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ORIGINAL: marty

The opening line I found was 2, so it has moved a little, if it's at Dallas - 1 1/2.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty

The opening line I found was 2, so it has moved a little, if it's at Dallas - 1 1/2.

I heard the opening line was -3 but I don't bet on NFL games.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- I've always liked RGlll <cough cough>
- Actually the only time ive ever -need to be careful here- really didn't care if the Vikes lost was when we lost the ability to move up in the draft and pick him with an improbably win. I know on some level that makes me a hypocrite

Robert Griffin III

@RGIII
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22h
The Vikings are REAL. People don’t believe in them because they don’t trust Kirk Cousins despite his 5 GAME WINNING DRIVES THIS YEAR. Fine. Trust Justin Jefferson, Trust Dalvin Cook. Trust Za’Darius Smith. Trust Patrick Peterson. They are 8-1 and having fun. That’s DANGEROUS.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- I've always liked RGlll <cough cough>
- Actually the only time ive ever -need to be careful here- really didn't care if the Vikes lost was when we lost the ability to move up in the draft and pick him with an improbably win. I know on some level that makes me a hypocrite

Robert Griffin III

@RGIII
·
22h
The Vikings are REAL. People don’t believe in them because they don’t trust Kirk Cousins despite his 5 GAME WINNING DRIVES THIS YEAR. Fine. Trust Justin Jefferson, Trust Dalvin Cook. Trust Za’Darius Smith. Trust Patrick Peterson. They are 8-1 and having fun. That’s DANGEROUS.

IMO not a hypocrite. Never like the meaningless win(s) at the end of the year when the alternative would have been to play the backups to see how they do plus help lock in a higher draft position.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- I've always liked RGlll <cough cough>
- Actually the only time ive ever -need to be careful here- really didn't care if the Vikes lost was when we lost the ability to move up in the draft and pick him with an improbably win. I know on some level that makes me a hypocrite

Robert Griffin III

@RGIII
·
22h
The Vikings are REAL. People don’t believe in them because they don’t trust Kirk Cousins despite his 5 GAME WINNING DRIVES THIS YEAR. Fine. Trust Justin Jefferson, Trust Dalvin Cook. Trust Za’Darius Smith. Trust Patrick Peterson. They are 8-1 and having fun. That’s DANGEROUS.

IMO not a hypocrite. Never like the meaningless win(s) at the end of the year when the alternative would have been to play the backups to see how they do plus help lock in a higher draft position.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- I've always liked RGlll <cough cough>
- Actually the only time ive ever -need to be careful here- really didn't care if the Vikes lost was when we lost the ability to move up in the draft and pick him with an improbably win. I know on some level that makes me a hypocrite

Robert Griffin III

@RGIII
·
22h
The Vikings are REAL. People don’t believe in them because they don’t trust Kirk Cousins despite his 5 GAME WINNING DRIVES THIS YEAR. Fine. Trust Justin Jefferson, Trust Dalvin Cook. Trust Za’Darius Smith. Trust Patrick Peterson. They are 8-1 and having fun. That’s DANGEROUS.

IMO not a hypocrite. Never like the meaningless win(s) at the end of the year when the alternative would have been to play the backups to see how they do plus help lock in a higher draft position.

I always laugh at how they say it is all about the QB.....I watched Dan Marino, Fouts, and even the immortal Brady struggle when they don't have the pieces in place which is a very talented coaching staff, a decent defense, and a GM that can make just the right amount of tweaks.

I still say last year our coach cost us at least 2 wins in game management and who knows how many more with his decision making on which players to bring in last year as FA (Breeland, Alexander, and keeping Barr & Dozier) put shade on how great Kirk & JJ were last season.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- I've always liked RGlll <cough cough>
- Actually the only time ive ever -need to be careful here- really didn't care if the Vikes lost was when we lost the ability to move up in the draft and pick him with an improbably win. I know on some level that makes me a hypocrite

Robert Griffin III

@RGIII
·
22h
The Vikings are REAL. People don’t believe in them because they don’t trust Kirk Cousins despite his 5 GAME WINNING DRIVES THIS YEAR. Fine. Trust Justin Jefferson, Trust Dalvin Cook. Trust Za’Darius Smith. Trust Patrick Peterson. They are 8-1 and having fun. That’s DANGEROUS.

IMO not a hypocrite. Never like the meaningless win(s) at the end of the year when the alternative would have been to play the backups to see how they do plus help lock in a higher draft position.

