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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 10:51:35 AM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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If Minion starts… I hope GB grinds him up and he quits football in shame and embarrassment..

He is horrible..

Absolutely horrible…

FFS you know he sucks… I’m gonna predict a pick six in the first quarter…

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:18:47 AM   
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So Mond sucks is my conclusion.

Another reason to fire Speilman and Zimmer.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:24:17 AM  1 votes
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I think I'll pass on watching a Turd Manion led team get killed in GB.

**** you Cousins!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:33:43 AM   
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This team is a joke. Probably my least favorite Viking team ever and I'm an old fart.

I'd prefer Ponder next year to another year of Kurt.

< Message edited by Murph -- 12/31/2021 11:35:00 AM >


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:34:02 AM   
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So Mond sucks is my conclusion.

Another reason to fire Speilman and Zimmer.

All we really know is Mond Sucks at Zimmerball, and Manion the minion will do as he is told, like Kirk , get the **** off my team, you asshole, Cousins…

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:34:27 AM   
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If Minion starts… I hope GB grinds him up and he quits football in shame and embarrassment..

He is horrible..

Absolutely horrible…

FFS you know he sucks… I’m gonna predict a pick six in the first quarter…

I don't.

We probably won't throw a pass. Maybe a fumble return TD.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:38:51 AM   
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Last week Kirks father Don clicked LIKE on several Skor North TWEETS suggesting the Vikings should fire Zimmer

Now this morning after its come out Kirky has Covid daddy Don has deleted his Twitter account... What a passive aggressive chickenshit a-hole of a supposed man of god, leader of men...

And you wonder where Kirk gets his leadership skills from...

"If I Die, I Die"

What you waiting for KFC?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:40:43 AM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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Zack Pierce
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NFL teams are 83-12-1 this season when winning the turnover margin by two or more. The Vikings, tied for second in the league with six such games, have four of those 12 losses.



So basically the Vikings win turnover battles, take leads into the 4th quarter, etc, etc, etc yet other teams somehow win against large sample statistical odds. Perhaps they think, ah we got this because the Vikings are soft, predictable, will choke, and the head coach will botch something near the end of the game.

This pretty much points to coaching imo. Stats show 90% of the time teams win these games yet Zim manages to piss them away. stats tend to back up the eye test when it comes to Zim in game management.

A coach will always be made to look bad as a game manager if he has a quarterback that can't run a two-minute offense. In addition, a defense that is terrible at stopping one is equally damaging. The Vikings are one of the worst two-minute teams in the league this season. They've been outscored by about 50+ points this season in the final two minutes of halves. If they had just played competently in the final two minutes of halves they'd have a least two more wins, if not three or four.

I know its a rant I have that people are getting tired of, but it is 100% true. Cousins has a 101.2 overall quarterback rating. His quarterback rating in the final two minutes of halves is 76.5. He just doesn't get it done when it matters, plain and simple.

Aaron Rodgers -- 118.5
Joe Burrow -- 125.6
Russell Wilson -- 110.7

People are tired of Brad arguing about Brad. Your 2 min argument is just another of your futile campaigns to own a point of view that is neither wholly true nor wholly yours.

There are three or four posters who blame Cousins QB deficiencies on the situation around him. Most believe he’s good at some things and bad at others. Whoopee.

According to the Wash. Post, he’s about #10 in 4th qtr effeciency and #9 in late/close game passing efficiency. That wasn’t cherry picked, that was the first place I looked. And that is as far as I’m going to defend him because I want him gone.

But …. as other more neutral and even-handed posters than yourself have said, there’s a good chance our next QB - especially a highly touted young one if we are smart enough to go that route - will struggle for a time and perform less well than the #10-15 rated KC (if you go by stats … which I’m leery of).

Hopefully its worth it but you never know. Its super hard for this franchise to get it right.

COUSINS SUCKS, he ruined this teams momentum of 2017 with his signing

Get the F U CK over it, Cousins is not the missing piece... he was a piece of garbage move yet again by a GM that cannot evaluate QB talent

Cousins was a BAD signing, he is exactly what he is... He is the whole reason this team never took a step firther than Case had us in 2017 and honesty Cousins signing did MORTGAGE OUR FUTURE...

Kirk Cousins Says He's Not Worried about COVID-19: "If I Die, I Die"

Not a team leader, just a POS... stop making excuses for the piece of shit KFC!

