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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 11:17:16 AM   
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I was hoping after the top 3 QB's were gone that we'd trade back and get a pick or 2 for next years draft.


I don't think it was for lack of trying.

It's not as if the Vikings ran up with the pick like they were in love.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 11:18:45 AM   
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Great draft last night, and it makes a lot of sense if you look at it from Kwesi and KOC's point of view.

Love the Addison pick. In 2021 he was the Biletnikoff Award as the nation's top receiver and first-team all PAC 12 last year, yet some posters think he's "slow" because he runs in the 4.4's and not 4.3's and is a #3 at best? Funny stuff. The kid is an elite route runner, he's going to get bigger and stronger in the NFL, and with JJ on the other side of the field he's going to produce. The kid is a huge upgrade over Thielen from last year. FWIW, Pete Prisco thinks he's the best receiver in this draft class, and Steve Smith says he has the highest ceiling of any WR in the draft.

Not sure why folks are upset that the Vikings didn't pick Levis or Hooker at 23. Yes, the Vikings need a QBOTF, but you don't pick a guy simply because he's available. You pick him because you believe in their ability to help your team. After the first 3 QB's were off the board, every QB needy team passed on these guys. Obviously, nobody in the NFL believes strongly enough in either player to risk a first rounder on them. If Hooker falls to the 3rd then maybe the Vikes grab him.

The draft is deep at CB. The Vikings drafted a CB in the 2nd round last year in Booth, and added Byron Murphy in FA. Makes perfect sense why KOC and Kwesi added a WR over CB in the first round.

I anticipate that they'll focus the rest of the draft on defense, specifically LB, CB, DT, although a RB might sneak in if they think the value is there.

Fundamentally, does the organization want a guy that helps win games, or a guy that sells jerseys? We desperately need defense if we are going to win anything important. As I see it, every pick should have been a defensive pick, with perhaps a Dorian Thompson-Robinson (or something like that) sprinkled in along the way.


You could argue that they won games last year because of the offense.. certainly not the defense.

I think Addison will have a bigger impact than any single defender would have had on this bad defense... 1 good cb isn't going to turn the defense around himself.
It needs lots of help that probably isn't coming all this year

So in the prism of only seeing the 1st round... I'm ok with a WR that could take the offense to elite level.

The OL could improve just by adding another year - hopefully there will be a little more talent there as well. Seeing a better and more consistent offense will be welcome for sure. Hopefully the defense will make a considerable jump. I would think it'd be hard not to improve somewhat over what we had to endure the last couple years
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 11:43:20 AM   
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This will be year 2 of what in the heck do we have on defense. Year 2 of seeing who produces and who is just a warm body.

The argument the D needs so much that one player won't help makes no sense. You have to start somewhere.

I like the pick primarily because Addison seems to know how to play football and that he will hopefully take pressure off JJ. I would have been happier with defense, but am ok with the pick. Not excited, not disappointed.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 12:27:19 PM   
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I love this review on NFL.com

Analysis: Addison was too strong a value for the Vikings to pass up. He would have been picked earlier if not for his slight build, average top-end speed for his size and occasional drops. Addison is such a tough player, though. He will be a great complement for Justin Jefferson working from the slot.


So they are saying he would have gone much higher if he wasn't small, slow and drops passes? And this got the Vikings an A


“That deaf, dumb and blind kid, sure plays a mean pinball “
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 12:29:28 PM   
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I was hoping after the top 3 QB's were gone that we'd trade back and get a pick or 2 for next years draft.


I don't think it was for lack of trying.

It's not as if the Vikings ran up with the pick like they were in love.

They showed the war-room before the call was made to the draft pick ... at least on ABC which I am stuck with this weekend (I get to enjoy Sam Ponder's commentary along the way).

Anyway, there was some serious discussion / what seemed to me opposing viewpoints being expressed ...

it was not a 'we got him!' moment.

It leads me to believe that Addison wasn't the absolute best outcome at that moment ... just a good one ... the right one under the circumstances.

