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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I don't see any of our CB's who are free agents on this list.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102237/article/ten-cornerbacks-worth-pursuing-in-free-agency2020-nfl-draft

spotrac lists the value of waynes and alexander as $8.5/yr each...i'd keep waynes for that price....

waynes - hughes - hill - 2nd rounder - boyd - 6th rounder

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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Mike Zimmer says at combine Vikings met with Everson Griffen agent last night and Zimmer expects Griffen to return to team

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Chris Tomasson
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Mike Zimmer says at combine Vikings met with Everson Griffen agent last night and Zimmer expects Griffen to return to team

So Griffen opted out of his renegotiated contract with the Vikes, there must be some expectation that we will offer him more $? How could it be otherwise?

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Chris Tomasson
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Mike Zimmer says at combine Vikings met with Everson Griffen agent last night and Zimmer expects Griffen to return to team

So Griffen opted out of his renegotiated contract with the Vikes, there must be some expectation that we will offer him more $? How could it be otherwise?

Guarantees are as important as dollar amount, Griff's remaining contract had zero in guarantees.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I don't see any of our CB's who are free agents on this list.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102237/article/ten-cornerbacks-worth-pursuing-in-free-agency2020-nfl-draft

spotrac lists the value of waynes and alexander as $8.5/yr each...i'd keep waynes for that price....

waynes - hughes - hill - 2nd rounder - boyd - 6th rounder

PFF has them at Waynes for $7.5 and Mac for $4.5. I'd still keep neither.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer
Mike Zimmer on #Vikings UFA Anthony Harris, who tied NFL lead with six INTs in reg season:

"I love Anthony. If he doesn't come back, I think he's earned everything he's got, but if you put up the positions most important on defense it's probably not going to be safety."

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I agree with Zim here.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer
Mike Zimmer on #Vikings UFA Anthony Harris, who tied NFL lead with six INTs in reg season:

"I love Anthony. If he doesn't come back, I think he's earned everything he's got, but if you put up the positions most important on defense it's probably not going to be safety."

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I agree with Zim here.

So we have two elite players at the unimportant position and hot smelly garbage at CB and a weak interior D-Line. Brilliant! So I guess the important spots are whatever Kendricks, Hunter, and Griffen were playing?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Chris Tomasson
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Mike Zimmer says at combine Vikings met with Everson Griffen agent last night and Zimmer expects Griffen to return to team

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Chris Tomasson
@christomasson
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Mike Zimmer says at combine Vikings met with Everson Griffen agent last night and Zimmer expects Griffen to return to team

So Griffen opted out of his renegotiated contract with the Vikes, there must be some expectation that we will offer him more $? How could it be otherwise?

Guarantees are as important as dollar amount, Griff's remaining contract had zero in guarantees.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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i don't think that you addressed left guard adequately - i'm hoping we sign a free agent stud...i'd rather pick a right tackle with our 2nd round pick and de in the 3rd...we need to save more cap space - reiff is cut - o'neill to lt and rookie at rt....

would have liked a cb picked by the 4th round and another later....

i like that you dealt with our dt issue - with what you've done, i'd cut stephen and save $2.5m....

i think we've got a pretty good crop of young untested wr's on the team - if we're signing perryman i'd give the best one a chance and don't draft one - maybe late if there's one we really like....

hercules doesn't make the team as a lb....

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ORIGINAL: David F.

OK so I went ahead and put together my 53-man-roster for 2020. This is more of a discussion piece than a prediction or a 'what should happen' kind of thing. I've made a LOT of assumptions and signed some contracts that might not be big enough. I also went ahead and drafted all our picks, made some cuts, signed some free agents, and restructured some of our guys. I'm also still $8 million over the cap so there will still need to be at least one change. I didn't restructure Rieff and we might be able to get under the cap just with that alone. Either that or one of the big ticket free agents will have to go. Here's the roster. I used the existing cap hit for the players that are currently under contract. After the roster I laid out what the new contracts look like. Some or maybe all of this might be unrealistic and that's fine. It's a conversation piece. All contracts are in millions

Cousins $21
#205 Draft pick Shea Patterson $.6

Diggs $14.5
Thielen $12.7
Free agent Breshard Perryman $7
Bisi Johnson $.6
#122 Draft pick Trishton Jackson $.7

Cook $2
Mattison $.8
Boone $.66
Some random garbage $.63

Rudolph $9.5
Irv $1.3
Morgan $.75
Conklin $.73

Ham $1

Kendricks $10
Barr $12.7
Wilson $2.9 Second round tender
Gedeon $.9
Hercules $.660

Hunter $14.5
#58 Draft pick Kenny Wilekes $1
Odenbingo $.66
Yarbrough $.66

O'Neil $1.2
Rieff $13.2
Collins $.66
Udoh $.63
Dozier $800 One year deal

Smith $6
Harris $7
Kearse $1
Random garbage $.63

Free agent DJ Reader $9
#25 Draft pick Justin Madubuike $2.5
Stephen $5
Jaleel $.9
Holmes $.8
Watts $.63

Free agent Chris Harris $8
Hughes $2.7
Mac Alexander $3
Hill $.66
Boyd $361

Bradbury $3

Kline $6
#89 Draft Pick Logan Strasberg $.8
Samia $.8
7th rounder $.5

Colquitt $3
Bailey $2
Cutting $.6

I cut Linval, Rhodes, and Elflein. I took guesses on Colquitt, Bailey, and Mac Alexander (he'll average more than $3mil per year but the first year is always lower.

