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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:15:03 PM  1 votes
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It's no secret the #Vikings will look for wide receivers in the draft. One source says they really want a very fast guy to stretch the defense.



If this is true, Mims, Reagor, Aiyuk, and Hamler are the ones to take the top off the defense. Of course, there might be a lower-rated guy who everyone is wrong about that can fly, but these would seem to be the guys who have a chance to make a difference. Spielman has said something like there are guys who are going to go in the fourth or fifth that will contribute right away, but that hardly seems like something you can count on.

Mims combine time was the fastest of that group, but I have heard from the people who watch a lot of football in that conference and they all say Reagor plays the fastest. I personally like Mims the best, because he has the size, speed and production. He's also very physical.


I was looking at the 3 cone drill times. I was expecting Reagor to do better than Mims, but it was not the case. There are some who will argue that the 3 cone drill time is more valuable information than the 40 time because players don't run 40 yards in a straight line. Just saying.

I guess where I come down is if I was evaluating I would want all of the information, but I would put more credence on how fast they are on film. That would actually add more value to Reagor over Mims. Does that make sense? But again, I would want to know if the player shows up for the big games, how they do vs top competition, and that last one means I would put some extra weight on how they do at the Senior Bowl and Senior Bowl practices. I would put more weight on that then the combine, which is kind of like underwear Olympics.

The senior bowl was where Mims just dominated. In the 1 on 1s he got separation IIRC 94.5% of the time.


Right. So he stepped up big in the Senior Bowl and the combine. It might show us that he is up to the bigger challenge of playing with the Big Boys. I can't say I watched the film so much. I know Reagor had a lousy QB, but I could also look at the previous years tape.

It looks like that those who are doing evaluations after watching film are putting Mims above Reagor. I could quickly check because I have a different tab on my computer screen for each "big board" by different writers. The most recent one I saved was by Vikings Corner. (Daniel House) He has Mims at #14 and Reagor at #40. That's a pretty wide disparity. I mean he took the time to watch the film. So I'm going to say that Mims is the better prospect. It is very possible, though, that Reagor turns out to be the better Pro, but right now I would have to put Mims ahead.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:23:21 PM   
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The Vikings 2020 draft Version 2.0

On draft day we’ll know what to do
with our pick at 22........................................................ I think we all want to keep this pick to draft somebody who falls to us
after that don’t even frown
when we trade that next pick down..................................Most of us expect the Vikings to trade down with pick 25
for we must never be believers
in drafting early wide receivers........................................Most of us don't want us to draft a WR in the first and maybe not in the 2nd. I'm an exception for Mims or Reagor.
We all know Zim will be a mourner
if we don’t take a first round corner..................................Self explanatory. We need a corner and Zim loves getting them early.
and it will be such a debacle
if we don’t get an early tackle.........................................Almost all of us want the Vikings to draft a tackle in the first or second round.
or course it shouldn’t be too hard
for us to get a 3rd round guard.......................................Some may want us to go for guard earlier, but I think most of us want to go for one in the third
We want Rick to take a pledge
To use our 5th pick on an Edge.......................................Some want earlier than pick 105 but I think this is the most likely spot we want.
No specialists shall we see
all the way to 2-5-3......................................................253 is our last pick. Nobody wants us to draft a kicker, punter or long snapper.
for there’s no way to ruin quicker
Than wasting draft picks on a kicker................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
We won’t listen to any Troll
We’ll just win the Super Bowl........................................This line was all mine. I wanted to end optimistically.

It’s a work in progress. Any ideas to make it better?

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:34:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I quickly just checked the PFF big board and it was just reversed. Reagor was rated way ahead of Mims. I know they look at the film and they are basing it on how the TCU QB was inaccurate, but Reagor might have still run a really good route. They would grade him on that route anyway.

I honestly don't know what to think, now. Evaluations are subjective. It would help to interview them and get a sense from being with them what kind of person they are. It would be good to discuss it with the coaches whom they played for. The Vikings get that kind of information. They literally spend millions of dollars for that inside information that we are not privy to.

In the end I will be excited for whomever they select and try to find reasons for why they selected them. Then I will root for them, especially if I see reasons to have high expectations for them based on what I see with my own eyes while they where the Purple uniforms.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:50:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't even remember if I linked this before, but it has the view point that Mims could be a great Viking.

https://climbingthepocket.com/2020/04/22/why-denzel-mims-is-a-great-fit-for-the-minnesota-vikings/

But I've been saying that the Vikings can get a good receiver later. I'm glad I'm not making the decision tomorrow. I really don't know what we should do.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:54:07 PM   
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🏈 Justin Jefferson, LSU
🏈 Michael Pittman Jr, USC
🏈 Tyler Johnson, Minnesota

