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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:09:22 PM

Phil Riewer

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Vikings are rumored to possibly be a landing spot for Lamar Jackson:
https://share.newsbreak.com/3d1nyl5d
Any thoughts on Jackson ?
I haven't seen him play much, but would be more excited than with what Kirk brings. What I don't like with Jackson is the huge contract and what it may take in draft capital.

3 reasons you don't go after Lamar. 1) Injuries 2) Baltimore will match 3) he isn't an accurate passer

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:20:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty
Vikings are rumored to possibly be a landing spot for Lamar Jackson:
https://share.newsbreak.com/3d1nyl5d
Any thoughts on Jackson ?
I haven't seen him play much, but would be more excited than with what Kirk brings. What I don't like with Jackson is the huge contract and what it may take in draft capital.

3 reasons you don't go after Lamar. 1) Injuries 2) Baltimore will match 3) he isn't an accurate passer

1) Somewhat agree but the amount of games he's missed gets exaggerated. 2) Not our problem. 3) His accuracy is fine. Cousins career completion % is 66.8, Jackson's is 63.7.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:25:22 PM

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He's also had crap targets pretty much his entire career.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:31:12 PM

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Were not rumored to be interested in Lamar. At least wo merit.

Some writer said we'd be an outside shot at being a landing spot.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:31:22 PM

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He's also had crap targets pretty much his entire career.

Ridiculous-level crap targets.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:32:30 PM

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Were not rumored to be interested in Lamar. At least wo merit.

Some writer said we'd be an outside shot at being a landing spot.

Yes - this is true. I think it arose out of a whim but then content creators saw what an uproar of response it was getting so many of them kept on with it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:36:14 PM

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Were not rumored to be interested in Lamar. At least wo merit.

Some writer said we'd be an outside shot at being a landing spot.

I don't see how we could make him an offer with our cap issues.

I would be intrigued what he could do for us...but after game 6 who would be our QB?

The guy has missed a lot of games the past couple years and it is because of his style of play...

The one thing nobody can say about Kirk Cousins is he misses games. He just doesn't...unless COVID strikes his anti vax ass.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:42:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty
Vikings are rumored to possibly be a landing spot for Lamar Jackson:
https://share.newsbreak.com/3d1nyl5d
Any thoughts on Jackson ?
I haven't seen him play much, but would be more excited than with what Kirk brings. What I don't like with Jackson is the huge contract and what it may take in draft capital.

3 reasons you don't go after Lamar. 1) Injuries 2) Baltimore will match 3) he isn't an accurate passer

Don't forget the 45-50M per year guaranteed that he wants(tough to void years that). And his name isn't Mahomes or Burrow.

Commit future draft picks for one of the Top 4 QBs this year if we are going for the Big Splash.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:43:56 PM

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Were not rumored to be interested in Lamar. At least wo merit.

Some writer said we'd be an outside shot at being a landing spot.

I don't see how we could make him an offer with our cap issues.

I would be intrigued what he could do for us...but after game 6 who would be our QB?

The guy has missed a lot of games the past couple years and it is because of his style of play...

The one thing nobody can say about Kirk Cousins is he misses games. He just doesn't...unless COVID strikes his anti vax ass.

Jackson has missed eleven starts in five seasons.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:45:34 PM

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He's also had crap targets pretty much his entire career.

Ridiculous-level crap targets.

Here's Pete's opinion, not mine:

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Coach O’Connell said the most important attribute for a QB is accuracy. Lamar is not an accurate passer. https://twitter.com/VikesCentral/status/1637508070946242560

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:47:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Were not rumored to be interested in Lamar. At least wo merit.

Some writer said we'd be an outside shot at being a landing spot.

I don't see how we could make him an offer with our cap issues.

I would be intrigued what he could do for us...but after game 6 who would be our QB?

The guy has missed a lot of games the past couple years and it is because of his style of play...

The one thing nobody can say about Kirk Cousins is he misses games. He just doesn't...unless COVID strikes his anti vax ass.

Jackson has missed eleven starts in five seasons.

Most of them in the last two years.

And his style of play is a root cause of that. He's only going to miss more games. That's why the Ravens rolled the dice by tagging him the way they did....They figured most teams would see that and not want to pay him what he really wants because they can't trust he will be there for every game....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:48:05 PM

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Commit future draft picks for one of the Top 4 QBs this year if we are going for the Big Splash.

THIS!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:51:08 PM

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Were not rumored to be interested in Lamar. At least wo merit.

Some writer said we'd be an outside shot at being a landing spot.

I don't see how we could make him an offer with our cap issues.

I would be intrigued what he could do for us...but after game 6 who would be our QB?