Learn how to read first. Or hire somebody, maybe a translator with better comprehension... like a chimpanzee.

Then respond. Idiot.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:45:36 AM   
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NFL teams are 83-12-1 this season when winning the turnover margin by two or more. The Vikings, tied for second in the league with six such games, have four of those 12 losses.



So basically the Vikings win turnover battles, take leads into the 4th quarter, etc, etc, etc yet other teams somehow win against large sample statistical odds. Perhaps they think, ah we got this because the Vikings are soft, predictable, will choke, and the head coach will botch something near the end of the game.

This pretty much points to coaching imo. Stats show 90% of the time teams win these games yet Zim manages to piss them away. stats tend to back up the eye test when it comes to Zim in game management.

A coach will always be made to look bad as a game manager if he has a quarterback that can't run a two-minute offense. In addition, a defense that is terrible at stopping one is equally damaging. The Vikings are one of the worst two-minute teams in the league this season. They've been outscored by about 50+ points this season in the final two minutes of halves. If they had just played competently in the final two minutes of halves they'd have a least two more wins, if not three or four.

I know its a rant I have that people are getting tired of, but it is 100% true. Cousins has a 101.2 overall quarterback rating. His quarterback rating in the final two minutes of halves is 76.5. He just doesn't get it done when it matters, plain and simple.

Aaron Rodgers -- 118.5
Joe Burrow -- 125.6
Russell Wilson -- 110.7

People are tired of Brad arguing about Brad. Your 2 min argument is just another of your futile campaigns to own a point of view that is neither wholly true nor wholly yours.

There are three or four posters who blame Cousins QB deficiencies on the situation around him. Most believe he’s good at some things and bad at others. Whoopee.

According to the Wash. Post, he’s about #10 in 4th qtr effeciency and #9 in late/close game passing efficiency. That wasn’t cherry picked, that was the first place I looked. And that is as far as I’m going to defend him because I want him gone.

But …. as other more neutral and even-handed posters than yourself have said, there’s a good chance our next QB - especially a highly touted young one if we are smart enough to go that route - will struggle for a time and perform less well than the #10-15 rated KC (if you go by stats … which I’m leery of).

Hopefully its worth it but you never know. Its super hard for this franchise to get it right.

COUSINS SUCKS, he ruined this teams momentum of 2017 with his signing

Get the F U CK over it, Cousins is not the missing piece... he was a piece of garbage move yet again by a GM that cannot evaluate QB talent

Cousins was a BAD signing, he is exactly what he is... He is the whole reason this team never took a step firther than Case had us in 2017 and honesty Cousins signing did MORTGAGE OUR FUTURE...

Kirk Cousins Says He's Not Worried about COVID-19: "If I Die, I Die"

Not a team leader, just a POS... stop making excuses for the piece of shit KFC!

Learn how to read first. Or hire somebody, maybe a translator with better comprehension... like a chimpanzee.

Then respond. Idiot.

I wasnt responding just to you Tom or calling out YOU, was a response to the thread and generalization of all who rationalize for KFC in any aspect by continuing to spout stats...

Never attacked you or your character... well played on your part I guess...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:47:19 AM   
Tom Sykes

 

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This team is a joke. Probably my least favorite Viking team ever and I'm an old fart.

I'd prefer Ponder next year to another year of Kurt.

I was thinking about that and I'd have to agree.

As much as I'm embarrassed to admit it ... all the change in draft approach (OL, no 7th rdrs) and added veteran rentals over the summer inflated my expectations a bit to, 'who knows,maybe?'

It made the drop back to reality that much farther.

Now its compounded by worrying about how much change / purging is going to happen.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 12/31/2021 11:51:18 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:49:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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Zack Pierce
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NFL teams are 83-12-1 this season when winning the turnover margin by two or more. The Vikings, tied for second in the league with six such games, have four of those 12 losses.



So basically the Vikings win turnover battles, take leads into the 4th quarter, etc, etc, etc yet other teams somehow win against large sample statistical odds. Perhaps they think, ah we got this because the Vikings are soft, predictable, will choke, and the head coach will botch something near the end of the game.

This pretty much points to coaching imo. Stats show 90% of the time teams win these games yet Zim manages to piss them away. stats tend to back up the eye test when it comes to Zim in game management.

