nothing, but the amount of money and anguish and devotion we invest in our choosen favorite.

I may very well die, before the Vikings ever win it all and hoist the Lombardi Trophy in long-standing, righteous vindication.

That FACT, will not change my love of the game, this team, or like minded fans who bleed purple, chant “SKOL”, and have a party before during and after all wins and losses.

Ya Whiners , bitchy, cant stand to not get your way, wannabes, can go take a flying finger Fuq at a rolling donut hole.

I won’t engage you...
CPA, Ragnor, Childress, etc..

I know who the good reads and well thought out posters are....
The rest of you embarrass yourselves..


Brilliant post, Dano.

I didn't realize Childress was back. I haven't seen a post from him in years.

Forget it, he's rolling.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 9:43:25 AM   
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Good post Lars

Agree the oline continues to be the weak link and pretty much has been through the Zim/Spielman era

It's probably the only unit on the team lacking a stud. I can't remember the last all-pro olineman this team has had. maybe Hutchinson?

This team will continue to flounder if this unit is not made into a strength.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 9:44:35 AM   
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Here's my unsolicited advice for those not finding talkvikes and/or the NFL to meet their standards:

If you think talkvikes is a cesspool, post less snarky one-liner passive aggressive insults. Try to limit it to one every couple of weeks.

If you don't find an adequate number of substantive posts with good analysis, write some. Or at the very least post some links to some.

If you miss the old posters that don't post much or at all anymore, stop being so hard on the very few new posters we do get.

If you think a subject gets hammered hard and beat to a pulp, scroll past it. At the very least don't reply to it.

If you think the NFL has evolved into a game that you no longer enjoy, move on. No amount of waxing nostalgic will ever bring it back.

If you are fine with the Vikings being a small pleasant distraction in your life, don't try to change others who for whatever reasons are emotionally invested at a higher (unhealthy) level. Don't try to change or control anything for that matter. This is an internet message board. You would be better served trying to change the direction the wind is blowing or the force of the tides. It's not going to happen.



It's not easy to be a fan of the Vikings. It's rewarding though. When Packer fans or any other teams' fans give me crap my new go-to reply is this. "You wouldn't last one season as a Vikings fan".

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 9:53:37 AM   
CPAMAN

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

2019 season post mortem $0.02:

As many have stated, it is clear the the OL was the weak link. It has improved, and is, IMHO, average. But to win a championship, OL needs to be great. The game is still won at the LOS. Elf struggled and needs to improve or be benched as a super-sub. Draft more talent. Restructure Reiff or gone.

Cousins is not going anywhere. I don't think he is "elite", but don't loathe him like others do. There aren't better alternatives and we can win with him.

I would only keep Linval, Griffen, Rhoades with SIGNIFICANT restructures. Not likely.

I think Waynes is better than some on here do. Sign him to a fair deal.

I would not break the bank for Alexander. He's decent, but that's it. I like Hughes and Hill.

Keep AHarris.

Need a 3WR with speed. Still.

This team is not some grease fire. They went into NO and beat one of the hottest teams in the NFL - and it was no fluke win. Modest upgrade on the OL and we could have hung with anyone.


I also am not a fan of the NFL hype. Too much noise and wall-to-wall coverage. I don't like Thursday games, etc. Give me Sunday, and then MNF. And maybe some better announcers. Waaaaaaay too commercialized.

I would really love to the Vikes win a SB. I would be happy with just one. But I don't live and die with their fortunes any longer. The 2009 NFCCG was the turning point for me. I was so pissed at the NFL that I almost quit watching altogether. After the heartbreak of the 1998 NFCCG and being pissed about the 2009 season, I kinda moved on a little bit. I'm bummed when they lose, but there is no lingering hangover. Don't know if that makes me less of a fan, but oh well. Everyone I know knows I bleed purple.

I know it's good sportsmanship, etc. but all of the opposing team love after the game bugs me a bit, too. Kinda old school and maybe shitty, but I'm not gonna go hug some Bears or Packers after losing to them. They (the players) CERTAINLY have more invested with their efforts, careers, etc. but sometimes it seems like the fans take some of the losses harder than them. It's weird to be sitting there, kicked in the gut, watching our guys yuck it up with Pukers after a loss. I know what is what they do now, exchange jerseys and all that, just not my thing. **** 'em. LOL.

Anyhow, I will be watching next season and will be on here in the meantime talking draft and FA. Not going to give up on my Vikes. SKOL!!


Not sure how the Vikings O-line ranks as even close to average when the stats suggest that it is 26th out of 32 teams. That puts it in the bottom 20%. That is equivalent to a letter D grade.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 9:57:08 AM   
CPAMAN

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Here's my unsolicited advice for those not finding talkvikes and/or the NFL to meet their standards:

If you think talkvikes is a cesspool, post less snarky one-liner passive aggressive insults. Try to limit it to one every couple of weeks.

If you don't find an adequate number of substantive posts with good analysis, write some. Or at the very least post some links to some.

