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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:16:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

1st Rounders since 2009
Harvin
Ponder
Kalil
Harrison
Floyd
Rhodes
Patterson
Barr
Teddy
Waynes
Treadwell
Hughes
Bradbury

4 of 13 still on the team, and that's with recently selected Hughes and Bradbury which is expected. Mostly only a career ending injury or being a mammoth bust would exclude them.

Harvin got us draft picks.
Ponder was a giant reach where he was picked. and busted out
Kalil was very good his rookie year then injuries and loss of confidence ruined him
Harrison is gold
Floyd would have been very good if not for a botched surgery
Rhodes was good for years then fell off a cliff
Patterson was very gifted athletically but just couldn't figure out how to run a route right. Even Bill Belichick couldn't get more out of him.
Barr is better than people here give him credit for.
Teddy would be our QB now if not for the knee injury
Waynes would probably still be here if not for salary cap issues
Treadwell was just a bad pick, but very few WRs that draft turned out good...
Hughes is about to get tested.
Bradbury is about to get tested more.

And if you look at the rest of the draft we haven't done all that bad.

A different take-
Harvin ultimately a risk I would’ve taken as well - Uber talented/ Elevated us.
Ponder was a need/ reach brutal selection. A lot of people usually get canned over picks like that.
Kalil was good until he received coaching that didn’t expect more out of him. 🙄 Dork, reaffirmed my dislike for USC players.
Rhodes ultimately a good pick. Who could foresee this cliff he dropped off relatively young.
Patterson although I loved aspects of his game was another waste of heavy capital/ picks for a gadget player.
Barr at #9 is a good pick, needs more consistency, not used properly in scheme IMO
Teddy (I’m biased) trading back up for him was a very good move. Who could foresee that injury ughhh. Love the kid
Waynes was ok, underachieved IMO, but not a bad pick at #11. Had the tools, not the killer instinct.
Treadwell bad, real bad, never showed anything.
Hughes got raves during his first training camp. Didn’t need CB in the 1st round, bad pick We’ll see/injury
Bradbury looked liked Elflein as a center early, came on a little (Trending bust) gotta get more stout. Why you don’t draft C in 1st.

All said we’ve been praised league wide for having one of the most talented rosters in the NFL the last 5-6 years inspite of many 1st round hickups.

This is THE MOST IMPORTANT DRAFT in quite a few years for us.

We can either hit a home run where we need it- OL, CB, WR, DL and be right back up there, or not, and fall back into the Mike Tice/ Leslie Frazier years....

SKOL Vikes this week!

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:19:36 AM

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I liked the weekend day drafts better, although some were on a nice spring day.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:26:44 AM

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I liked the weekend day drafts better, although some were on a nice spring day.

Probably goes without saying but I can’t stand having just one round tonight.... I understood perhaps breaking it into two days, but three?

Money

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:27:30 AM

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I think it's a pivotal draft. Enough draft capital to keep going pretty strong if he hit on them. If there are mixed results, I think we slowly slide into the 8-8 (now 9-8 or 8-9) realm. Teams can stay mediocre like that forever unless they are lucky. Probably best to trade away the roster and salaries for draft picks, young players, and embrace the suck so as to get high draft picks. IOW, a rebuild. Hopefully we are lot yet there because we still have some talent out on the roster.

Pivotal three days.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:29:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I liked the weekend day drafts better, although some were on a nice spring day.

Probably goes without saying but I can’t stand having just one round tonight.... I understood perhaps breaking it into two days, but three?

Money

I know. Pure money grab.

I like all the pre-draft stuff but wonder how it would be like the old school days where you picked up the paper and read who they picked. Or when players were drafted and didn't even know!

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:35:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

1st Rounders since 2009
Harvin
Ponder
Kalil
Harrison
Floyd
Rhodes
Patterson
Barr
Teddy
Waynes
Treadwell
Hughes
Bradbury

4 of 13 still on the team, and that's with recently selected Hughes and Bradbury which is expected. Mostly only a career ending injury or being a mammoth bust would exclude them.

