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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: drviking

not terribly unexpected, but at least it wasnt embarrassing.

to me, it felt like the keenum year...fun, but not enough to win it all, so just enjoy the run...enjoy the wins, the catch, etc...

defense was too much of a liability for me to buy in all year.

keenum year without a minneapolis miracle

I certainly try to tell myself just enjoy it, it's not a big deal, but man really frustrating to see other organization who haven't won a Super Bowl building towards giving themselves chances like Cincy and Jax. Hell, I even love the young team Detroit has.

Just really depressing this team has never won a Super Bowl, and doesn't really seem they are on a path to building one at the moment. In fact things may need to get worse for a year or 2, before they get better

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Murph

I'm so jealous of the Bears.

They did exactly what I wanted the Vikings to do this year.

They hired the GM I was hoping for, Poles, with a football background not a Wall street analytics suit. Kwesi's #1 job is talent acquisition, he brought in Hockensen mid season and got lucky getting Z. Smith on a cheap contract, that's about it other than overpaying long in the tooth vets. Oh and a punter

They realized they were more than a year away and traded some of their valuable soon to be overpaid assets for future draft picks while resting nicked up starters getting younger players experience. All of this helping to get the #1 draft slot in each round plus extra picks from trades and with a young QB and they have boatload of cap space.

Their biggest problem is what to do with the number 1 overall? Keep Fields and trade down and get a ton more picks or trade Fields and draft the highest rated QB in a strong class.

I think they are going to be the team to beat in the North for a while. Hope I'm wrong.

Have you seen Fields play?
Amazing athlete but mostly 1 read and run...
Oh, and shocker... he got injured running.
They could easily be starting over AGAIN in a couple of years.

(I want a young stud QB too... but I don't know that Chi has it)

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

BTW, the call for roughing the passer on the Giants was an awful call. Lets not forget that break.

It was a hand to the helmet before the throw down that I believe caused it.

meh...hyperbole...


it wasnt awful, it wasnt great....questionable at best

It was an attempted tackle. That's it. There was nothing malicious about it whatsoever. It wasn't late. Cousins wasn't defenseless. It wasn't to the head.

Intent doesn't mean anything.... you don't think Brady/Arod get that call 100% of the time?
You touch the QB helmet and it gets called at least 50% of the time.
I don't love it... but it is what it is

Nonsense. It was totally arbitrary. The guys arm glanced against him. One could even say that Cousins forced the contact.

I would have called the late hit earlier in the game where he was pushed over backwards after a throw way before the glance on the facemask.

Totally dodged my statement.
If you hit the QB in the helmet it's a 50/50 call... intent and ridiculous "forced the contant" don't matter.
it wasn't a great call
most of the roughing the qb calls these days suck
it was hardly egregious
it's a common call

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

That is the way the rule is written. The refs still don't call it every time, so it's arbitrary.

It was a bail out, plain and simple. If it hadn't been called, very few would have said a word.

You could call holding on every play, the way it is written.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Murph

I'm so jealous of the Bears.

They did exactly what I wanted the Vikings to do this year.

They hired the GM I was hoping for, Poles, with a football background not a Wall street analytics suit. Kwesi's #1 job is talent acquisition, he brought in Hockensen mid season and got lucky getting Z. Smith on a cheap contract, that's about it other than overpaying long in the tooth vets. Oh and a punter

They realized they were more than a year away and traded some of their valuable soon to be overpaid assets for future draft picks while resting nicked up starters getting younger players experience. All of this helping to get the #1 draft slot in each round plus extra picks from trades and with a young QB and they have boatload of cap space.

Their biggest problem is what to do with the number 1 overall? Keep Fields and trade down and get a ton more picks or trade Fields and draft the highest rated QB in a strong class.

I think they are going to be the team to beat in the North for a while. Hope I'm wrong.

Have you seen Fields play?
Amazing athlete but mostly 1 read and run...
Oh, and shocker... he got injured running.
They could easily be starting over AGAIN in a couple of years.