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:55:14 PM   
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1. Tee Higgins, Clemson - 17
1. Jerry Jeudy, Alabama - 17

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:55:56 PM   
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1. Joe Burrow - 57.0%
3. Tua Tagovailoa - 52.2%
16. Justin Herbert - 44.0%
18. Jordan Love - 43.6%

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 8:57:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		PFF's Final NFL Draft CB Rankings:

1. Jeffrey Okudah, Ohio State
2. Kristian Fulton, LSU
3. C.J. Henderson, Florida
4. Jaylon Johnson, Utah
5. A.J. Terrell, Clemson

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 9:22:37 PM   
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 9:23:53 PM   
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PFF's Final NFL Draft CB Rankings:

1. Jeffrey Okudah, Ohio State
2. Kristian Fulton, LSU
3. C.J. Henderson, Florida
4. Jaylon Johnson, Utah
5. A.J. Terrell, Clemson

I've been torn on the CBs, but not as bad as the WR. I'm going with Fulton being the best likely to make it to us.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 9:25:12 PM   
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There's going to be some surprises tomorrow.

I think the Vikings will take one WR and one CB we've been talking about, but which ones I'm clueless. I'd love it if we can get Winfield in the second somehow. I hear he can play slot CB for us and mix in at safety.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 10:07:46 PM   
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There's going to be some surprises tomorrow.

Here is my prediction. The Vikings hammer out and extension with Harris and move him with #22 to Cleveland for #8 if Tristan Wirfs is on the board. They will then trade back from #25. If Wirfs is gone, they trade Harris to Cleveland for a #3 that they will use to trade for Trent Williams and stand pat with 22 and 25.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 10:09:06 PM   
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Only three WRs in the NFL Draft averaged 12.0+ yards/target against single coverage last season:

🏈 Justin Jefferson, LSU
🏈 Michael Pittman Jr, USC
🏈 Tyler Johnson, Minnesota


If the Vikings wait until the 2nd round to pick a WR, it’s quite possible they could end up with Pittman, and then pick up Johnson in the 4th. I would approve.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 10:27:57 PM   
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Only three WRs in the NFL Draft averaged 12.0+ yards/target against single coverage last season:

🏈 Justin Jefferson, LSU
🏈 Michael Pittman Jr, USC
🏈 Tyler Johnson, Minnesota


If the Vikings wait until the 2nd round to pick a WR, it’s quite possible they could end up with Pittman, and then pick up Johnson in the 4th. I would approve.

We could do a lot worse than Pittman and Johnson.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 10:31:23 PM   
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 10:56:12 PM   
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I think the Vikings will have to move up from 58 to get a receiver that can contribute meaningfully next year, including Pittman. I think there will be a run from later first to middle second that will leave developmental/limited guys or surprises like Diggs.

I think you're right.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/22/2020 11:08:31 PM   
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I think the Vikings will have to move up from 58 to get a receiver that can contribute meaningfully next year, including Pittman. I think there will be a run from later first to middle second that will leave developmental/limited guys or surprises like Diggs.

I think we want speed. We have enough possession/good route running guys.
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 12:47:33 AM   
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I think the Vikings will have to move up from 58 to get a receiver that can contribute meaningfully next year, including Pittman. I think there will be a run from later first to middle second that will leave developmental/limited guys or surprises like Diggs.

I think we want speed. We have enough possession/good route running guys.

That's today's rumor, and I agree. I like Pittman if nothing else pans out, but I'm leaning toward Mims/Reagor/Aiyuk and a CB. Or Ruiz. Or Josh Jones. Or two CBs.

We need a lot......
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 2:52:15 AM   
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I think the Vikings will have to move up from 58 to get a receiver that can contribute meaningfully next year, including Pittman. I think there will be a run from later first to middle second that will leave developmental/limited guys or surprises like Diggs.

I think we want speed. We have enough possession/good route running guys.

That's today's rumor, and I agree. I like Pittman if nothing else pans out, but I'm leaning toward Mims/Reagor/Aiyuk and a CB. Or Ruiz. Or Josh Jones. Or two CBs.

We need a lot......

Not two CBs. Getting a first WR or a first guard or a first DT or DE or Safety all seem more important than getting a second CB. One CB to go along with Hughes and Hill would be solid. I hear that Winfield would be a good Slot Corner as well as a rotational Safety. I don't know how legit that is, but would kill two birds with one stone.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 7:04:02 AM   
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It's no secret the #Vikings will look for wide receivers in the draft. One source says they really want a very fast guy to stretch the defense.



If this is true, Mims, Reagor, Aiyuk, and Hamler are the ones to take the top off the defense. Of course, there might be a lower-rated guy who everyone is wrong about that can fly, but these would seem to be the guys who have a chance to make a difference. Spielman has said something like there are guys who are going to go in the fourth or fifth that will contribute right away, but that hardly seems like something you can count on.