There's $9 million in dead cap

I redid Cousins 5 yrs $150 million with $95 G - it's basically Matt Ryan's contract. The cap hits go up each year and max out at $34 million in year 5.

I gave DJ Reader 4 yrs $58 million with $29 G - cap hits going from 20 - 23 are 9,11,15, and 20

I gave Chris Harris Jr. 3 yrs $40 million with $18 G - cap hits 8, 14, 18

I gave Anthony Harris 6 years $84 million with $32 G - cap hits 7, 11, 15, 15, and can't remember the last 2.

I redid Harrison Smith to 4 yrs $52 million. Cap hits 6, 9, 14, and 17.


Some opinions of mine. We're doing a GREAT job at the RB position. INCREDIBLE value. Barr and Rudolph are the worst contracts and since the contracts are so new there's really no room to make any changes.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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david f

i don't think that you addressed left guard adequately - i'm hoping we sign a free agent stud...i'd rather pick a right tackle with our 2nd round pick and de in the 3rd...we need to save more cap space - reiff is cut - o'neill to lt and rookie at rt....

would have liked a cb picked by the 4th round and another later....

i like that you dealt with our dt issue - with what you've done, i'd cut stephen and save $2.5m....

i think we've got a pretty good crop of young untested wr's on the team - if we're signing perryman i'd give the best one a chance and don't draft one - maybe late if there's one we really like....

hercules doesn't make the team as a lb....

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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david f

i don't think that you addressed left guard adequately - i'm hoping we sign a free agent stud...i'd rather pick a right tackle with our 2nd round pick and de in the 3rd...we need to save more cap space - reiff is cut - o'neill to lt and rookie at rt....

would have liked a cb picked by the 4th round and another later....

i like that you dealt with our dt issue - with what you've done, i'd cut stephen and save $2.5m....

i think we've got a pretty good crop of young untested wr's on the team - if we're signing perryman i'd give the best one a chance and don't draft one - maybe late if there's one we really like....

hercules doesn't make the team as a lb....

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Thanks for putting in the effort David - those are a lot of work but interesting to read.

I would use the 8M to extend ONeil before a contract year. We did it with Diggs, Hunter, Kendricks, etc etc. We don't want Oneil to hit FA. I was very focal about extending Harris before last year - would have rather done that than sign Stephen. Could have had him for a very 5/M or so deal.

Me personally, I cut Reiff - move Oneil to LT and let Collins/Udah/Draft pick battle it out. I'm tired of average - I'd rather gamble on improved play even with the downside risk. When Oneil was drafted I did some research of All Pro LTs, I think 50% (or at least a lot of them) in the last 30 of them followed the same trajectory as Oneil. TE to RT to LT. Plus Oneil played LT in college. I'd use that 8M in savings from Reif to upgrade LG.

Well done!

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ORIGINAL: David F.

OK so I went ahead and put together my 53-man-roster for 2020. This is more of a discussion piece than a prediction or a 'what should happen' kind of thing. I've made a LOT of assumptions and signed some contracts that might not be big enough. I also went ahead and drafted all our picks, made some cuts, signed some free agents, and restructured some of our guys. I'm also still $8 million over the cap so there will still need to be at least one change. I didn't restructure Rieff and we might be able to get under the cap just with that alone. Either that or one of the big ticket free agents will have to go. Here's the roster. I used the existing cap hit for the players that are currently under contract. After the roster I laid out what the new contracts look like. Some or maybe all of this might be unrealistic and that's fine. It's a conversation piece. All contracts are in millions

Cousins $21
#205 Draft pick Shea Patterson $.6

Diggs $14.5
Thielen $12.7
Free agent Breshard Perryman $7
Bisi Johnson $.6
#122 Draft pick Trishton Jackson $.7

Cook $2
Mattison $.8
Boone $.66
Some random garbage $.63

Rudolph $9.5
Irv $1.3
Morgan $.75
Conklin $.73

Ham $1

Kendricks $10
Barr $12.7
Wilson $2.9 Second round tender
Gedeon $.9
Hercules $.660

Hunter $14.5
#58 Draft pick Kenny Wilekes $1
Odenbingo $.66
Yarbrough $.66

O'Neil $1.2
Rieff $13.2
Collins $.66
Udoh $.63
Dozier $800 One year deal

Smith $6
Harris $7
Kearse $1
Random garbage $.63

Free agent DJ Reader $9
#25 Draft pick Justin Madubuike $2.5
Stephen $5
Jaleel $.9
Holmes $.8
Watts $.63

Free agent Chris Harris $8
Hughes $2.7
Mac Alexander $3
Hill $.66
Boyd $361

Bradbury $3

Kline $6
#89 Draft Pick Logan Strasberg $.8
Samia $.8
7th rounder $.5

Colquitt $3
Bailey $2
Cutting $.6

I cut Linval, Rhodes, and Elflein. I took guesses on Colquitt, Bailey, and Mac Alexander (he'll average more than $3mil per year but the first year is always lower.

