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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/6/2020 10:42:55 PM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

Putting a 3-4 guy on the staff is a change. And it isn't some young buck he can dismiss.

Another newsflash, balanced offenses are back in vogue. The Rams high flying offense came and gone faster than the 'Run and Shoot".


Balanced offenses have always been in vogue. Exploiting player matchups without regard to balance in any particular game or even half of a game is the new direction of the game. They can’t protect their qb or their qb is new or nervous? Blitz too much. They can’t defend the run? Run too much. Their pass rush is undisciplined? Throw too many screens. They have a weak/unproven Oline player? Send all your stunts and zone blitzes at him. Etc....

You yourself said the NO game was a great game plan. Both sides of the ball.

Then SF Front 7 exploited our weakness.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/6/2020 11:01:46 PM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.

I just think that Final 4 and Final 8 in the last 3 years isn't too bad.

You would swear Zimmer was Les Steckel sometimes.

Not bad, not great. What’s obvious is that many of his guys aren’t sticking around when given the option to leave.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/6/2020 11:07:17 PM   
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Sean Borman@SeanBormanNFL
"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.

I just think that Final 4 and Final 8 in the last 3 years isn't too bad.

You would swear Zimmer was Les Steckel sometimes.

Not bad, not great. What’s obvious is that many of his guys aren’t sticking around when given the option to leave.

I would agree that Diggs, Kearse and Alexander are young guys that you would want to stay.

Everyone else who left was because we were cap strapped or their play was bad.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/6/2020 11:30:57 PM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

Putting a 3-4 guy on the staff is a change. And it isn't some young buck he can dismiss.

Another newsflash, balanced offenses are back in vogue. The Rams high flying offense came and gone faster than the 'Run and Shoot".


Balanced offenses have always been in vogue. Exploiting player matchups without regard to balance in any particular game or even half of a game is the new direction of the game. They can’t protect their qb or their qb is new or nervous? Blitz too much. They can’t defend the run? Run too much. Their pass rush is undisciplined? Throw too many screens. They have a weak/unproven Oline player? Send all your stunts and zone blitzes at him. Etc....

You yourself said the NO game was a great game plan. Both sides of the ball.

Then SF Front 7 exploited our weakness.


Yes that game was zimmer’s masterpiece. I also loved the opener when we barely threw at all. I don’t give a crap about ‘passing a lot’. I’m interested in being willing to ignore conventional wisdom like ‘have balance’ of there’s a matchup, tendency, and/or deficiency to exploit. I learned this when Belichick came in and ignored our Williams Wall and threw on us all game long.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 6:28:16 AM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.

If you say so.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 6:30:20 AM   
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Sean Borman@SeanBormanNFL
"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.

I just think that Final 4 and Final 8 in the last 3 years isn't too bad.

You would swear Zimmer was Les Steckel sometimes.

Not bad, not great. What’s obvious is that many of his guys aren’t sticking around when given the option to leave.

Until this year we have been keeping our own players to a fault. This year is simply a correction of the market.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 8:40:30 AM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

Putting a 3-4 guy on the staff is a change. And it isn't some young buck he can dismiss.

Another newsflash, balanced offenses are back in vogue. The Rams high flying offense came and gone faster than the 'Run and Shoot".


Balanced offenses have always been in vogue. Exploiting player matchups without regard to balance in any particular game or even half of a game is the new direction of the game. They can’t protect their qb or their qb is new or nervous? Blitz too much. They can’t defend the run? Run too much. Their pass rush is undisciplined? Throw too many screens. They have a weak/unproven Oline player? Send all your stunts and zone blitzes at him. Etc....

You yourself said the NO game was a great game plan. Both sides of the ball.

Then SF Front 7 exploited our weakness.


Yes that game was zimmer’s masterpiece. I also loved the opener when we barely threw at all. I don’t give a crap about ‘passing a lot’. I’m interested in being willing to ignore conventional wisdom like ‘have balance’ of there’s a matchup, tendency, and/or deficiency to exploit. I learned this when Belichick came in and ignored our Williams Wall and threw on us all game long.


Was that when Bledsoe passed like 70 times?
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 12:49:41 PM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

Putting a 3-4 guy on the staff is a change. And it isn't some young buck he can dismiss.