A coach will always be made to look bad as a game manager if he has a quarterback that can't run a two-minute offense. In addition, a defense that is terrible at stopping one is equally damaging. The Vikings are one of the worst two-minute teams in the league this season. They've been outscored by about 50+ points this season in the final two minutes of halves. If they had just played competently in the final two minutes of halves they'd have a least two more wins, if not three or four.

I know its a rant I have that people are getting tired of, but it is 100% true. Cousins has a 101.2 overall quarterback rating. His quarterback rating in the final two minutes of halves is 76.5. He just doesn't get it done when it matters, plain and simple.

Aaron Rodgers -- 118.5
Joe Burrow -- 125.6
Russell Wilson -- 110.7

People are tired of Brad arguing about Brad. Your 2 min argument is just another of your futile campaigns to own a point of view that is neither wholly true nor wholly yours.

There are three or four posters who blame Cousins QB deficiencies on the situation around him. Most believe he’s good at some things and bad at others. Whoopee.

According to the Wash. Post, he’s about #10 in 4th qtr effeciency and #9 in late/close game passing efficiency. That wasn’t cherry picked, that was the first place I looked. And that is as far as I’m going to defend him because I want him gone.

But …. as other more neutral and even-handed posters than yourself have said, there’s a good chance our next QB - especially a highly touted young one if we are smart enough to go that route - will struggle for a time and perform less well than the #10-15 rated KC (if you go by stats … which I’m leery of).

Hopefully its worth it but you never know. Its super hard for this franchise to get it right.

COUSINS SUCKS, he ruined this teams momentum of 2017 with his signing

Get the F U CK over it, Cousins is not the missing piece... he was a piece of garbage move yet again by a GM that cannot evaluate QB talent

Cousins was a BAD signing, he is exactly what he is... He is the whole reason this team never took a step firther than Case had us in 2017 and honesty Cousins signing did MORTGAGE OUR FUTURE...

Kirk Cousins Says He's Not Worried about COVID-19: "If I Die, I Die"

Not a team leader, just a POS... stop making excuses for the piece of shit KFC!

Learn how to read first. Or hire somebody, maybe a translator with better comprehension... like a chimpanzee.

Then respond. Idiot.

I wasnt responding just to you Tom or calling out YOU, was a response to the thread and generalization of all who rationalize for KFC in any aspect by continuing to spout stats...

Never attacked you or your character... well played on your part I guess...

My apologies then for taking it personal.

I flew off the handle. Again.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:51:01 AM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Zack Pierce
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NFL teams are 83-12-1 this season when winning the turnover margin by two or more. The Vikings, tied for second in the league with six such games, have four of those 12 losses.



So basically the Vikings win turnover battles, take leads into the 4th quarter, etc, etc, etc yet other teams somehow win against large sample statistical odds. Perhaps they think, ah we got this because the Vikings are soft, predictable, will choke, and the head coach will botch something near the end of the game.

This pretty much points to coaching imo. Stats show 90% of the time teams win these games yet Zim manages to piss them away. stats tend to back up the eye test when it comes to Zim in game management.

A coach will always be made to look bad as a game manager if he has a quarterback that can't run a two-minute offense. In addition, a defense that is terrible at stopping one is equally damaging. The Vikings are one of the worst two-minute teams in the league this season. They've been outscored by about 50+ points this season in the final two minutes of halves. If they had just played competently in the final two minutes of halves they'd have a least two more wins, if not three or four.

I know its a rant I have that people are getting tired of, but it is 100% true. Cousins has a 101.2 overall quarterback rating. His quarterback rating in the final two minutes of halves is 76.5. He just doesn't get it done when it matters, plain and simple.

Aaron Rodgers -- 118.5
Joe Burrow -- 125.6
Russell Wilson -- 110.7

People are tired of Brad arguing about Brad. Your 2 min argument is just another of your futile campaigns to own a point of view that is neither wholly true nor wholly yours.

There are three or four posters who blame Cousins QB deficiencies on the situation around him. Most believe he’s good at some things and bad at others. Whoopee.

According to the Wash. Post, he’s about #10 in 4th qtr effeciency and #9 in late/close game passing efficiency. That wasn’t cherry picked, that was the first place I looked. And that is as far as I’m going to defend him because I want him gone.

But …. as other more neutral and even-handed posters than yourself have said, there’s a good chance our next QB - especially a highly touted young one if we are smart enough to go that route - will struggle for a time and perform less well than the #10-15 rated KC (if you go by stats … which I’m leery of).

Hopefully its worth it but you never know. Its super hard for this franchise to get it right.