(I want a young stud QB too... but I don't know that Chi has it)

They can trade Fields. They can keep Fields and draft the best QB prospect in the draft and have a competition. Trade the other. They have a ton of options.

I'd much rather be the Bears. They also have a ton of cap space.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Murph

I'm so jealous of the Bears.

They did exactly what I wanted the Vikings to do this year.

They hired the GM I was hoping for, Poles, with a football background not a Wall street analytics suit. Kwesi's #1 job is talent acquisition, he brought in Hockensen mid season and got lucky getting Z. Smith on a cheap contract, that's about it other than overpaying long in the tooth vets. Oh and a punter

They realized they were more than a year away and traded some of their valuable soon to be overpaid assets for future draft picks while resting nicked up starters getting younger players experience. All of this helping to get the #1 draft slot in each round plus extra picks from trades and with a young QB and they have boatload of cap space.

Their biggest problem is what to do with the number 1 overall? Keep Fields and trade down and get a ton more picks or trade Fields and draft the highest rated QB in a strong class.

I think they are going to be the team to beat in the North for a while. Hope I'm wrong.

Have you seen Fields play?
Amazing athlete but mostly 1 read and run...
Oh, and shocker... he got injured running.
They could easily be starting over AGAIN in a couple of years.

(I want a young stud QB too... but I don't know that Chi has it)

They can trade Fields. They can keep Fields and draft the best QB prospect in the draft and have a competition. Trade the other. They have a ton of options.

I'd much rather be the Bears. They also have a ton of cap space.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

I'm so jealous of the Bears.

They did exactly what I wanted the Vikings to do this year.

They hired the GM I was hoping for, Poles, with a football background not a Wall street analytics suit. Kwesi's #1 job is talent acquisition, he brought in Hockensen mid season and got lucky getting Z. Smith on a cheap contract, that's about it other than overpaying long in the tooth vets. Oh and a punter

They realized they were more than a year away and traded some of their valuable soon to be overpaid assets for future draft picks while resting nicked up starters getting younger players experience. All of this helping to get the #1 draft slot in each round plus extra picks from trades and with a young QB and they have boatload of cap space.

Their biggest problem is what to do with the number 1 overall? Keep Fields and trade down and get a ton more picks or trade Fields and draft the highest rated QB in a strong class.

I think they are going to be the team to beat in the North for a while. Hope I'm wrong.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

BTW, the call for roughing the passer on the Giants was an awful call. Lets not forget that break.

It was a hand to the helmet before the throw down that I believe caused it.

QB gets clubbed across the head, it's going to be 15 yards every time.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

BTW, the call for roughing the passer on the Giants was an awful call. Lets not forget that break.

It was a hand to the helmet before the throw down that I believe caused it.

meh...hyperbole...


it wasnt awful, it wasnt great....questionable at best

It was an attempted tackle. That's it. There was nothing malicious about it whatsoever. It wasn't late. Cousins wasn't defenseless. It wasn't to the head.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

BTW, the call for roughing the passer on the Giants was an awful call. Lets not forget that break.

It was a hand to the helmet before the throw down that I believe caused it.

meh...hyperbole...

it wasnt awful, it wasnt great....questionable at best

It was an attempted tackle. That's it. There was nothing malicious about it whatsoever. It wasn't late. Cousins wasn't defenseless. It wasn't to the head.

It was too a blow to the head. His arm came down and clubbed Cousins on the face mask before he tackled him. It wasn't intentional or malicious, but it's going to get called almost every time.

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ORIGINAL: Murph

I'm so jealous of the Bears.

They did exactly what I wanted the Vikings to do this year.

