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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 12:07:51 PM   
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Interesting to see where the draft gurus rank the receivers. Their views do vary.

https://www.vikings.com/news/wide-receiver-2020-nfl-draft-prospects-after-stefon-diggs-trade

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 12:31:22 PM   
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I asked Ludford if we should trade up or down. He basically said it could work well either way. Then I asked him if he likes a WR there. I'll share if he responds.



"work well either way". Such commitment!

So essentially you've imported this Ludford as a poster here, relaying what he said and what he replies. A crappy poster at that.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 12:35:39 PM  1 votes
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I'm at the point of overload with the hundreds of twitter comments being relayed in. Suffocating. Endless posts every day by a single person, maybe more than the rest of the board combined. My issue, not on anybody else. Will IP, no offense.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 1:52:48 PM   
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The more I look at the first-round of the #NFLDraft the more it appears that no OL, CB, and probably DL will be worth drafting at 22 or 25 for the #Vikings Sad.

(Warren Ludford on Twitter)

That's utterly ridiculous.


Agreed. Having looked at a lot of mock drafts and prospect rankings it has become apparent (to me at least) that the Vikings best bet to find instant impact players at their greatest positions of need in this years draft is to draft in this order:

1st Rd - CB and DT
2nd Rd - WR
3rd Rd - OG

The top 3 WR's will be gone before the Vikings pick. There's a drop off to the next level with a ton of WR's bunched together in ability. Of course, if CeeDee Lamb falls to the Vikings you sprint to the (virtual) stage, but it's not happening. Likewise, DT's Derrick Brown and probably Javon Kinlaw will be gone before we pick. If Kinlaw somehow falls, again that's a no-brainer first pick. However, with the DT's there appear to be only 4, maybe 5 that set themselves apart from the second level. At least on paper. If the Vikings wait until the 2nd round to pick a DT they will likely be gone. Regarding CB's there appears to be 1 elite guys in Okudah, a close second in CJ Henderson, 3 extremely talented prospects, then a large group of guys with bigger question marks. Considering the value of the position, if the Vikings wait until the second round they're going to be looking through that group of prospects with the bigger question marks. Finally, regarding Oline, we all know that the Vikings need to continue shoring up their oline, but after the big 4 (that will be gone before we draft) there's a drop off. We need an OT for the future, but not at the expense of an OG for right now. Someone like Josh Jones (OT), who many have mocked to the Vikings might help, but according to his scouting report he's going to need some real work before he's starter material, which means he won't be replacing Reiff right away if at all. Additionally, 1st round OT's have often struggled mightily their first year in the league. Meanwhile, the OG rankings are all over the place, meaning there's no consensus stud this year. Spielman is as likely to strike gold in the 3rd round as he is in the first. Something that is less likely to occur at the other positions in the draft.

That said, watch RS pick WR, LB, RB, QB with his first 4 picks...

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 3:15:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The more I look at the first-round of the #NFLDraft the more it appears that no OL, CB, and probably DL will be worth drafting at 22 or 25 for the #Vikings Sad.

(Warren Ludford on Twitter)

That's utterly ridiculous.


Agreed. Having looked at a lot of mock drafts and prospect rankings it has become apparent (to me at least) that the Vikings best bet to find instant impact players at their greatest positions of need in this years draft is to draft in this order:

1st Rd - CB and DT
2nd Rd - WR
3rd Rd - OG

The top 3 WR's will be gone before the Vikings pick. There's a drop off to the next level with a ton of WR's bunched together in ability. Of course, if CeeDee Lamb falls to the Vikings you sprint to the (virtual) stage, but it's not happening. Likewise, DT's Derrick Brown and probably Javon Kinlaw will be gone before we pick. If Kinlaw somehow falls, again that's a no-brainer first pick. However, with the DT's there appear to be only 4, maybe 5 that set themselves apart from the second level. At least on paper. If the Vikings wait until the 2nd round to pick a DT they will likely be gone. Regarding CB's there appears to be 1 elite guys in Okudah, a close second in CJ Henderson, 3 extremely talented prospects, then a large group of guys with bigger question marks. Considering the value of the position, if the Vikings wait until the second round they're going to be looking through that group of prospects with the bigger question marks. Finally, regarding Oline, we all know that the Vikings need to continue shoring up their oline, but after the big 4 (that will be gone before we draft) there's a drop off. We need an OT for the future, but not at the expense of an OG for right now. Someone like Josh Jones (OT), who many have mocked to the Vikings might help, but according to his scouting report he's going to need some real work before he's starter material, which means he won't be replacing Reiff right away if at all. Additionally, 1st round OT's have often struggled mightily their first year in the league. Meanwhile, the OG rankings are all over the place, meaning there's no consensus stud this year. Spielman is as likely to strike gold in the 3rd round as he is in the first. Something that is less likely to occur at the other positions in the draft.

That said, watch RS pick WR, LB, RB, QB with his first 4 picks...