Harvin got us draft picks.
Ponder was a giant reach where he was picked. and busted out
Kalil was very good his rookie year then injuries and loss of confidence ruined him
Harrison is gold
Floyd would have been very good if not for a botched surgery
Rhodes was good for years then fell off a cliff
Patterson was very gifted athletically but just couldn't figure out how to run a route right. Even Bill Belichick couldn't get more out of him.
Barr is better than people here give him credit for.
Teddy would be our QB now if not for the knee injury
Waynes would probably still be here if not for salary cap issues
Treadwell was just a bad pick, but very few WRs that draft turned out good...
Hughes is about to get tested.
Bradbury is about to get tested more.

And if you look at the rest of the draft we haven't done all that bad.

A different take-
Harvin ultimately a risk I would’ve taken as well - Uber talented/ Elevated us.
Ponder was a need/ reach brutal selection. A lot of people usually get canned over picks like that.
Kalil was good until he received coaching that didn’t expect more out of him. 🙄 Dork, reaffirmed my dislike for USC players.
Rhodes ultimately a good pick. Who could foresee this cliff he dropped off relatively young.
Patterson although I loved aspects of his game was another waste of heavy capital/ picks for a gadget player.
Barr at #9 is a good pick, needs more consistency, not used properly in scheme IMO
Teddy (I’m biased) trading back up for him was a very good move. Who could foresee that injury ughhh. Love the kid
Waynes was ok, underachieved IMO, but not a bad pick at #11. Had the tools, not the killer instinct.
Treadwell bad, real bad, never showed anything.
Hughes got raves during his first training camp. Didn’t need CB in the 1st round, bad pick We’ll see/injury
Bradbury looked liked Elflein as a center early, came on a little (Trending bust) gotta get more stout. Why you don’t draft C in 1st.

All said we’ve been praised league wide for having one of the most talented rosters in the NFL the last 5-6 years inspite of many 1st round hickups.

This is THE MOST IMPORTANT DRAFT in quite a few years for us.

We can either hit a home run where we need it- OL, CB, WR, DL and be right back up there, or not, and fall back into the Mike Tice/ Leslie Frazier years....

SKOL Vikes this week!

Another opinion:
Harvin -- Heart was never in the game. Only did it for the money.
Ponder -- Brutal pick
Kalil -- A classic gravy-train pick. Everybody thought he was gonna be his brother. Think Tom Arnold, one of the biggest gravy-trainers of all time
Rhodes -- was a star for a few years and then the game took its toll
Patterson -- gifted athlete who always gave 100%. One of the great return guys the Vikings have ever had. Not a great receiver, but had heart
Barr -- a guy the Vikings have always played out of position
Teddy -- S-A-W-F-T. Dude broke his leg walking on the practice field
Waynes -- DOUBLE S-A-W-F-T One of the worst picks the Vikings have made given their needs at the time. Didn't like him the minute they drafted him
Hughes -- Stud
Bradbury -- massive upgrade over Elflein, who was disappointing from day one. Showed some promise as a rookie.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:40:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: lyle chabot

Due to how complex the draft is going to be this year, I believe a lot of trades have already been struck by teams. Thoughts?

It could be that more teams have come to pre-draft arrangements than usual.

Far as I know cell phones and landlines still work so I don't think striking trades to be a problem.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:45:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

1st Rounders since 2009
Harvin
Ponder
Kalil
Harrison
Floyd
Rhodes
Patterson
Barr
Teddy
Waynes
Treadwell
Hughes
Bradbury

4 of 13 still on the team, and that's with recently selected Hughes and Bradbury which is expected. Mostly only a career ending injury or being a mammoth bust would exclude them.