Late game passing efficiency is far different than passer rating in the final two minutes of both halves. It is essential in the year 2021 to be good in the final two minutes of halves, especially when you have a defense as bad as the Vikings. Can some of it be blamed on play calling? Sure it can. But not all. This is the second straight season where Cousins has been terrible in the final two minutes of halves. At some point it isn't an occasional accident.

His late-season COVID episode is just another example of his poor leadership skills. He opted to exorcize his free will and not get vaccinated. The Vikings should exorcize their option and cut his ass, previous to the end of the season. And the general manager should also be asked to step down as a fallout for having to eat his contract. It's like the inmates are running the asylum with this organization.

My hope is that whomever plays quarterback on Sunday marches right down the field in the final two minutes of a half and scores a touchdown. I hope the fellas rally behind whomever is under center and goes out and plays hard. Something tells me most of them don't like Cousins to begin with.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 12/31/2021 11:56:20 AM >


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 11:57:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Zack Pierce
@ZPathletic
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NFL teams are 83-12-1 this season when winning the turnover margin by two or more. The Vikings, tied for second in the league with six such games, have four of those 12 losses.



So basically the Vikings win turnover battles, take leads into the 4th quarter, etc, etc, etc yet other teams somehow win against large sample statistical odds. Perhaps they think, ah we got this because the Vikings are soft, predictable, will choke, and the head coach will botch something near the end of the game.

This pretty much points to coaching imo. Stats show 90% of the time teams win these games yet Zim manages to piss them away. stats tend to back up the eye test when it comes to Zim in game management.

A coach will always be made to look bad as a game manager if he has a quarterback that can't run a two-minute offense. In addition, a defense that is terrible at stopping one is equally damaging. The Vikings are one of the worst two-minute teams in the league this season. They've been outscored by about 50+ points this season in the final two minutes of halves. If they had just played competently in the final two minutes of halves they'd have a least two more wins, if not three or four.

I know its a rant I have that people are getting tired of, but it is 100% true. Cousins has a 101.2 overall quarterback rating. His quarterback rating in the final two minutes of halves is 76.5. He just doesn't get it done when it matters, plain and simple.

Aaron Rodgers -- 118.5
Joe Burrow -- 125.6
Russell Wilson -- 110.7

People are tired of Brad arguing about Brad. Your 2 min argument is just another of your futile campaigns to own a point of view that is neither wholly true nor wholly yours.

There are three or four posters who blame Cousins QB deficiencies on the situation around him. Most believe he’s good at some things and bad at others. Whoopee.

According to the Wash. Post, he’s about #10 in 4th qtr effeciency and #9 in late/close game passing efficiency. That wasn’t cherry picked, that was the first place I looked. And that is as far as I’m going to defend him because I want him gone.

But …. as other more neutral and even-handed posters than yourself have said, there’s a good chance our next QB - especially a highly touted young one if we are smart enough to go that route - will struggle for a time and perform less well than the #10-15 rated KC (if you go by stats … which I’m leery of).

Hopefully its worth it but you never know. Its super hard for this franchise to get it right.

COUSINS SUCKS, he ruined this teams momentum of 2017 with his signing

Get the F U CK over it, Cousins is not the missing piece... he was a piece of garbage move yet again by a GM that cannot evaluate QB talent

Cousins was a BAD signing, he is exactly what he is... He is the whole reason this team never took a step firther than Case had us in 2017 and honesty Cousins signing did MORTGAGE OUR FUTURE...

Kirk Cousins Says He's Not Worried about COVID-19: "If I Die, I Die"

Not a team leader, just a POS... stop making excuses for the piece of shit KFC!

Learn how to read first. Or hire somebody, maybe a translator with better comprehension... like a chimpanzee.

Then respond. Idiot.

I wasnt responding just to you Tom or calling out YOU, was a response to the thread and generalization of all who rationalize for KFC in any aspect by continuing to spout stats...

Never attacked you or your character... well played on your part I guess...

My apologies then for taking it personal.

I flew off the handle. Again.

I never take anything personal here, Ive been here since the Strib days and that magic '98 season...

I can be toxic, spewing my vile rant over the disdain of given elements I perceive are holding this team back. Right or wrong I know I can be very divisive in my views.

In the end we all have the same wish for our favorite team... Super Bowl Baby before we Die!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 12:03:27 PM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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It gonna be Manion….