Nice analysis. Makes me reconsider "get a guard early".

Haven't followed the mocks and rankings much, so when you overlay need areas with who may be around it makes sense.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 3:24:08 PM   
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Thor Nystrom (Rotoworld) has some nice positional rankings explained in detail.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 4:43:40 PM  3 votes
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I asked Ludford if we should trade up or down. He basically said it could work well either way. Then I asked him if he likes a WR there. I'll share if he responds.



"work well either way". Such commitment!

So essentially you've imported this Ludford as a poster here, relaying what he said and what he replies. A crappy poster at that.


He is saying not to stay at #22 and #25. That was the main point. I do disagree with him. I am sharing the Twitter comments to try to keep this forum going. Otherwise it might be dominated by "snarky comments" from certain individuals here who will remain nameless.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 4:49:33 PM   
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Thanks for the tip, Mark. Here is one link on the WR's. and another for the rest. It feels like meat that has to be chewed on and not skimmed through quickly.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/rankings/2020-nfl-draft-wr-rankings

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/nfl-draft-preview/analytics-top-300-rankings-2020-nfl-draft

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 4/5/2020 5:01:55 PM >


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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 5:49:43 PM   
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Thanks for the tip, Mark. Here is one link on the WR's. and another for the rest. It feels like meat that has to be chewed on and not skimmed through quickly.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/rankings/2020-nfl-draft-wr-rankings

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/nfl-draft-preview/analytics-top-300-rankings-2020-nfl-draft


Mims looks like a good one if he is available at 25. Higgins was one of my preferred guys this year, but he's starting to remind me of tread too much.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 5:53:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Thanks for the tip, Mark. Here is one link on the WR's. and another for the rest. It feels like meat that has to be chewed on and not skimmed through quickly.

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/rankings/2020-nfl-draft-wr-rankings

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/nfl-draft-preview/analytics-top-300-rankings-2020-nfl-draft

OT Jackson #18

C/G Ruiz #20

DT Kinlaw #40 ???
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 6:51:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I asked Ludford if we should trade up or down. He basically said it could work well either way. Then I asked him if he likes a WR there. I'll share if he responds.



"work well either way". Such commitment!

So essentially you've imported this Ludford as a poster here, relaying what he said and what he replies. A crappy poster at that.


He is saying not to stay at #22 and #25. That was the main point. I do disagree with him. I am sharing the Twitter comments to try to keep this forum going. Otherwise it might be dominated by "snarky comments" from certain individuals here who will remain nameless.


Thank you.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 7:01:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I asked Ludford if we should trade up or down. He basically said it could work well either way. Then I asked him if he likes a WR there. I'll share if he responds.



"work well either way". Such commitment!

So essentially you've imported this Ludford as a poster here, relaying what he said and what he replies. A crappy poster at that.


Thank you


He is saying not to stay at #22 and #25. That was the main point. I do disagree with him. I am sharing the Twitter comments to try to keep this forum going. Otherwise it might be dominated by "snarky comments" from certain individuals here who will remain nameless.


Thank you.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 7:02:42 PM   
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< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 4/5/2020 7:18:12 PM >
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 7:03:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I asked Ludford if we should trade up or down. He basically said it could work well either way. Then I asked him if he likes a WR there. I'll share if he responds.



"work well either way". Such commitment!

So essentially you've imported this Ludford as a poster here, relaying what he said and what he replies. A crappy poster at that.


He is saying not to stay at #22 and #25. That was the main point. I do disagree with him. I am sharing the Twitter comments to try to keep this forum going. Otherwise it might be dominated by "snarky comments" from certain individuals here who will remain nameless.


Thank you.


I wasn't even thinking of you. I hope you didn't think that. Sorry if you did.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 7:51:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

The more I look at the first-round of the #NFLDraft the more it appears that no OL, CB, and probably DL will be worth drafting at 22 or 25 for the #Vikings Sad.

(Warren Ludford on Twitter)

That's utterly ridiculous.


Agreed. Having looked at a lot of mock drafts and prospect rankings it has become apparent (to me at least) that the Vikings best bet to find instant impact players at their greatest positions of need in this years draft is to draft in this order:

1st Rd - CB and DT
2nd Rd - WR
3rd Rd - OG

The top 3 WR's will be gone before the Vikings pick. There's a drop off to the next level with a ton of WR's bunched together in ability. Of course, if CeeDee Lamb falls to the Vikings you sprint to the (virtual) stage, but it's not happening. Likewise, DT's Derrick Brown and probably Javon Kinlaw will be gone before we pick. If Kinlaw somehow falls, again that's a no-brainer first pick. However, with the DT's there appear to be only 4, maybe 5 that set themselves apart from the second level. At least on paper. If the Vikings wait until the 2nd round to pick a DT they will likely be gone. Regarding CB's there appears to be 1 elite guys in Okudah, a close second in CJ Henderson, 3 extremely talented prospects, then a large group of guys with bigger question marks. Considering the value of the position, if the Vikings wait until the second round they're going to be looking through that group of prospects with the bigger question marks. Finally, regarding Oline, we all know that the Vikings need to continue shoring up their oline, but after the big 4 (that will be gone before we draft) there's a drop off. We need an OT for the future, but not at the expense of an OG for right now. Someone like Josh Jones (OT), who many have mocked to the Vikings might help, but according to his scouting report he's going to need some real work before he's starter material, which means he won't be replacing Reiff right away if at all. Additionally, 1st round OT's have often struggled mightily their first year in the league. Meanwhile, the OG rankings are all over the place, meaning there's no consensus stud this year. Spielman is as likely to strike gold in the 3rd round as he is in the first. Something that is less likely to occur at the other positions in the draft.

That said, watch RS pick WR, LB, RB, QB with his first 4 picks...

In the linked video posted earlier, Florio advocated for OL with both 1st round picks. He makes the argument that Cousins is much better with protection, which of course is true. I'm so tired of Elflein getting pushed around that I'd be extremely disappointed if we don't go OL with at least one of our 1st round picks. Hopefully they're getting a good read on whether Bradbury is going to make significant improvement because if he doesn't that interior OL needs a major infusion of talent.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 7:56:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I asked Ludford if we should trade up or down. He basically said it could work well either way. Then I asked him if he likes a WR there. I'll share if he responds.



"work well either way". Such commitment!

So essentially you've imported this Ludford as a poster here, relaying what he said and what he replies. A crappy poster at that.


He is saying not to stay at #22 and #25. That was the main point. I do disagree with him. I am sharing the Twitter comments to try to keep this forum going. Otherwise it might be dominated by "snarky comments" from certain individuals here who will remain nameless.


Thank you.


I wasn't even thinking of you. I hope you didn't think that. Sorry if you did.


Wow man. Just wow. Are you saying there is a new King of Snark?
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 8:05:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I asked Ludford if we should trade up or down. He basically said it could work well either way. Then I asked him if he likes a WR there. I'll share if he responds.



"work well either way". Such commitment!

So essentially you've imported this Ludford as a poster here, relaying what he said and what he replies. A crappy poster at that.


He is saying not to stay at #22 and #25. That was the main point. I do disagree with him. I am sharing the Twitter comments to try to keep this forum going. Otherwise it might be dominated by "snarky comments" from certain individuals here who will remain nameless.


Thank you.


I wasn't even thinking of you. I hope you didn't think that. Sorry if you did.


Wow man. Just wow. Are you saying there is a new King of Snark?


Now I've disappointed you.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/5/2020 10:26:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

I asked Ludford if we should trade up or down. He basically said it could work well either way. Then I asked him if he likes a WR there. I'll share if he responds.



"work well either way". Such commitment!

So essentially you've imported this Ludford as a poster here, relaying what he said and what he replies. A crappy poster at that.


He is saying not to stay at #22 and #25. That was the main point. I do disagree with him. I am sharing the Twitter comments to try to keep this forum going. Otherwise it might be dominated by "snarky comments" from certain individuals here who will remain nameless.


Thank you.


I wasn't even thinking of you. I hope you didn't think that. Sorry if you did.


Wow man. Just wow. Are you saying there is a new King of Snark?

You are IMO the undisputed King of Snark Bigo. Sometimes you take it too far into nasty, but usually just snarky. You make me laugh as much as anybody around here.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/6/2020 6:44:07 AM  1 votes
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Have avoided twitter intentionally only to see twitter being incessantly imported here, so IP works great. Should they ever post, I'll still be able to read what old school posters like Barb Freeze, Mike Slipy, and others have to say.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 4/6/2020 6:49:27 AM >
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/6/2020 6:51:37 AM   
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Your post of the year!
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/6/2020 9:24:02 AM   
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Programming alert. Corey Chavous on KFAN at 9:35.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/6/2020 9:33:29 AM   
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nm


Your post of the year!

thanks, spraying myself with lysol has really worked out.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/6/2020 10:17:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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nm


Your post of the year!

thanks, spraying myself with lysol has really worked out.



Hoarder.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/6/2020 10:40:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

nm


Your post of the year!

thanks, spraying myself with lysol has really worked out.



Hoarder.

Yes, but not pandemic related.

I've amassed a lot of smells.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/6/2020 10:52:00 AM   
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Have avoided twitter intentionally only to see twitter being incessantly imported here, so IP works great. Should they ever post, I'll still be able to read what old school posters like Barb Freeze, Mike Slipy, and others have to say.


So you do not want people to ever post interesting Vikings stuff if they find it on Twitter because you are here waiting for posters that have not posted in years to post again? I enjoy the info I get here at TalkVikes from posters that share Vikings-related Twitter. You don't. Just use your IP feature as you keep posting about and stop trying to kill other people's enjoyment.
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