Harvin got us draft picks.
Ponder was a giant reach where he was picked. and busted out
Kalil was very good his rookie year then injuries and loss of confidence ruined him
Harrison is gold
Floyd would have been very good if not for a botched surgery
Rhodes was good for years then fell off a cliff
Patterson was very gifted athletically but just couldn't figure out how to run a route right. Even Bill Belichick couldn't get more out of him.
Barr is better than people here give him credit for.
Teddy would be our QB now if not for the knee injury
Waynes would probably still be here if not for salary cap issues
Treadwell was just a bad pick, but very few WRs that draft turned out good...
Hughes is about to get tested.
Bradbury is about to get tested more.

And if you look at the rest of the draft we haven't done all that bad.

A different take-
Harvin ultimately a risk I would’ve taken as well - Uber talented/ Elevated us.
Ponder was a need/ reach brutal selection. A lot of people usually get canned over picks like that.
Kalil was good until he received coaching that didn’t expect more out of him. 🙄 Dork, reaffirmed my dislike for USC players.
Rhodes ultimately a good pick. Who could foresee this cliff he dropped off relatively young.
Patterson although I loved aspects of his game was another waste of heavy capital/ picks for a gadget player.
Barr at #9 is a good pick, needs more consistency, not used properly in scheme IMO
Teddy (I’m biased) trading back up for him was a very good move. Who could foresee that injury ughhh. Love the kid
Waynes was ok, underachieved IMO, but not a bad pick at #11. Had the tools, not the killer instinct.
Treadwell bad, real bad, never showed anything.
Hughes got raves during his first training camp. Didn’t need CB in the 1st round, bad pick We’ll see/injury
Bradbury looked liked Elflein as a center early, came on a little (Trending bust) gotta get more stout. Why you don’t draft C in 1st.

All said we’ve been praised league wide for having one of the most talented rosters in the NFL the last 5-6 years inspite of many 1st round hickups.

This is THE MOST IMPORTANT DRAFT in quite a few years for us.

We can either hit a home run where we need it- OL, CB, WR, DL and be right back up there, or not, and fall back into the Mike Tice/ Leslie Frazier years....

SKOL Vikes this week!

Another opinion:
Harvin -- Heart was never in the game. Only did it for the money.
Ponder -- Brutal pick
Kalil -- A classic gravy-train pick. Everybody thought he was gonna be his brother. Think Tom Arnold, one of the biggest gravy-trainers of all time
Rhodes -- was a star for a few years and then the game took its toll
Patterson -- gifted athlete who always gave 100%. One of the great return guys the Vikings have ever had. Not a great receiver, but had heart
Barr -- a guy the Vikings have always played out of position
Teddy -- S-A-W-F-T. Dude broke his leg walking on the practice field
Waynes -- DOUBLE S-A-W-F-T One of the worst picks the Vikings have made given their needs at the time. Didn't like him the minute they drafted him
Hughes -- Stud
Bradbury -- massive upgrade over Elflein, who was disappointing from day one. Showed some promise as a rookie.

I don't know Brad.

Elflain actually out performed Bradbury when comparing rookie seasons.

Waynes certainly was underwhelming but he was durable and good in run support. Not nearly as good of a coverage cb considering he was the 11th overall pick though.

Hughes i think will rebound this year. but far from a stud.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:52:20 AM

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Paul Allen seems to strongly believe the Vikings will trade up with their first pick.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:53:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: lyle chabot

Due to how complex the draft is going to be this year, I believe a lot of trades have already been struck by teams. Thoughts?

It could be that more teams have come to pre-draft arrangements than usual.

Far as I know cell phones and landlines still work so I don't think striking trades to be a problem.

Fair enough

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:56:26 AM

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Jonny Athletic's Take:

OT:
Trade up Candidates: Becton, Wirfs, and Thomas (top 15)
Hold Firm: Jackson, Jones, and Ezra Cleveland (dark horse that is connected to vikes)

CB:
Trade up: OSU Okudah to 3-5 so unrealistic, CJ Henderson 11-14
Hold Firm: Fulton, Gladney, and less likely Diggs (Stefon's Brother)

WR:
Trade up: Lamb, Jeudy, Ruggs, Jefferson
Hold Firm: Mims, Aiyuk (maybe even a trade down), Maybe Jefferson slides down

DE:
Trade up: Chaisson
Hold Firm: Epenesa

DT:
Unlikely with Pierce and Zettel signing unless Kinlaw falls

QB:
Unlikely unless Hurts and Fromm fall.