If you miss the old posters that don't post much or at all anymore, stop being so hard on the very few new posters we do get.

If you think a subject gets hammered hard and beat to a pulp, scroll past it. At the very least don't reply to it.

If you think the NFL has evolved into a game that you no longer enjoy, move on. No amount of waxing nostalgic will ever bring it back.

If you are fine with the Vikings being a small pleasant distraction in your life, don't try to change others who for whatever reasons are emotionally invested at a higher (unhealthy) level. Don't try to change or control anything for that matter. This is an internet message board. You would be better served trying to change the direction the wind is blowing or the force of the tides. It's not going to happen.



It's not easy to be a fan of the Vikings. It's rewarding though. When Packer fans or any other teams' fans give me crap my new go-to reply is this. "You wouldn't last one season as a Vikings fan".


Excellent post David. The best I have seen in months. Sounds like you would be an excellent business manager. Perhaps you are already. Practical, diplomatic and resourceful.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 9:58:02 AM   
Lars


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Bottom 20% would be an F.

"Average" is my opinion. My point is that they are not awful - IMHO - but have significant room for improvement.

There is no perfect unit or perfect team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 9:59:15 AM   
CPAMAN

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Here's my unsolicited advice for those not finding talkvikes and/or the NFL to meet their standards:

If you think talkvikes is a cesspool, post less snarky one-liner passive aggressive insults. Try to limit it to one every couple of weeks.

If you don't find an adequate number of substantive posts with good analysis, write some. Or at the very least post some links to some.

If you miss the old posters that don't post much or at all anymore, stop being so hard on the very few new posters we do get.

If you think a subject gets hammered hard and beat to a pulp, scroll past it. At the very least don't reply to it.

If you think the NFL has evolved into a game that you no longer enjoy, move on. No amount of waxing nostalgic will ever bring it back.

If you are fine with the Vikings being a small pleasant distraction in your life, don't try to change others who for whatever reasons are emotionally invested at a higher (unhealthy) level. Don't try to change or control anything for that matter. This is an internet message board. You would be better served trying to change the direction the wind is blowing or the force of the tides. It's not going to happen.



It's not easy to be a fan of the Vikings. It's rewarding though. When Packer fans or any other teams' fans give me crap my new go-to reply is this. "You wouldn't last one season as a Vikings fan".


The biggest interest I have left is hoping the 49ers smoke past the Packers. GB has been resurgent this season but I think they cannot keep pace with a much quicker San Fran team

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 10:00:06 AM   
CPAMAN

 

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ORIGINAL: Lars

Bottom 20% would be an F.

"Average" is my opinion. My point is that they are not awful - IMHO - but have significant room for improvement.

There is no perfect unit or perfect team.


Right about 20% being an F. They are certainly better than that probably more like a C-

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 10:01:01 AM   
Lars


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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

Bottom 20% would be an F.

"Average" is my opinion. My point is that they are not awful - IMHO - but have significant room for improvement.

There is no perfect unit or perfect team.


Right about 20% being an F. They are certainly better than that probably more like a C-


C- seems plenty reasonable to me.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 10:17:42 AM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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David and David, and Dana and Terry and Lars, and Sweens and Lynn, and Todd O and Todd M and Jandro and Johansson, and Dr V, , Pete C, SMF, Odel, Mr Ed, zubair, Ricky, Richard, my home boy Steve, a big portion of the idle talk, crew, the hockey geeks, the political Bravehearts, who wade into that minefield, even those who FN hate me and despise my points of view, make this site what it is.

Let’s just say I find Talkvikes a very diverse and appealing and fulfilling place to engage in

Some not.. trigger trigger, not the Lone Ranger, PTSD is my default setting.

I take meds, because my mind can not believe the CHIT that life comes up with.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 10:19:00 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Here's my unsolicited advice for those not finding talkvikes and/or the NFL to meet their standards:

If you think talkvikes is a cesspool, post less snarky one-liner passive aggressive insults. Try to limit it to one every couple of weeks.

If you don't find an adequate number of substantive posts with good analysis, write some. Or at the very least post some links to some.

If you miss the old posters that don't post much or at all anymore, stop being so hard on the very few new posters we do get.

If you think a subject gets hammered hard and beat to a pulp, scroll past it. At the very least don't reply to it.

If you think the NFL has evolved into a game that you no longer enjoy, move on. No amount of waxing nostalgic will ever bring it back.

If you are fine with the Vikings being a small pleasant distraction in your life, don't try to change others who for whatever reasons are emotionally invested at a higher (unhealthy) level. Don't try to change or control anything for that matter. This is an internet message board. You would be better served trying to change the direction the wind is blowing or the force of the tides. It's not going to happen.



It's not easy to be a fan of the Vikings. It's rewarding though. When Packer fans or any other teams' fans give me crap my new go-to reply is this. "You wouldn't last one season as a Vikings fan".


Excellent post David. The best I have seen in months. Sounds like you would be an excellent business manager. Perhaps you are already. Practical, diplomatic and resourceful.