They hired the GM I was hoping for, Poles, with a football background not a Wall street analytics suit. Kwesi's #1 job is talent acquisition, he brought in Hockensen mid season and got lucky getting Z. Smith on a cheap contract, that's about it other than overpaying long in the tooth vets. Oh and a punter

They realized they were more than a year away and traded some of their valuable soon to be overpaid assets for future draft picks while resting nicked up starters getting younger players experience. All of this helping to get the #1 draft slot in each round plus extra picks from trades and with a young QB and they have boatload of cap space.

Their biggest problem is what to do with the number 1 overall? Keep Fields and trade down and get a ton more picks or trade Fields and draft the highest rated QB in a strong class.

I think they are going to be the team to beat in the North for a while. Hope I'm wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

BTW, the call for roughing the passer on the Giants was an awful call. Lets not forget that break.

It was a hand to the helmet before the throw down that I believe caused it.

meh...hyperbole...


it wasnt awful, it wasnt great....questionable at best

It was an attempted tackle. That's it. There was nothing malicious about it whatsoever. It wasn't late. Cousins wasn't defenseless. It wasn't to the head.

Intent doesn't mean anything.... you don't think Brady/Arod get that call 100% of the time?
You touch the QB helmet and it gets called at least 50% of the time.
I don't love it... but it is what it is

Nonsense. It was totally arbitrary. The guys arm glanced against him. One could even say that Cousins forced the contact.

I would have called the late hit earlier in the game where he was pushed over backwards after a throw way before the glance on the facemask.

Totally dodged my statement.
If you hit the QB in the helmet it's a 50/50 call... intent and ridiculous "forced the contant" don't matter.
it wasn't a great call
most of the roughing the qb calls these days suck
it was hardly egregious
it's a common call

That is the way the rule is written. The refs still don't call it every time, so it's arbitrary.

It was a bail out, plain and simple. If it hadn't been called, very few would have said a word.

You could call holding on every play, the way it is written. It doesn't mean they do.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Murph

I'm so jealous of the Bears.

They did exactly what I wanted the Vikings to do this year.

They hired the GM I was hoping for, Poles, with a football background not a Wall street analytics suit. Kwesi's #1 job is talent acquisition, he brought in Hockensen mid season and got lucky getting Z. Smith on a cheap contract, that's about it other than overpaying long in the tooth vets. Oh and a punter

They realized they were more than a year away and traded some of their valuable soon to be overpaid assets for future draft picks while resting nicked up starters getting younger players experience. All of this helping to get the #1 draft slot in each round plus extra picks from trades and with a young QB and they have boatload of cap space.

Their biggest problem is what to do with the number 1 overall? Keep Fields and trade down and get a ton more picks or trade Fields and draft the highest rated QB in a strong class.

I think they are going to be the team to beat in the North for a while. Hope I'm wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

BTW, the call for roughing the passer on the Giants was an awful call. Lets not forget that break.

It was a hand to the helmet before the throw down that I believe caused it.

meh...hyperbole...


it wasnt awful, it wasnt great....questionable at best

It was an attempted tackle. That's it. There was nothing malicious about it whatsoever. It wasn't late. Cousins wasn't defenseless. It wasn't to the head.

i have seen less called, a have seen more not called

it was not a horrible call...was it a bad call...maybe, i would even go so far as probably

but it wasnt awful

those types of questionable calls happen every game


overall i thought the refs were pretty reasonable, of course, there were some missed calls, just like some missed catches, everybody is human...except maybe robot kirk

In the end the refs weren't noticed much. That's a good thing.

Neither were our safeties.

I'm trying to remember them being noticed. The only thing that comes to mind is Bynum running up and the guy running by him with ease.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Murph

I'm so jealous of the Bears.

They did exactly what I wanted the Vikings to do this year.

They hired the GM I was hoping for, Poles, with a football background not a Wall street analytics suit. Kwesi's #1 job is talent acquisition, he brought in Hockensen mid season and got lucky getting Z. Smith on a cheap contract, that's about it other than overpaying long in the tooth vets. Oh and a punter

They realized they were more than a year away and traded some of their valuable soon to be overpaid assets for future draft picks while resting nicked up starters getting younger players experience. All of this helping to get the #1 draft slot in each round plus extra picks from trades and with a young QB and they have boatload of cap space.