Spielman and Zimmer need a 2015 draft when they grabbed Waynes, Kendricks, Hunter, and Diggs.

Winfield JR being drafted could be explored (& trading Harris).

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:57:59 AM

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Chad Graff- Athletic 6.0 Mock

22. Austin Jackson OT USC
25. Yetur Gross-Matos Edge. PSU

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 10:59:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

1st Rounders since 2009
Harvin
Ponder
Kalil
Harrison
Floyd
Rhodes
Patterson
Barr
Teddy
Waynes
Treadwell
Hughes
Bradbury

4 of 13 still on the team, and that's with recently selected Hughes and Bradbury which is expected. Mostly only a career ending injury or being a mammoth bust would exclude them.

Harvin got us draft picks.
Ponder was a giant reach where he was picked. and busted out
Kalil was very good his rookie year then injuries and loss of confidence ruined him
Harrison is gold
Floyd would have been very good if not for a botched surgery
Rhodes was good for years then fell off a cliff
Patterson was very gifted athletically but just couldn't figure out how to run a route right. Even Bill Belichick couldn't get more out of him.
Barr is better than people here give him credit for.
Teddy would be our QB now if not for the knee injury
Waynes would probably still be here if not for salary cap issues
Treadwell was just a bad pick, but very few WRs that draft turned out good...
Hughes is about to get tested.
Bradbury is about to get tested more.

And if you look at the rest of the draft we haven't done all that bad.

A different take-
Harvin ultimately a risk I would’ve taken as well - Uber talented/ Elevated us.
Ponder was a need/ reach brutal selection. A lot of people usually get canned over picks like that.
Kalil was good until he received coaching that didn’t expect more out of him. 🙄 Dork, reaffirmed my dislike for USC players.
Rhodes ultimately a good pick. Who could foresee this cliff he dropped off relatively young.
Patterson although I loved aspects of his game was another waste of heavy capital/ picks for a gadget player.
Barr at #9 is a good pick, needs more consistency, not used properly in scheme IMO
Teddy (I’m biased) trading back up for him was a very good move. Who could foresee that injury ughhh. Love the kid
Waynes was ok, underachieved IMO, but not a bad pick at #11. Had the tools, not the killer instinct.
Treadwell bad, real bad, never showed anything.
Hughes got raves during his first training camp. Didn’t need CB in the 1st round, bad pick We’ll see/injury
Bradbury looked liked Elflein as a center early, came on a little (Trending bust) gotta get more stout. Why you don’t draft C in 1st.

All said we’ve been praised league wide for having one of the most talented rosters in the NFL the last 5-6 years inspite of many 1st round hickups.

This is THE MOST IMPORTANT DRAFT in quite a few years for us.

We can either hit a home run where we need it- OL, CB, WR, DL and be right back up there, or not, and fall back into the Mike Tice/ Leslie Frazier years....

SKOL Vikes this week!

Another opinion:
Harvin -- Heart was never in the game. Only did it for the money.
Ponder -- Brutal pick
Kalil -- A classic gravy-train pick. Everybody thought he was gonna be his brother. Think Tom Arnold, one of the biggest gravy-trainers of all time
Rhodes -- was a star for a few years and then the game took its toll
Patterson -- gifted athlete who always gave 100%. One of the great return guys the Vikings have ever had. Not a great receiver, but had heart
Barr -- a guy the Vikings have always played out of position
Teddy -- S-A-W-F-T. Dude broke his leg walking on the practice field
Waynes -- DOUBLE S-A-W-F-T One of the worst picks the Vikings have made given their needs at the time. Didn't like him the minute they drafted him
Hughes -- Stud
Bradbury -- massive upgrade over Elflein, who was disappointing from day one. Showed some promise as a rookie.