I always laugh at how they say it is all about the QB.....I watched Dan Marino, Fouts, and even the immortal Brady struggle when they don't have the pieces in place which is a very talented coaching staff, a decent defense, and a GM that can make just the right amount of tweaks.

I still say last year our coach cost us at least 2 wins in game management and who knows how many more with his decision making on which players to bring in last year as FA (Breeland, Alexander, and keeping Barr & Dozier) put shade on how great Kirk & JJ were last season.

Kirk wasn't great last year ... or the 9 years before.

He's putting together a great year this year if he keeps showing up in big moments.

For the first time, I believe he's capable of being in the top tier QB conversation ... regardless if his stats put him in the 10-20 range of pundit QB rankings.

He just needs to keep at it, its a long season.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- I've always liked RGlll <cough cough>
- Actually the only time ive ever -need to be careful here- really didn't care if the Vikes lost was when we lost the ability to move up in the draft and pick him with an improbably win. I know on some level that makes me a hypocrite

Robert Griffin III

@RGIII
·
22h
The Vikings are REAL. People don’t believe in them because they don’t trust Kirk Cousins despite his 5 GAME WINNING DRIVES THIS YEAR. Fine. Trust Justin Jefferson, Trust Dalvin Cook. Trust Za’Darius Smith. Trust Patrick Peterson. They are 8-1 and having fun. That’s DANGEROUS.

IMO not a hypocrite. Never like the meaningless win(s) at the end of the year when the alternative would have been to play the backups to see how they do plus help lock in a higher draft position.

I always laugh at how they say it is all about the QB.....I watched Dan Marino, Fouts, and even the immortal Brady struggle when they don't have the pieces in place which is a very talented coaching staff, a decent defense, and a GM that can make just the right amount of tweaks.

I still say last year our coach cost us at least 2 wins in game management and who knows how many more with his decision making on which players to bring in last year as FA (Breeland, Alexander, and keeping Barr & Dozier) put shade on how great Kirk & JJ were last season.

Kirk wasn't great last year ... or the 9 years before.

He's putting together a great year this year if he keeps showing up in big moments.

For the first time, I believe he's capable of being in the top tier QB conversation ... regardless if his stats put him in the 10-20 range of pundit QB rankings.

He just needs to keep at it, its a long season.

An 11-6 or 10-7 and playoffs last year would have done the same.

Yes he was better last year.....our ST/Defense/Coaching has been the difference this year. He has actually thrown more INTs this year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

You guys see that Philly signed both Linval Joseph and Suh

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- I've always liked RGlll <cough cough>
- Actually the only time ive ever -need to be careful here- really didn't care if the Vikes lost was when we lost the ability to move up in the draft and pick him with an improbably win. I know on some level that makes me a hypocrite

Robert Griffin III

@RGIII
·
22h
The Vikings are REAL. People don’t believe in them because they don’t trust Kirk Cousins despite his 5 GAME WINNING DRIVES THIS YEAR. Fine. Trust Justin Jefferson, Trust Dalvin Cook. Trust Za’Darius Smith. Trust Patrick Peterson. They are 8-1 and having fun. That’s DANGEROUS.

IMO not a hypocrite. Never like the meaningless win(s) at the end of the year when the alternative would have been to play the backups to see how they do plus help lock in a higher draft position.

I always laugh at how they say it is all about the QB.....I watched Dan Marino, Fouts, and even the immortal Brady struggle when they don't have the pieces in place which is a very talented coaching staff, a decent defense, and a GM that can make just the right amount of tweaks.

I still say last year our coach cost us at least 2 wins in game management and who knows how many more with his decision making on which players to bring in last year as FA (Breeland, Alexander, and keeping Barr & Dozier) put shade on how great Kirk & JJ were last season.

Kirk wasn't great last year ... or the 9 years before.

He's putting together a great year this year if he keeps showing up in big moments.

For the first time, I believe he's capable of being in the top tier QB conversation ... regardless if his stats put him in the 10-20 range of pundit QB rankings.

He just needs to keep at it, its a long season.

An 11-6 or 10-7 and playoffs last year would have done the same.

Yes he was better last year.....our ST/Defense/Coaching has been the difference this year. He has actually thrown more INTs this year.

KOC is getting him to take more risks instead of being Check Down Charlie. KC doesn't throw the ball to JJ last year on 4th and 18. He checks down to TE for 10yd gain and game is over.