Another newsflash, balanced offenses are back in vogue. The Rams high flying offense came and gone faster than the 'Run and Shoot".


Balanced offenses have always been in vogue. Exploiting player matchups without regard to balance in any particular game or even half of a game is the new direction of the game. They can’t protect their qb or their qb is new or nervous? Blitz too much. They can’t defend the run? Run too much. Their pass rush is undisciplined? Throw too many screens. They have a weak/unproven Oline player? Send all your stunts and zone blitzes at him. Etc....

You yourself said the NO game was a great game plan. Both sides of the ball.

Then SF Front 7 exploited our weakness.


Yes that game was zimmer’s masterpiece. I also loved the opener when we barely threw at all. I don’t give a crap about ‘passing a lot’. I’m interested in being willing to ignore conventional wisdom like ‘have balance’ of there’s a matchup, tendency, and/or deficiency to exploit. I learned this when Belichick came in and ignored our Williams Wall and threw on us all game long.


Was that when Bledsoe passed like 70 times?

If memory serves correct is seems like they passed like 40 out of 45 plays during a certain stretch of the game. I'm pretty sure it was Brady at qb.
*edit I looked it up and I think it was the game in 2006.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 12:55:45 PM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.

If you say so.

I do.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 1:12:49 PM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.

If you say so.

I do.

There you go. I personally see these dinosaur accusations as just frustrated fans looking for a reason to be unhappy with a pretty successful coach. In the last three seasons the Zimmer coached Vikings have finished 3rd, out of the playoffs and 5th. Now according Ricky Bobby that is bad. According to his dad that is pretty good.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 1:25:10 PM   
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When you say 3rd and 5th are you giving them the highest place for the round they were eliminated in?

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 1:36:47 PM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.

If you say so.

I do.

There you go. I personally see these dinosaur accusations as just frustrated fans looking for a reason to be unhappy with a pretty successful coach. In the last three seasons the Zimmer coached Vikings have finished 3rd, out of the playoffs and 5th. Now according Ricky Bobby that is bad. According to his dad that is pretty good.

It's pretty well documented that he's an old school hard nosed coach. Calling him a dinosaur is not a revelation by any means. Doesn't matter if he had some modicum of success. He had great players, he should've been successful. He's not one of the innovative minds in the game, that is clear.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 1:41:45 PM   
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When you say 3rd and 5th are you giving them the highest place for the round they were eliminated in?

Of course. Why wouldn't I ? I could have said tied for 3rd so 3rd or 4th. I could have said tied for 5th so 5th through 8th. Sounds better to just say 3rd and 5th.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 1:43:02 PM   
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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."



The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.

If you say so.

I do.

There you go. I personally see these dinosaur accusations as just frustrated fans looking for a reason to be unhappy with a pretty successful coach. In the last three seasons the Zimmer coached Vikings have finished 3rd, out of the playoffs and 5th. Now according Ricky Bobby that is bad. According to his dad that is pretty good.

It's pretty well documented that he's an old school hard nosed coach. Calling him a dinosaur is not a revelation by any means. Doesn't matter if he had some modicum of success. He had great players, he should've been successful. He's not one of the innovative minds in the game, that is clear.

Nothing clear about it. He's proposing zigging when others are zagging. Sounds innovative to me.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 2:20:31 PM   
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The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.

If you say so.

I do.

There you go. I personally see these dinosaur accusations as just frustrated fans looking for a reason to be unhappy with a pretty successful coach. In the last three seasons the Zimmer coached Vikings have finished 3rd, out of the playoffs and 5th. Now according Ricky Bobby that is bad. According to his dad that is pretty good.

It's pretty well documented that he's an old school hard nosed coach. Calling him a dinosaur is not a revelation by any means. Doesn't matter if he had some modicum of success. He had great players, he should've been successful. He's not one of the innovative minds in the game, that is clear.

Nothing clear about it. He's proposing zigging when others are zagging. Sounds innovative to me.



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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 2:35:25 PM   
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The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

Putting a 3-4 guy on the staff is a change. And it isn't some young buck he can dismiss.

Another newsflash, balanced offenses are back in vogue. The Rams high flying offense came and gone faster than the 'Run and Shoot".