I don't know Brad.

Elflain actually out performed Bradbury when comparing rookie seasons.

Waynes certainly was underwhelming but he was durable and good in run support. Not nearly as good of a coverage cb considering he was the 11th overall pick though.

Hughes i think will rebound this year. but far from a stud.

Yeah I’m rooting hard for both Bradbury and Hughes, but all I can go on is there play as of yet.

Before knee surgery they were absolutely thrilled with Hughes, but honestly he was picked on last year, and was a liability.

Hopefully it’s the classic two year recovery from knee surgery scenario.

Bradbury got whooped up early, but trended a little better late. Good vs the Saints, not so much against the 9ers like everyone else.

Yeah you hit Waynes on the button. I thought he'd be better for the 11th pick for sure.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:02:40 AM

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Paul Allen seems to strongly believe the Vikings will trade up with their first pick.

There you go again Bruce!

If they acquire Trent Williams earlier perhaps they don’t want to pay two 1st round picks?

Just parroting Paul Allen 😉

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:08:12 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

1st Rounders since 2009
Harvin
Ponder
Kalil
Harrison
Floyd
Rhodes
Patterson
Barr
Teddy
Waynes
Treadwell
Hughes
Bradbury

4 of 13 still on the team, and that's with recently selected Hughes and Bradbury which is expected. Mostly only a career ending injury or being a mammoth bust would exclude them.

Harvin got us draft picks.
Ponder was a giant reach where he was picked. and busted out
Kalil was very good his rookie year then injuries and loss of confidence ruined him
Harrison is gold
Floyd would have been very good if not for a botched surgery
Rhodes was good for years then fell off a cliff
Patterson was very gifted athletically but just couldn't figure out how to run a route right. Even Bill Belichick couldn't get more out of him.
Barr is better than people here give him credit for.
Teddy would be our QB now if not for the knee injury
Waynes would probably still be here if not for salary cap issues
Treadwell was just a bad pick, but very few WRs that draft turned out good...
Hughes is about to get tested.
Bradbury is about to get tested more.

And if you look at the rest of the draft we haven't done all that bad.

A different take-
Harvin ultimately a risk I would’ve taken as well - Uber talented/ Elevated us.
Ponder was a need/ reach brutal selection. A lot of people usually get canned over picks like that.
Kalil was good until he received coaching that didn’t expect more out of him. 🙄 Dork, reaffirmed my dislike for USC players.
Rhodes ultimately a good pick. Who could foresee this cliff he dropped off relatively young.
Patterson although I loved aspects of his game was another waste of heavy capital/ picks for a gadget player.
Barr at #9 is a good pick, needs more consistency, not used properly in scheme IMO
Teddy (I’m biased) trading back up for him was a very good move. Who could foresee that injury ughhh. Love the kid
Waynes was ok, underachieved IMO, but not a bad pick at #11. Had the tools, not the killer instinct.
Treadwell bad, real bad, never showed anything.
Hughes got raves during his first training camp. Didn’t need CB in the 1st round, bad pick We’ll see/injury
Bradbury looked liked Elflein as a center early, came on a little (Trending bust) gotta get more stout. Why you don’t draft C in 1st.

All said we’ve been praised league wide for having one of the most talented rosters in the NFL the last 5-6 years inspite of many 1st round hickups.

This is THE MOST IMPORTANT DRAFT in quite a few years for us.

We can either hit a home run where we need it- OL, CB, WR, DL and be right back up there, or not, and fall back into the Mike Tice/ Leslie Frazier years....

SKOL Vikes this week!