But like the Vikings masochist that I am…

I’ll watch the game, probably on mute, and bitch at Zimmer and play calling as we run on every single down while GB plays 9 in the box, knowing that a crippled safety is gonna pick off Manion the first time he takes a deer in the headlights look downfield…

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 12:05:48 PM   
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Maybe Manion can get a Hail Mary in the same zip code as a receiver..

Hope he doesn’t hurt his hand off hand …

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 12:08:48 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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Zack Pierce
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NFL teams are 83-12-1 this season when winning the turnover margin by two or more. The Vikings, tied for second in the league with six such games, have four of those 12 losses.



So basically the Vikings win turnover battles, take leads into the 4th quarter, etc, etc, etc yet other teams somehow win against large sample statistical odds. Perhaps they think, ah we got this because the Vikings are soft, predictable, will choke, and the head coach will botch something near the end of the game.

This pretty much points to coaching imo. Stats show 90% of the time teams win these games yet Zim manages to piss them away. stats tend to back up the eye test when it comes to Zim in game management.

A coach will always be made to look bad as a game manager if he has a quarterback that can't run a two-minute offense. In addition, a defense that is terrible at stopping one is equally damaging. The Vikings are one of the worst two-minute teams in the league this season. They've been outscored by about 50+ points this season in the final two minutes of halves. If they had just played competently in the final two minutes of halves they'd have a least two more wins, if not three or four.

I know its a rant I have that people are getting tired of, but it is 100% true. Cousins has a 101.2 overall quarterback rating. His quarterback rating in the final two minutes of halves is 76.5. He just doesn't get it done when it matters, plain and simple.

Aaron Rodgers -- 118.5
Joe Burrow -- 125.6
Russell Wilson -- 110.7

People are tired of Brad arguing about Brad. Your 2 min argument is just another of your futile campaigns to own a point of view that is neither wholly true nor wholly yours.

There are three or four posters who blame Cousins QB deficiencies on the situation around him. Most believe he’s good at some things and bad at others. Whoopee.

According to the Wash. Post, he’s about #10 in 4th qtr effeciency and #9 in late/close game passing efficiency. That wasn’t cherry picked, that was the first place I looked. And that is as far as I’m going to defend him because I want him gone.

But …. as other more neutral and even-handed posters than yourself have said, there’s a good chance our next QB - especially a highly touted young one if we are smart enough to go that route - will struggle for a time and perform less well than the #10-15 rated KC (if you go by stats … which I’m leery of).

Hopefully its worth it but you never know. Its super hard for this franchise to get it right.

Late game passing efficiency is far different than passer rating in the final two minutes of both halves. It is essential in the year 2021 to be good in the final two minutes of halves, especially when you have a defense as bad as the Vikings. Can some of it be blamed on play calling? Sure it can. But not all. This is the second straight season where Cousins has been terrible in the final two minutes of halves. At some point it isn't an occasional accident.

His late-season COVID episode is just another example of his poor leadership skills. He opted to exorcize his free will and not get vaccinated. The Vikings should exorcize their option and cut his ass, previous to the end of the season. And the general manager should also be asked to step down as a fallout.

The problem with Cousins goes well beyond his play in two minutes. Its much deeper ... I'm sure you get that but you harped on two minutes all summer then Cousins came out and played well during some two minute drills and you had to shut up for a moment.

All this annoying two minute crap is just you trying to protect the position you staked out, your talkvikes 'brand'. Cousins has proven he can execute a 2 minute drill, he has done it very well several times this season. No QB does it well all the time.

The bottomline is, Cousins simply cannot rise above an offensive play call or a good defensive adjustment. If there's something there, he'll execute it very well, if its not there he's not going to improvise and make it happen.

IMO that is a debilitating trait for a franchise QB.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 12:18:25 PM   
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NFL teams are 83-12-1 this season when winning the turnover margin by two or more. The Vikings, tied for second in the league with six such games, have four of those 12 losses.



So basically the Vikings win turnover battles, take leads into the 4th quarter, etc, etc, etc yet other teams somehow win against large sample statistical odds. Perhaps they think, ah we got this because the Vikings are soft, predictable, will choke, and the head coach will botch something near the end of the game.

This pretty much points to coaching imo. Stats show 90% of the time teams win these games yet Zim manages to piss them away. stats tend to back up the eye test when it comes to Zim in game management.