Mims combine time was the fastest of that group, but I have heard from the people who watch a lot of football in that conference and they all say Reagor plays the fastest. I personally like Mims the best, because he has the size, speed and production. He's also very physical.

Reager had a poor time at the combine 4.47 I think but ran a 4.32 at his pro day 10 lbs lighter. maybe he tried to come in heavier at the combine weigh in.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 7:13:10 AM   
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Status: online 		Mekhi Becton is a player that a month ago no one would’ve thought had a chance of falling to the Vikings at pick No. 22. With the recent news that he had a flagged drug test at this year’s NFL Scouting Combine, him falling now becomes an actual possibility, albeit a very small one.

Becton is an impressive specimen at 6-foot-7 and 364 pounds. The best part about this guy is what a violent blocker he is. He isn’t happy just blocking his man, he loves leaving them on their back looking up at the sky. Becton just flattens people


Robert Hunt from Louisiana. Rd 3

Hunt is an intimidating looking player at 6-foot-5 and 336 pounds with a very wide upper body. He plays very mean and he doesn’t just like to block the man over him, he likes to destroy them.

Hunt’s biggest knock is his overall athletic ability. But he is a guy the Vikings could draft this year and he’d have a very good chance at winning one of the starting guard jobs for next season.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 7:29:46 AM   
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It's no secret the #Vikings will look for wide receivers in the draft. One source says they really want a very fast guy to stretch the defense.



If this is true, Mims, Reagor, Aiyuk, and Hamler are the ones to take the top off the defense. Of course, there might be a lower-rated guy who everyone is wrong about that can fly, but these would seem to be the guys who have a chance to make a difference. Spielman has said something like there are guys who are going to go in the fourth or fifth that will contribute right away, but that hardly seems like something you can count on.

Mims combine time was the fastest of that group, but I have heard from the people who watch a lot of football in that conference and they all say Reagor plays the fastest. I personally like Mims the best, because he has the size, speed and production. He's also very physical.

Reager had a poor time at the combine 4.47 I think but ran a 4.32 at his pro day 10 lbs lighter. maybe he tried to come in heavier at the combine weigh in.


Actually he ran a 4.28 which was faster than Ruggs at the combine. I wonder what his ideal playing weight would be.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2886121-video-jalen-reagor-runs-unofficial-422-second-40-at-virtual-nfl-draft-pro-day

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 7:50:17 AM   
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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 8:07:56 AM   
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It's no secret the #Vikings will look for wide receivers in the draft. One source says they really want a very fast guy to stretch the defense.



If this is true, Mims, Reagor, Aiyuk, and Hamler are the ones to take the top off the defense. Of course, there might be a lower-rated guy who everyone is wrong about that can fly, but these would seem to be the guys who have a chance to make a difference. Spielman has said something like there are guys who are going to go in the fourth or fifth that will contribute right away, but that hardly seems like something you can count on.

Mims combine time was the fastest of that group, but I have heard from the people who watch a lot of football in that conference and they all say Reagor plays the fastest. I personally like Mims the best, because he has the size, speed and production. He's also very physical.

Reager had a poor time at the combine 4.47 I think but ran a 4.32 at his pro day 10 lbs lighter. maybe he tried to come in heavier at the combine weigh in.

Pro day 40 times are virtually meaningless. They are always faster than combine times. Why? I saw a video of his "Pro Day" attended by almost nobody. He was timed twice. Once at 4.28 and the other at 4.22.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 8:10:23 AM   
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It's no secret the #Vikings will look for wide receivers in the draft. One source says they really want a very fast guy to stretch the defense.



If this is true, Mims, Reagor, Aiyuk, and Hamler are the ones to take the top off the defense. Of course, there might be a lower-rated guy who everyone is wrong about that can fly, but these would seem to be the guys who have a chance to make a difference. Spielman has said something like there are guys who are going to go in the fourth or fifth that will contribute right away, but that hardly seems like something you can count on.

Mims combine time was the fastest of that group, but I have heard from the people who watch a lot of football in that conference and they all say Reagor plays the fastest. I personally like Mims the best, because he has the size, speed and production. He's also very physical.

Reager had a poor time at the combine 4.47 I think but ran a 4.32 at his pro day 10 lbs lighter. maybe he tried to come in heavier at the combine weigh in.


Actually he ran a 4.28 which was faster than Ruggs at the combine. I wonder what his ideal playing weight would be.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2886121-video-jalen-reagor-runs-unofficial-422-second-40-at-virtual-nfl-draft-pro-day

Ruggs IIRC ran a 4.27 at the combine. Reagor supposedly ran a 4.22. Never take pro day times seriously.

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