The guy has missed a lot of games the past couple years and it is because of his style of play...

The one thing nobody can say about Kirk Cousins is he misses games. He just doesn't...unless COVID strikes his anti vax ass.

Jackson has missed eleven starts in five seasons.

I brought this up before and with no comments: Were there issues with him holding himself out of the lineup, especially the playoff game, because he wasn't getting the contract from Balt he thought he deserved?

Thing is, this day and age you hear it all, true or not.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 12:54:41 PM

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I wouldn't have an issue offering Lamar $140 million guaranteed for 3 years.

After that he will likely be a broken old man of a QB.

5 years $250 million fully guaranteed is franchise suicide.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 1:00:41 PM

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30, $40, $50 million or anything of that sort unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl in your first five years on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. We won a Super Bowl so F it let's just run victory laps and everyone love life. No? Good luck on your new team next year. If it didn't happen in the first five, it's likely not going to happen in the next ten. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 1:03:13 PM

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He's also had crap targets pretty much his entire career.

Ridiculous-level crap targets.

Here's Pete's opinion, not mine:

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Coach O’Connell said the most important attribute for a QB is accuracy. Lamar is not an accurate passer. https://twitter.com/VikesCentral/status/1637508070946242560

When you can add 1200 rushing yards and 7 rushing TDs to your 3000+ passing yards and 36 passing TDs I'll allow you to be three points less accurate than Kirko.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 1:19:23 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxRRRMsDn_A

Granted I want neither, but I'll take Lamar over Kirk all day long. Check out the 4:21 mark. This is the type of play you run to take the Giants out of the D they were using on us in the playoffs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 1:21:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

He's also had crap targets pretty much his entire career.

Ridiculous-level crap targets.

Here's Pete's opinion, not mine:

PeteBercich
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Coach O’Connell said the most important attribute for a QB is accuracy. Lamar is not an accurate passer. https://twitter.com/VikesCentral/status/1637508070946242560

When you can add 1200 rushing yards and 7 rushing TDs to your 3000+ passing yards and 36 passing TDs I'll allow you to be three points less accurate than Kirko.

Good points.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 1:31:41 PM

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Lamar’s game log in December is noticeably empty the past two seasons.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 1:32:28 PM

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Lamar’s game log in December is noticeably empty the past two seasons.

So is our trophy case.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 1:38:20 PM

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Lamar’s game log in December is noticeably empty the past two seasons.

So is our trophy case.

I doubt Lamar’s backup QB would fill it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 1:43:58 PM

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Lamar’s game log in December is noticeably empty the past two seasons.

So is our trophy case.

I doubt Lamar’s backup QB would fill it.

That wasn't the point. The point was that what we've BEEN doing, hasn't amounted to jack shit. That said, please remember I'm not in favor of going after Lamar.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 2:41:35 PM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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Were not rumored to be interested in Lamar. At least wo merit.

Some writer said we'd be an outside shot at being a landing spot.

I don't see how we could make him an offer with our cap issues.

I would be intrigued what he could do for us...but after game 6 who would be our QB?

The guy has missed a lot of games the past couple years and it is because of his style of play...

The one thing nobody can say about Kirk Cousins is he misses games. He just doesn't...unless COVID strikes his anti vax ass.

Jackson has missed eleven starts in five seasons.

I have him down for missing 9 starts just the last 2 years and I believe a playoff game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 2:44:51 PM

Phil Riewer

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Thoughts on Hardman? Vikes have talked a little with him.

I like the speed he brings but another player that struggles to stay on the field. May have to go games and performance incentives.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 3/20/2023 2:55:57 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2023 3:17:34 PM

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Lamar’s game log in December is noticeably empty the past two seasons.

So is our trophy case.

I doubt Lamar’s backup QB would fill it.

That wasn't the point. The point was that what we've BEEN doing, hasn't amounted to jack shit. That said, please remember I'm not in favor of going after Lamar.

Well, What Lamars BEEN doing these past four years hasn't amounted to jack shit either. Anyone who says they believe Jackson is an accurate passer has an agenda they are trying to push. He is average at best (passing accuracy).

Does he have some dynamics to his game? Yes, he does, but those same dynamics are the ones that have QB's like him, out of the league quickly, (in a relative comparison to QB's that don't run the ball so much.) Yes, it offers up another dynamic that the opposition has to prepare for, but not an impossible task. It has been my observation that running QB's deteriorate much faster than pocket type guys. I want a QB that CAN run when needed, Mahomes, Allen, Hurst, a few others come to mind. I don't want an average arm talent guy that we design run plays for just to throw off the defense. Just my preference, I don't pay $50 million a year for that type of QB.

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