Another opinion:
Harvin -- Heart was never in the game. Only did it for the money.
Ponder -- Brutal pick
Kalil -- A classic gravy-train pick. Everybody thought he was gonna be his brother. Think Tom Arnold, one of the biggest gravy-trainers of all time
Rhodes -- was a star for a few years and then the game took its toll
Patterson -- gifted athlete who always gave 100%. One of the great return guys the Vikings have ever had. Not a great receiver, but had heart
Barr -- a guy the Vikings have always played out of position
Teddy -- S-A-W-F-T. Dude broke his leg walking on the practice field
Waynes -- DOUBLE S-A-W-F-T One of the worst picks the Vikings have made given their needs at the time. Didn't like him the minute they drafted him
Hughes -- Stud
Bradbury -- massive upgrade over Elflein, who was disappointing from day one. Showed some promise as a rookie.

Tom Arnold a very talented guy. He was absolutely excellent in True Lies and pretty good in Austin Powers the Spy who Shagged me.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:12:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Chad Graff- Athletic 6.0 Mock

22. Austin Jackson OT USC
25. Yetur Gross-Matos Edge. PSU

ICKY ICKY ICKY

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:12:40 AM

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Chad & Arif Mock 7.0 Best Case Scenario
22.
Chad: Mekhi Becton OT Louisville
Arif: Jerry Jeudy, WR Alabama (If all OTs get drafted, WRs fall)

25.
Chad: Kristian Fulton CB LSU
Arif: CJ Henderson, CB Florida (Arif likes Chads pick but wants to go a different direction)

58:
Chad: Jalen Reagor, WR, TCU (Vikes wait on WR)
Arif: Ezra Cleveland, OT, Boise (Arif assumes Jackson, Ruiz, Wilson, Jones all gone already by this pick)

89:
Chad: Nevill Gallimore, DT, Oklahoma
Arif: Bryce Hall, CB, Virginia

105:
Chad: Damon Arnette, CB OSU
Arif: Justin Madubuike, DT, T A & M

Day 3:
Chad: Another fast WR: MN Johnson, Mich Peoples-Jones, Wisc Cephus; OG: Oregons Shane Lemieux, Fresno St Netane Muti, Ball St Danny Pinter
Arif: ST, Skill Position Competition, OLine Depth Returners (WR Joe Reed from Virginia, WR Lynn Bowden, CB John Reid Penn ST., Isiah Rodgers from UMass; RB Darryton Evans App State & Levante Bellamy from WMich)
S Team tackler Clemson S/LB Tanner Muse, S/LB Brian Cole Miss St, Khaleke Hudson from Michigan. Pure LB Kamal Martin MN, LB Joe Bachie Mich, Francis Bernard Utah, Markus Bailey from Purdue...
Safeties: Iowa Geno Stone, Utah Julian Blackmon, Cali Jaylinn Hawkins.

Arif thinks Pinter (who Chad listed day 3) is a quintessential Viking pick plus a justin Herron from Wake Forest and Jon Runyan Jr. From Michigan.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:21:11 AM

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Wisc Cephus is slower than Treadwell

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:24:38 AM

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Wisc Cephus is slower than Treadwell

LOL I see that. Wonder why Chad put him down as a Fast WR. Maybe he is separate from a speed WR. Doesn't really separate speed wr from Cephus in article.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:27:54 AM

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Wisc Cephus is slower than Treadwell

LOL I see that. Wonder why Chad put him down as a Fast WR. Maybe he is separate from a speed WR. Doesn't really separate speed wr from Cephus in article.

Cephus does have excellent hands but seperation could be a big problem. Most LB's nowadays are faster than him.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:33:26 AM

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Paul Allen on KFAN said the #Vikings could be trading for Washington LT Trent Williams today with the compensation being a Day-3 pick.

Team can then focus on CB and WR in 1st round.

“Don’t be surprised if there’s more action for the purple & gold today than a Rambo movie.”

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:52:57 AM

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Sean Borman
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Paul Allen on KFAN said the #Vikings could be trading for Washington LT Trent Williams today with the compensation being a Day-3 pick.

Team can then focus on CB and WR in 1st round.

“Don’t be surprised if there’s more action for the purple & gold today than a Rambo movie.”

I don't think Washington will have to settle for a day three pick. I can see them doing that if we are including Harris and Reiff.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 11:55:15 AM

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Sean Borman
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Paul Allen on KFAN said the #Vikings could be trading for Washington LT Trent Williams today with the compensation being a Day-3 pick.