A coach will always be made to look bad as a game manager if he has a quarterback that can't run a two-minute offense. In addition, a defense that is terrible at stopping one is equally damaging. The Vikings are one of the worst two-minute teams in the league this season. They've been outscored by about 50+ points this season in the final two minutes of halves. If they had just played competently in the final two minutes of halves they'd have a least two more wins, if not three or four.

I know its a rant I have that people are getting tired of, but it is 100% true. Cousins has a 101.2 overall quarterback rating. His quarterback rating in the final two minutes of halves is 76.5. He just doesn't get it done when it matters, plain and simple.

Aaron Rodgers -- 118.5
Joe Burrow -- 125.6
Russell Wilson -- 110.7

People are tired of Brad arguing about Brad. Your 2 min argument is just another of your futile campaigns to own a point of view that is neither wholly true nor wholly yours.

There are three or four posters who blame Cousins QB deficiencies on the situation around him. Most believe he’s good at some things and bad at others. Whoopee.

According to the Wash. Post, he’s about #10 in 4th qtr effeciency and #9 in late/close game passing efficiency. That wasn’t cherry picked, that was the first place I looked. And that is as far as I’m going to defend him because I want him gone.

But …. as other more neutral and even-handed posters than yourself have said, there’s a good chance our next QB - especially a highly touted young one if we are smart enough to go that route - will struggle for a time and perform less well than the #10-15 rated KC (if you go by stats … which I’m leery of).

Hopefully its worth it but you never know. Its super hard for this franchise to get it right.

COUSINS SUCKS, he ruined this teams momentum of 2017 with his signing

Get the F U CK over it, Cousins is not the missing piece... he was a piece of garbage move yet again by a GM that cannot evaluate QB talent

Cousins was a BAD signing, he is exactly what he is... He is the whole reason this team never took a step firther than Case had us in 2017 and honesty Cousins signing did MORTGAGE OUR FUTURE...

Kirk Cousins Says He's Not Worried about COVID-19: "If I Die, I Die"

Not a team leader, just a POS... stop making excuses for the piece of shit KFC!

Learn how to read first. Or hire somebody, maybe a translator with better comprehension... like a chimpanzee.

Then respond. Idiot.

I wasnt responding just to you Tom or calling out YOU, was a response to the thread and generalization of all who rationalize for KFC in any aspect by continuing to spout stats...

Never attacked you or your character... well played on your part I guess...

My apologies then for taking it personal.

I flew off the handle. Again.

I never take anything personal here, Ive been here since the Strib days and that magic '98 season...

I can be toxic, spewing my vile rant over the disdain of given elements I perceive are holding this team back. Right or wrong I know I can be very divisive in my views.

In the end we all have the same wish for our favorite team... Super Bowl Baby before we Die!

I have two superpowers. One, I always get in the way by trying to get out the way. Two, every time I bash a poster for non-comprehension I come to realize (or its pointed out) that I misread their post.

Its very hard for an extreme moderate like myself to digest your hard core approach but I will TRY and approach them differently ... thanks.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 12:18:42 PM  1 votes
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The fact that we even have a Sean Mannion on this team as our backup is reason enough to get rid of this pathetic GM/HC combo. Ridiculous that we can't get a serviceable QB as #2. Play freaking Mond you dumb idiots, at least you may get a chance to see what you have!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 12:31:27 PM   
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You gotta understand.. on MIKE ZIMMER’S TEAM:
you run the play called,
you do not take a risk,
you do not move in the pocket so the dummies blocking don’t have to have any talent,
you only scramble if a finger starts to brush your Jersey,
you always take the safe throw,
you wait a minimum of Ten seconds before you decide which running play to announce in the huddle, even as the play/ game clock winds down,
you also spend a minimum of ten seconds pretending to read the defense and call an audible..,
You must throw incomplete passes with at least 20 seconds left on the play clock, any time a normal team/coach would try to grind time off the clock..

Manion is the obvious KFC CLONE

< Message edited by Daniel Lee Young -- 12/31/2021 12:33:56 PM >


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 12:34:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nate

The fact that we even have a Sean Mannion on this team as our backup is reason enough to get rid of this pathetic GM/HC combo. Ridiculous that we can't get a serviceable QB as #2. Play freaking Mond you dumb idiots, at least you may get a chance to see what you have!