Their biggest problem is what to do with the number 1 overall? Keep Fields and trade down and get a ton more picks or trade Fields and draft the highest rated QB in a strong class.

I think they are going to be the team to beat in the North for a while. Hope I'm wrong.

They're in a good position draft wise, cap space and they don't have Ryan Pace to mess it up. But they're devoid of talent for the most part. Horrendous OLine, below avg receivers, no DLine. They've got some talent in the back 7 and at RB. Lets see how this GM does, he's already made one terrible trade for Claypool.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

BTW, the call for roughing the passer on the Giants was an awful call. Lets not forget that break.

It was a hand to the helmet before the throw down that I believe caused it.

meh...hyperbole...

it wasnt awful, it wasnt great....questionable at best

It was an attempted tackle. That's it. There was nothing malicious about it whatsoever. It wasn't late. Cousins wasn't defenseless. It wasn't to the head.

It was too a blow to the head. His arm came down and clubbed Cousins on the face mask before he tackled him. It wasn't intentional or malicious, but it's going to get called almost every time.

It was a bullshit bailout.

No it wasnt Brad. They enforced the rule as its written. QB takes a forearm to the head, they throw the flag almost every time. It doesn't matter whether it was intentional. If you don't like it take it up with the rules committee.

Nonsense. It's arbitrary. I saw 15 hits this weekend on quarterbacks that were far more egregious that weren't called. Heck, there was a late hit on Cousins that was way worse earlier in the game where his head pounded on the field after being pushed over backwards after a throw. I would have called that one way before the one that was called.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: drviking

not terribly unexpected, but at least it wasnt embarrassing.

to me, it felt like the keenum year...fun, but not enough to win it all, so just enjoy the run...enjoy the wins, the catch, etc...

defense was too much of a liability for me to buy in all year.

keenum year without a minneapolis miracle

I certainly try to tell myself just enjoy it, it's not a big deal, but man really frustrating to see other organization who haven't won a Super Bowl building towards giving themselves chances like Cincy and Jax. Hell, I even love the young team Detroit has.

Just really depressing this team has never won a Super Bowl, and doesn't really seem they are on a path to building one at the moment. In fact things may need to get worse for a year or 2, before they get better

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: drviking

not terribly unexpected, but at least it wasnt embarrassing.

to me, it felt like the keenum year...fun, but not enough to win it all, so just enjoy the run...enjoy the wins, the catch, etc...

defense was too much of a liability for me to buy in all year.

keenum year without a minneapolis miracle

I certainly try to tell myself just enjoy it, it's not a big deal, but man really frustrating to see other organization who haven't won a Super Bowl building towards giving themselves chances like Cincy and Jax. Hell, I even love the young team Detroit has.

Just really depressing this team has never won a Super Bowl, and doesn't really seem they are on a path to building one at the moment. In fact things may need to get worse for a year or 2, before they get better

The problem starts at the top. Are the Wilf's willing to do what necessary?

Or are they satisfied with just being competitive but fizzling out every year?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

BTW, the call for roughing the passer on the Giants was an awful call. Lets not forget that break.

It was a hand to the helmet before the throw down that I believe caused it.

meh...hyperbole...


it wasnt awful, it wasnt great....questionable at best

It was an attempted tackle. That's it. There was nothing malicious about it whatsoever. It wasn't late. Cousins wasn't defenseless. It wasn't to the head.

Intent doesn't mean anything.... you don't think Brady/Arod get that call 100% of the time?
You touch the QB helmet and it gets called at least 50% of the time.
I don't love it... but it is what it is

Nonsense. It was totally arbitrary. The guys arm glanced against him. One could even say that Cousins forced the contact.