Team can then focus on CB and WR in 1st round.

“Don’t be surprised if there’s more action for the purple & gold today than a Rambo movie.”

I don't know...Rambo movies have a lot of action in them...

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 12:05:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

1st Rounders since 2009
Harvin
Ponder
Kalil
Harrison
Floyd
Rhodes
Patterson
Barr
Teddy
Waynes
Treadwell
Hughes
Bradbury

4 of 13 still on the team, and that's with recently selected Hughes and Bradbury which is expected. Mostly only a career ending injury or being a mammoth bust would exclude them.

Harvin got us draft picks.
Ponder was a giant reach where he was picked. and busted out
Kalil was very good his rookie year then injuries and loss of confidence ruined him
Harrison is gold
Floyd would have been very good if not for a botched surgery
Rhodes was good for years then fell off a cliff
Patterson was very gifted athletically but just couldn't figure out how to run a route right. Even Bill Belichick couldn't get more out of him.
Barr is better than people here give him credit for.
Teddy would be our QB now if not for the knee injury
Waynes would probably still be here if not for salary cap issues
Treadwell was just a bad pick, but very few WRs that draft turned out good...
Hughes is about to get tested.
Bradbury is about to get tested more.

And if you look at the rest of the draft we haven't done all that bad.

A different take-
Harvin ultimately a risk I would’ve taken as well - Uber talented/ Elevated us.
Ponder was a need/ reach brutal selection. A lot of people usually get canned over picks like that.
Kalil was good until he received coaching that didn’t expect more out of him. 🙄 Dork, reaffirmed my dislike for USC players.
Rhodes ultimately a good pick. Who could foresee this cliff he dropped off relatively young.
Patterson although I loved aspects of his game was another waste of heavy capital/ picks for a gadget player.
Barr at #9 is a good pick, needs more consistency, not used properly in scheme IMO
Teddy (I’m biased) trading back up for him was a very good move. Who could foresee that injury ughhh. Love the kid
Waynes was ok, underachieved IMO, but not a bad pick at #11. Had the tools, not the killer instinct.
Treadwell bad, real bad, never showed anything.
Hughes got raves during his first training camp. Didn’t need CB in the 1st round, bad pick We’ll see/injury
Bradbury looked liked Elflein as a center early, came on a little (Trending bust) gotta get more stout. Why you don’t draft C in 1st.

All said we’ve been praised league wide for having one of the most talented rosters in the NFL the last 5-6 years inspite of many 1st round hickups.

This is THE MOST IMPORTANT DRAFT in quite a few years for us.

We can either hit a home run where we need it- OL, CB, WR, DL and be right back up there, or not, and fall back into the Mike Tice/ Leslie Frazier years....

SKOL Vikes this week!

Another opinion:
Harvin -- Heart was never in the game. Only did it for the money.
Ponder -- Brutal pick
Kalil -- A classic gravy-train pick. Everybody thought he was gonna be his brother. Think Tom Arnold, one of the biggest gravy-trainers of all time
Rhodes -- was a star for a few years and then the game took its toll
Patterson -- gifted athlete who always gave 100%. One of the great return guys the Vikings have ever had. Not a great receiver, but had heart
Barr -- a guy the Vikings have always played out of position
Teddy -- S-A-W-F-T. Dude broke his leg walking on the practice field
Waynes -- DOUBLE S-A-W-F-T One of the worst picks the Vikings have made given their needs at the time. Didn't like him the minute they drafted him
Hughes -- Stud
Bradbury -- massive upgrade over Elflein, who was disappointing from day one. Showed some promise as a rookie.

I don't know Brad.

Elflain actually out performed Bradbury when comparing rookie seasons.

Waynes certainly was underwhelming but he was durable and good in run support. Not nearly as good of a coverage cb considering he was the 11th overall pick though.

Hughes i think will rebound this year. but far from a stud.