Agreed! Unfortunately it will be ignored in short order by those few that think they have control over the narrative on here. It's very sound advice and a very good post!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 10:31:56 AM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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Hey to my Friday night ad if I missed naming you.. don’t feel left out.. join the crowd..

I know we have readers who don’t and won’t post, and that’s Ok.

I have only seen three or four people disappear, never to be seen again... might be more as I think about it... death alone has taken twice that..

The point is.. I am still here, despite it all or because of it all..

Where has the dude abides, gone?

Rambling...

It’s the off season..

I am just streaming my bullchit..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 10:32:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lars

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Bottom 20% would be an F.

"Average" is my opinion. My point is that they are not awful - IMHO - but have significant room for improvement.

There is no perfect unit or perfect team.


Right about 20% being an F. They are certainly better than that probably more like a C-


C- seems plenty reasonable to me.


they were pretty good on sacks allowed, and we were a top rushing team....so, it would seem that they should at least get a C-


I am not trying to defend the Oline, i think it was our weakest link, followed by the drop off in CB play


I suspect the 'improvement' was largely a scheme change. Now if we can add some talent to the scheme, we may be on too something

Elf was pretty bad most of the year, i dont think there is anything 'there'...obvious priority

Bradbury had a couple bright spots, but is very concerning, it will be a big set-back, if he cant improve markedly

Reiff was average (maybe slightly below), but is paid as a top 8, i think. He is more like 18ish, IMO. i could justify him as a player, but not at that price

Kline was a nice fine, not pro bowler, but a legit NFL player at the right price

Oneil is a stud, i dont know if he can play left tackle, but that guy is really good

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 10:34:00 AM   
Richard Neussendorfer

 

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Hey to my Friday night ad if I missed naming you.. don’t feel left out.. join the crowd..

I know we have readers who don’t and won’t post, and that’s Ok.

I have only seen three or four people disappear, never to be seen again... might be more as I think about it... death alone has taken twice that..

The point is.. I am still here, despite it all or because of it all..

Where has the dude abides, gone?

Rambling...

It’s the off season..

I am just streaming my bullchit..

Good stuff Dan! Love it! I often wonder where some of the posters have gone. One name that always comes to mind is Imran! He was a hoot and a half!

< Message edited by Richard Neussendorfer -- 1/14/2020 10:37:17 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 10:34:40 AM   
drviking


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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Here's my unsolicited advice for those not finding talkvikes and/or the NFL to meet their standards:

If you think talkvikes is a cesspool, post less snarky one-liner passive aggressive insults. Try to limit it to one every couple of weeks.

If you don't find an adequate number of substantive posts with good analysis, write some. Or at the very least post some links to some.

If you miss the old posters that don't post much or at all anymore, stop being so hard on the very few new posters we do get.

If you think a subject gets hammered hard and beat to a pulp, scroll past it. At the very least don't reply to it.

If you think the NFL has evolved into a game that you no longer enjoy, move on. No amount of waxing nostalgic will ever bring it back.

If you are fine with the Vikings being a small pleasant distraction in your life, don't try to change others who for whatever reasons are emotionally invested at a higher (unhealthy) level. Don't try to change or control anything for that matter. This is an internet message board. You would be better served trying to change the direction the wind is blowing or the force of the tides. It's not going to happen.



It's not easy to be a fan of the Vikings. It's rewarding though. When Packer fans or any other teams' fans give me crap my new go-to reply is this. "You wouldn't last one season as a Vikings fan".


The biggest interest I have left is hoping the 49ers smoke past the Packers. GB has been resurgent this season but I think they cannot keep pace with a much quicker San Fran team


my concern is that Jimmy G looked pretty bad against us, but obviously we didnt make them pay for it. He barely threw the ball in the 2nd half and we couldnt do anything about it

Packers may not have that issue

we will see

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2020 10:38:17 AM   
drviking


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ORIGINAL: David F.

Here's my unsolicited advice for those not finding talkvikes and/or the NFL to meet their standards:

If you think talkvikes is a cesspool, post less snarky one-liner passive aggressive insults. Try to limit it to one every couple of weeks.

If you don't find an adequate number of substantive posts with good analysis, write some. Or at the very least post some links to some.

If you miss the old posters that don't post much or at all anymore, stop being so hard on the very few new posters we do get.

If you think a subject gets hammered hard and beat to a pulp, scroll past it. At the very least don't reply to it.

If you think the NFL has evolved into a game that you no longer enjoy, move on. No amount of waxing nostalgic will ever bring it back.

If you are fine with the Vikings being a small pleasant distraction in your life, don't try to change others who for whatever reasons are emotionally invested at a higher (unhealthy) level. Don't try to change or control anything for that matter. This is an internet message board. You would be better served trying to change the direction the wind is blowing or the force of the tides. It's not going to happen.



It's not easy to be a fan of the Vikings. It's rewarding though. When Packer fans or any other teams' fans give me crap my new go-to reply is this. "You wouldn't last one season as a Vikings fan".


odd statement after good rant about changing an internet message board

YMMV

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