There's $9 million in dead cap

I redid Cousins 5 yrs $150 million with $95 G - it's basically Matt Ryan's contract. The cap hits go up each year and max out at $34 million in year 5.

I gave DJ Reader 4 yrs $58 million with $29 G - cap hits going from 20 - 23 are 9,11,15, and 20

I gave Chris Harris Jr. 3 yrs $40 million with $18 G - cap hits 8, 14, 18

I gave Anthony Harris 6 years $84 million with $32 G - cap hits 7, 11, 15, 15, and can't remember the last 2.

I redid Harrison Smith to 4 yrs $52 million. Cap hits 6, 9, 14, and 17.


Some opinions of mine. We're doing a GREAT job at the RB position. INCREDIBLE value. Barr and Rudolph are the worst contracts and since the contracts are so new there's really no room to make any changes.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

OK so I went ahead and put together my 53-man-roster for 2020. This is more of a discussion piece than a prediction or a 'what should happen' kind of thing. I've made a LOT of assumptions and signed some contracts that might not be big enough. I also went ahead and drafted all our picks, made some cuts, signed some free agents, and restructured some of our guys. I'm also still $8 million over the cap so there will still need to be at least one change. I didn't restructure Rieff and we might be able to get under the cap just with that alone. Either that or one of the big ticket free agents will have to go. Here's the roster. I used the existing cap hit for the players that are currently under contract. After the roster I laid out what the new contracts look like. Some or maybe all of this might be unrealistic and that's fine. It's a conversation piece. All contracts are in millions

Cousins $21
#205 Draft pick Shea Patterson $.6

Diggs $14.5
Thielen $12.7
Free agent Breshard Perryman $7
Bisi Johnson $.6
#122 Draft pick Trishton Jackson $.7

Cook $2
Mattison $.8
Boone $.66
Some random garbage $.63

Rudolph $9.5
Irv $1.3
Morgan $.75
Conklin $.73

Ham $1

Kendricks $10
Barr $12.7
Wilson $2.9 Second round tender
Gedeon $.9
Hercules $.660

Hunter $14.5
#58 Draft pick Kenny Wilekes $1
Odenbingo $.66
Yarbrough $.66

O'Neil $1.2
Rieff $13.2
Collins $.66
Udoh $.63
Dozier $800 One year deal

Smith $6
Harris $7
Kearse $1
Random garbage $.63

Free agent DJ Reader $9
#25 Draft pick Justin Madubuike $2.5
Stephen $5
Jaleel $.9
Holmes $.8
Watts $.63

Free agent Chris Harris $8
Hughes $2.7
Mac Alexander $3
Hill $.66
Boyd $361

Bradbury $3

Kline $6
#89 Draft Pick Logan Strasberg $.8
Samia $.8
7th rounder $.5

Colquitt $3
Bailey $2
Cutting $.6

I cut Linval, Rhodes, and Elflein. I took guesses on Colquitt, Bailey, and Mac Alexander (he'll average more than $3mil per year but the first year is always lower.

There's $9 million in dead cap

I redid Cousins 5 yrs $150 million with $95 G - it's basically Matt Ryan's contract. The cap hits go up each year and max out at $34 million in year 5.

I gave DJ Reader 4 yrs $58 million with $29 G - cap hits going from 20 - 23 are 9,11,15, and 20

I gave Chris Harris Jr. 3 yrs $40 million with $18 G - cap hits 8, 14, 18

I gave Anthony Harris 6 years $84 million with $32 G - cap hits 7, 11, 15, 15, and can't remember the last 2.

I redid Harrison Smith to 4 yrs $52 million. Cap hits 6, 9, 14, and 17.


Some opinions of mine. We're doing a GREAT job at the RB position. INCREDIBLE value. Barr and Rudolph are the worst contracts and since the contracts are so new there's really no room to make any changes.

Usually, we could not be more different in our perspective ... but I think you’ve done a real good job with this.

I can’t see us picking up 3 decent FAs (Perryman, Reader, Harris) and keeping S Harris, Kearse, Alexander ... that would be a very very strong FA offseason given our cap but is just a feeling and you have numbers to back up your pov. Reader and keeping Alexander and some third tier FAs would be about my projection.

There is also talk out there about moving Reiff inside. I think we splurge on either a guard or dt, and if we go dt I move Reiff inside, slide o’neill over and draft rt to compete with hill, maybe udoh. Its far from ideal for an ongoing historical weakness but I could see it unfolding.