We have a great #2, his name is Kurt Cousins and he eats up cap space like he's a Hall of Famer.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 12:42:03 PM   
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Brad, was that you in the video you linked ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 12:59:10 PM   
Nate

 

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The aversion to playing Davis and Mond over Hill/Udoh/Bradbury and Mannion either tells me this GM and coaching staff f'd up again on these picks, or have done such a poor job of coaching them up they can't play them over a proven veteran liability. Get em out.

On Sunday, I imagine we'll see plenty of 2 and 3 TE sets and have Osborne as the single WR outside. Gotta keep that JJ in check ya know. In any case, if we can manage to get a couple of first downs in the game (maybe GB will get a couple of late penalties when the game is secure), we could hit the 30+ rushes mark. If I'm GB I crowd the LOS, run blitz all day and see what Zim can do about it (nothing).
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 1:00:04 PM   
Nate

 

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lol yup. The albatross contracts are killing us, which is why we have a bunch of Mannions on the team to fill out the roster.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 1:27:48 PM   
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When we've gotten to the point where we're debating between Sean Mannion and Christian Ponder, we're in really big trouble.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2021 1:43:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

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NFL teams are 83-12-1 this season when winning the turnover margin by two or more. The Vikings, tied for second in the league with six such games, have four of those 12 losses.



So basically the Vikings win turnover battles, take leads into the 4th quarter, etc, etc, etc yet other teams somehow win against large sample statistical odds. Perhaps they think, ah we got this because the Vikings are soft, predictable, will choke, and the head coach will botch something near the end of the game.

This pretty much points to coaching imo. Stats show 90% of the time teams win these games yet Zim manages to piss them away. stats tend to back up the eye test when it comes to Zim in game management.

A coach will always be made to look bad as a game manager if he has a quarterback that can't run a two-minute offense. In addition, a defense that is terrible at stopping one is equally damaging. The Vikings are one of the worst two-minute teams in the league this season. They've been outscored by about 50+ points this season in the final two minutes of halves. If they had just played competently in the final two minutes of halves they'd have a least two more wins, if not three or four.

I know its a rant I have that people are getting tired of, but it is 100% true. Cousins has a 101.2 overall quarterback rating. His quarterback rating in the final two minutes of halves is 76.5. He just doesn't get it done when it matters, plain and simple.

Aaron Rodgers -- 118.5
Joe Burrow -- 125.6
Russell Wilson -- 110.7

People are tired of Brad arguing about Brad. Your 2 min argument is just another of your futile campaigns to own a point of view that is neither wholly true nor wholly yours.

There are three or four posters who blame Cousins QB deficiencies on the situation around him. Most believe he’s good at some things and bad at others. Whoopee.

According to the Wash. Post, he’s about #10 in 4th qtr effeciency and #9 in late/close game passing efficiency. That wasn’t cherry picked, that was the first place I looked. And that is as far as I’m going to defend him because I want him gone.

But …. as other more neutral and even-handed posters than yourself have said, there’s a good chance our next QB - especially a highly touted young one if we are smart enough to go that route - will struggle for a time and perform less well than the #10-15 rated KC (if you go by stats … which I’m leery of).

Hopefully its worth it but you never know. Its super hard for this franchise to get it right.

COUSINS SUCKS, he ruined this teams momentum of 2017 with his signing

Get the F U CK over it, Cousins is not the missing piece... he was a piece of garbage move yet again by a GM that cannot evaluate QB talent

Cousins was a BAD signing, he is exactly what he is... He is the whole reason this team never took a step firther than Case had us in 2017 and honesty Cousins signing did MORTGAGE OUR FUTURE...

Kirk Cousins Says He's Not Worried about COVID-19: "If I Die, I Die"

Not a team leader, just a POS... stop making excuses for the piece of shit KFC!

Learn how to read first. Or hire somebody, maybe a translator with better comprehension... like a chimpanzee.

Then respond. Idiot.

I wasnt responding just to you Tom or calling out YOU, was a response to the thread and generalization of all who rationalize for KFC in any aspect by continuing to spout stats...

Never attacked you or your character... well played on your part I guess...

My apologies then for taking it personal.

I flew off the handle. Again.

I never take anything personal here, Ive been here since the Strib days and that magic '98 season...

I can be toxic, spewing my vile rant over the disdain of given elements I perceive are holding this team back. Right or wrong I know I can be very divisive in my views.

In the end we all have the same wish for our favorite team... Super Bowl Baby before we Die!

You think that you are upset this week.

Wait till we start Cousins or Mannion in a meaningless game against the Bears next week.
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