Balanced offenses have always been in vogue. Exploiting player matchups without regard to balance in any particular game or even half of a game is the new direction of the game. They can’t protect their qb or their qb is new or nervous? Blitz too much. They can’t defend the run? Run too much. Their pass rush is undisciplined? Throw too many screens. They have a weak/unproven Oline player? Send all your stunts and zone blitzes at him. Etc....

You yourself said the NO game was a great game plan. Both sides of the ball.

Then SF Front 7 exploited our weakness.


Yes that game was zimmer’s masterpiece. I also loved the opener when we barely threw at all. I don’t give a crap about ‘passing a lot’. I’m interested in being willing to ignore conventional wisdom like ‘have balance’ of there’s a matchup, tendency, and/or deficiency to exploit. I learned this when Belichick came in and ignored our Williams Wall and threw on us all game long.


Was that when Bledsoe passed like 70 times?

If memory serves correct is seems like they passed like 40 out of 45 plays during a certain stretch of the game. I'm pretty sure it was Brady at qb.
*edit I looked it up and I think it was the game in 2006.


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One of the men to go over 4,000 yards in 1994 was the New England Patriots’ Drew Bledsoe. The quarterback, who was drafted first overall one year earlier, actually led the NFL in passing yardage that year with 4,555. He also was the league-leader in another category: Bledsoe attempted 691 regular season passes — and 70 of them came in a single week 11 game versus the Minnesota Vikings; a record that still stands today.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/7/2020 3:00:52 PM   
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Yes that game was zimmer’s masterpiece. I also loved the opener when we barely threw at all. I don’t give a crap about ‘passing a lot’. I’m interested in being willing to ignore conventional wisdom like ‘have balance’ of there’s a matchup, tendency, and/or deficiency to exploit. I learned this when Belichick came in and ignored our Williams Wall and threw on us all game long.


Was that when Bledsoe passed like 70 times?

If memory serves correct is seems like they passed like 40 out of 45 plays during a certain stretch of the game. I'm pretty sure it was Brady at qb.
*edit I looked it up and I think it was the game in 2006.


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One of the men to go over 4,000 yards in 1994 was the New England Patriots’ Drew Bledsoe. The quarterback, who was drafted first overall one year earlier, actually led the NFL in passing yardage that year with 4,555. He also was the league-leader in another category: Bledsoe attempted 691 regular season passes — and 70 of them came in a single week 11 game versus the Minnesota Vikings; a record that still stands today.


The game probably was in 2006 because Pat Williams became a Viking in 2005 and Belichick became the Pats Head Coach in 2000.

Parcells was the Pats Coach in 1994 and Denny Green was the Vikings Coach.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/8/2020 9:13:28 AM   
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/8/2020 10:04:35 AM   
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Can we trade those comp picks for a crapload of 7th rounders? Give Trader Rick something to do?
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/8/2020 10:06:54 AM   
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Are there any free agent receivers left who benefit us (and who we could afford)? I would like at least one more experienced guy before we draft a rookie.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/8/2020 10:25:08 AM  1 votes
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Can we trade those comp picks for a crapload of 7th rounders? Give Trader Rick something to do?

Wasn't there some kind of rule against trading comp picks? Did that change?

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/8/2020 10:34:57 AM   
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Can we trade those comp picks for a crapload of 7th rounders? Give Trader Rick something to do?

Wasn't there some kind of rule against trading comp picks? Did that change?

You can trade them now.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/8/2020 11:59:59 AM   
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How about the Vikings send RB Dalvin Cook to the Eagles for WR Alshon Jeffery and a 3rd rounder ?

It's a passing league, and Mattison is almost as good as the injury prone Cook.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/8/2020 12:39:45 PM   
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How about the Vikings send RB Dalvin Cook to the Eagles for WR Alshon Jeffery and a 3rd rounder ?

It's a passing league, and Mattison is almost as good as the injury prone Cook.

Draft Pittman or Edwards and keep Cook.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 4/8/2020 1:26:03 PM   
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How about the Vikings send RB Dalvin Cook to the Eagles for WR Alshon Jeffery and a 3rd rounder ?

It's a passing league, and Mattison is almost as good as the injury prone Cook.

Draft Pittman or Edwards and keep Cook.

Or Claypool, or Aiyuk, or Mims, or Jefferson, or Reagor,

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