I would have called the late hit earlier in the game where he was pushed over backwards after a throw way before the glance on the facemask.

Totally dodged my statement.
If you hit the QB in the helmet it's a 50/50 call... intent and ridiculous "forced the contant" don't matter.
it wasn't a great call
most of the roughing the qb calls these days suck
it was hardly egregious
it's a common call

That is the way the rule is written. The refs still don't call it every time, so it's arbitrary.

It was a bail out, plain and simple. If it hadn't been called, very few would have said a word.

You could call holding on every play, the way it is written. It doesn't mean they do.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: drviking

not terribly unexpected, but at least it wasnt embarrassing.

to me, it felt like the keenum year...fun, but not enough to win it all, so just enjoy the run...enjoy the wins, the catch, etc...

defense was too much of a liability for me to buy in all year.

keenum year without a minneapolis miracle

I certainly try to tell myself just enjoy it, it's not a big deal, but man really frustrating to see other organization who haven't won a Super Bowl building towards giving themselves chances like Cincy and Jax. Hell, I even love the young team Detroit has.

Just really depressing this team has never won a Super Bowl, and doesn't really seem they are on a path to building one at the moment. In fact things may need to get worse for a year or 2, before they get better

The problem starts at the top. Are the Wilf's willing to do what necessary?

Or are they satisfied with just being competitive but fizzling out every year?

By continuing to trot Kirk out there I'm going with the latter.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: drviking

not terribly unexpected, but at least it wasnt embarrassing.

to me, it felt like the keenum year...fun, but not enough to win it all, so just enjoy the run...enjoy the wins, the catch, etc...

defense was too much of a liability for me to buy in all year.

keenum year without a minneapolis miracle

I certainly try to tell myself just enjoy it, it's not a big deal, but man really frustrating to see other organization who haven't won a Super Bowl building towards giving themselves chances like Cincy and Jax. Hell, I even love the young team Detroit has.

Just really depressing this team has never won a Super Bowl, and doesn't really seem they are on a path to building one at the moment. In fact things may need to get worse for a year or 2, before they get better

The problem starts at the top. Are the Wilf's willing to do what necessary?

Or are they satisfied with just being competitive but fizzling out every year?

By continuing to trot Kirk out there I'm going with the latter.

???
I saw a tweet about what Drew Brews did with bottom 4 defenses versus top 10 defenses. What the team did with its limitations this year was amazing.

Tear the defense down and include Thielen and Cook in that tear down. You have 2 OT, JJeff, and TJ which is too much young talent to go in full rebuild mode. JJeff is generational and TJ isn't far behind.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: drviking

not terribly unexpected, but at least it wasnt embarrassing.

to me, it felt like the keenum year...fun, but not enough to win it all, so just enjoy the run...enjoy the wins, the catch, etc...

defense was too much of a liability for me to buy in all year.

keenum year without a minneapolis miracle

I certainly try to tell myself just enjoy it, it's not a big deal, but man really frustrating to see other organization who haven't won a Super Bowl building towards giving themselves chances like Cincy and Jax. Hell, I even love the young team Detroit has.

Just really depressing this team has never won a Super Bowl, and doesn't really seem they are on a path to building one at the moment. In fact things may need to get worse for a year or 2, before they get better

The problem starts at the top. Are the Wilf's willing to do what necessary?

Or are they satisfied with just being competitive but fizzling out every year?

By continuing to trot Kirk out there I'm going with the latter.

???
I saw a tweet about what Drew Brews did with bottom 4 defenses versus top 10 defenses. What the team did with its limitations this year was amazing.

Tear the defense down and include Thielen and Cook in that tear down. You have 2 OT, JJeff, and TJ which is too much young talent to go in full rebuild mode. JJeff is generational and TJ isn't far behind.

Come on Phil. This team is going nowhere with Kirk. Him continuing to qb the Vikings is just a monumental waste of time. Yes I know the defense sucks. However this team is spinning its wheels until hes gone.