Waynes has been a bum since day one. I remember when he was finally named the opening-day starter in 2016 and he got schooled by Tajae Sharpe. That's right, Tajae, not Shannon.

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RE: NFL Draft 2020 - 4/23/2020 12:08:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

1st Rounders since 2009
Harvin
Ponder
Kalil
Harrison
Floyd
Rhodes
Patterson
Barr
Teddy
Waynes
Treadwell
Hughes
Bradbury

4 of 13 still on the team, and that's with recently selected Hughes and Bradbury which is expected. Mostly only a career ending injury or being a mammoth bust would exclude them.

Harvin got us draft picks.
Ponder was a giant reach where he was picked. and busted out
Kalil was very good his rookie year then injuries and loss of confidence ruined him
Harrison is gold
Floyd would have been very good if not for a botched surgery
Rhodes was good for years then fell off a cliff
Patterson was very gifted athletically but just couldn't figure out how to run a route right. Even Bill Belichick couldn't get more out of him.
Barr is better than people here give him credit for.
Teddy would be our QB now if not for the knee injury
Waynes would probably still be here if not for salary cap issues
Treadwell was just a bad pick, but very few WRs that draft turned out good...
Hughes is about to get tested.
Bradbury is about to get tested more.

And if you look at the rest of the draft we haven't done all that bad.

A different take-
Harvin ultimately a risk I would’ve taken as well - Uber talented/ Elevated us.
Ponder was a need/ reach brutal selection. A lot of people usually get canned over picks like that.
Kalil was good until he received coaching that didn’t expect more out of him. 🙄 Dork, reaffirmed my dislike for USC players.
Rhodes ultimately a good pick. Who could foresee this cliff he dropped off relatively young.
Patterson although I loved aspects of his game was another waste of heavy capital/ picks for a gadget player.
Barr at #9 is a good pick, needs more consistency, not used properly in scheme IMO
Teddy (I’m biased) trading back up for him was a very good move. Who could foresee that injury ughhh. Love the kid
Waynes was ok, underachieved IMO, but not a bad pick at #11. Had the tools, not the killer instinct.
Treadwell bad, real bad, never showed anything.
Hughes got raves during his first training camp. Didn’t need CB in the 1st round, bad pick We’ll see/injury
Bradbury looked liked Elflein as a center early, came on a little (Trending bust) gotta get more stout. Why you don’t draft C in 1st.

All said we’ve been praised league wide for having one of the most talented rosters in the NFL the last 5-6 years inspite of many 1st round hickups.

This is THE MOST IMPORTANT DRAFT in quite a few years for us.

We can either hit a home run where we need it- OL, CB, WR, DL and be right back up there, or not, and fall back into the Mike Tice/ Leslie Frazier years....

SKOL Vikes this week!

Another opinion:
Harvin -- Heart was never in the game. Only did it for the money.
Ponder -- Brutal pick
Kalil -- A classic gravy-train pick. Everybody thought he was gonna be his brother. Think Tom Arnold, one of the biggest gravy-trainers of all time
Rhodes -- was a star for a few years and then the game took its toll
Patterson -- gifted athlete who always gave 100%. One of the great return guys the Vikings have ever had. Not a great receiver, but had heart
Barr -- a guy the Vikings have always played out of position
Teddy -- S-A-W-F-T. Dude broke his leg walking on the practice field
Waynes -- DOUBLE S-A-W-F-T One of the worst picks the Vikings have made given their needs at the time. Didn't like him the minute they drafted him
Hughes -- Stud
Bradbury -- massive upgrade over Elflein, who was disappointing from day one. Showed some promise as a rookie.

Not a bad take overall...

Although your contrast on Harvin/Patterson is off to me...

To me... Patterson was a really poor mans Percy... just a gadget player.
Percy was all the returner, runner parts of Patterson AND a great slot receiver.
Played the game fearlessly.
Put the team on his back in some of those 2009 games.

Patterson was the one who would fumble a critical return and then be yukking it up on the sideline.

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