Taking risks hurts your stats but can also make you a winner if you pull it off often enough.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

- I've always liked RGlll <cough cough>
- Actually the only time ive ever -need to be careful here- really didn't care if the Vikes lost was when we lost the ability to move up in the draft and pick him with an improbably win. I know on some level that makes me a hypocrite

Robert Griffin III

@RGIII
·
22h
The Vikings are REAL. People don’t believe in them because they don’t trust Kirk Cousins despite his 5 GAME WINNING DRIVES THIS YEAR. Fine. Trust Justin Jefferson, Trust Dalvin Cook. Trust Za’Darius Smith. Trust Patrick Peterson. They are 8-1 and having fun. That’s DANGEROUS.

IMO not a hypocrite. Never like the meaningless win(s) at the end of the year when the alternative would have been to play the backups to see how they do plus help lock in a higher draft position.

I always laugh at how they say it is all about the QB.....I watched Dan Marino, Fouts, and even the immortal Brady struggle when they don't have the pieces in place which is a very talented coaching staff, a decent defense, and a GM that can make just the right amount of tweaks.

I still say last year our coach cost us at least 2 wins in game management and who knows how many more with his decision making on which players to bring in last year as FA (Breeland, Alexander, and keeping Barr & Dozier) put shade on how great Kirk & JJ were last season.

Kirk wasn't great last year ... or the 9 years before.

He's putting together a great year this year if he keeps showing up in big moments.

For the first time, I believe he's capable of being in the top tier QB conversation ... regardless if his stats put him in the 10-20 range of pundit QB rankings.

He just needs to keep at it, its a long season.

An 11-6 or 10-7 and playoffs last year would have done the same.

Yes he was better last year.....our ST/Defense/Coaching has been the difference this year. He has actually thrown more INTs this year.

KOC is getting him to take more risks instead of being Check Down Charlie. KC doesn't throw the ball to JJ last year on 4th and 18. He checks down to TE for 10yd gain and game is over.

Taking risks hurts your stats but can also make you a winner if you pull it off often enough.

I don't disagree with him taking more risks this year but Kirk was on fire the first 10 games last year. The Defense and ST led to many losses last year in those first 10 games. Check the game logs.

19 TD 2 Int at this time last year.

Plus you add a Cook fumble against Cincy and Joseph missed kick against Arizona to the equation.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Some just hate Kirk so much last year due to Vax....

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

You guys see that Philly signed both Linval Joseph and Suh

Kinda bummed about that...

Hoping both guys are done.
But if either of them shores up that run defense... Philly is pulling out all the stops.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Some just hate Kirk so much last year due to Vax....

Due to Vax?

Majority of people have never liked Kirk, as a QB or a person. He has to 8-1 for people to go, Maybe he's a little better than in the past

Am i exaggerating a little? Doesnt feel like it?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

You guys see that Philly signed both Linval Joseph and Suh

Kinda bummed about that...

Hoping both guys are done.
But if either of them shores up that run defense... Philly is pulling out all the stops.

I didn't even know Joseph was on the market.
Chances are that our young guys Lynch and Tongas are just as good as a fraction of the money.
Hope Tomlinson gets healthy soon

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

“Some just hate Kirk so much last year due to Vax …”

You blow my mind Phil.

Literally … I feel your muddled idiosyncratic breathing on the side of my head.

e-v-e-r-y-t-i-m-e

I respond to one of your posts.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Some just hate Kirk so much last year due to Vax....

Due to Vax?

Majority of people have never liked Kirk, as a QB or a person. He has to 8-1 for people to go, Maybe he's a little better than in the past

Am i exaggerating a little? Doesnt feel like it?

The turn around happened last year. The Non Vax did make certain posters post negatively towards him which wasn't football related. Amazing him being a christian isn't as big of deal either.

Even though Thielen has slowed down a bit the improvement from Smith/Conklin to TJ and oline has made us an even better offense (of course no one wants to mention Oline performance last year either).

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

“Some just hate Kirk so much last year due to Vax …”

You blow my mind Phil.

Literally … I feel your muddled idiosyncratic breathing on the side of my head.

e-v-e-r-y-t-i-m-e

I respond to one of your posts.

Look at the first 10 games last year versus this year with no defense, a worse oline (Darrisaw missed the first few games), worse ST, and worse coaching....

The link to the games is right there in the post.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Some just hate Kirk so much last year due to Vax....

Due to Vax?

Majority of people have never liked Kirk, as a QB or a person. He has to 8-1 for people to go, Maybe he's a little better than in the past

Am i exaggerating a little? Doesnt feel like it?