Pure speculation on my part based on, within 4 or 5 seconds, reading facial expressions and how fast Kwesi's ankles were pacing.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 12:31:08 PM   
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If we could find a way to get into the second and pick up the best corner or dt on our board, I’d be happy. We need more bodies on the defensive side of the ball.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 12:35:20 PM   
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I love this review on NFL.com

Analysis: Addison was too strong a value for the Vikings to pass up. He would have been picked earlier if not for his slight build, average top-end speed for his size and occasional drops. Addison is such a tough player, though. He will be a great complement for Justin Jefferson working from the slot.


So they are saying he would have gone much higher if he wasn't small, slow and drops passes? And this got the Vikings an A


“That deaf, dumb and blind kid, sure plays a mean pinball “


I saw him play at Pitt and he was dynamic when he had the ball. He did drop some easy catches, though. At USC, his drops really seemed to decrease, but his numbers did, too. We need him to find the sweet spot between performance and making clean catches.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 12:39:38 PM  1 votes
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I love this review on NFL.com

Analysis: Addison was too strong a value for the Vikings to pass up. He would have been picked earlier if not for his slight build, average top-end speed for his size and occasional drops. Addison is such a tough player, though. He will be a great complement for Justin Jefferson working from the slot.


So they are saying he would have gone much higher if he wasn't small, slow and drops passes? And this got the Vikings an A


“That deaf, dumb and blind kid, sure plays a mean pinball “


Troy Williamson flashbacks. Can do it all, except catch.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 12:42:57 PM   
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I love this review on NFL.com

Analysis: Addison was too strong a value for the Vikings to pass up. He would have been picked earlier if not for his slight build, average top-end speed for his size and occasional drops. Addison is such a tough player, though. He will be a great complement for Justin Jefferson working from the slot.


....


You mean you love that epitome of a cherry-picked review. Here are some others (all from the same article, which included the review above):


Pro Football Focus: “Good” grade
The Vikings stick at Pick 23 and come away with a talented wide receiver to pair with Justin Jefferson. Addison won the Biletnikoff Award with Pittsburgh in 2021 before transferring to USC, and he finished the past two seasons with 25 touchdowns from 159 receptions.

Brent Sobleski, Bleacher Report: B grade
Thus, Addison gives Minnesota a legitimate threat to complement Jefferson. Much like when the 2020 first-round pick entered the league, the incoming rookie is projected as a slot receiver. Jefferson grew into a dominant receiver from any alignment. Addison is smaller, but he simply knows how to get open.

With Aaron Rodgers now out of the NFC North, the division is there for the Vikings to take yet again. Jefferson and Addison can maximize what could be Kirk Cousins’ final season with the organization.

Vinnie Iyer, Sporting News: A+ grade
The Vikings took full advantage of Addison’s stock slipping to this part of the first round as a slot-forward replacement for Adam Thielen. Addison is an absolute route-running technician with ideal quickness and toughness for the slot. He will benefit nicely from the coverage attention Justin Jefferson gets all over the field.

Pete Prisco, CBS Sports: A grade
He is my favorite receiver in this class. He will be a perfect complement to Justin Jefferson, He is a great route runner. Needs to get a little bigger since he weighs 175 pounds, but that will happen.

Scott Dochterman, The Athletic: C grade
He’s the only three-year receiver in the draft with more than 3,000 career receiving yards. Most of his targets — 57.8 percent, according to Brugler — came within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. Addison played more outside snaps in 2022 but was primarily a slot receiver over his career.

The Vikings’ offense gets more explosive with this move, but it comes at the risk of exposing an already challenged defense.

Joseph Acosta, SB Nation: A grade
I love Jordan Addison. Despite his size and frame, he just knows how to get open. He has a nice understanding of how to create space and how to work blind spots against opposing defenders. In Minnesota, he won’t face as much attention because of some guy named Justin Jefferson, but he’s a very nice complement to Jefferson and will make that offense more efficient.

SI.com: C grade
The run on receivers continued in Minnesota, with the Vikings taking Addison to play opposite Justin Jefferson. While the player is terrific, Minnesota had one of the league’s worst defenses in 2022 and still has ample holes. There were terrific options in edge rusher Nolan Smith and corner Deonte Banks as well. Good player, strange pick.

Charles McDonald, Yahoo! Sports: B+ grade
Addison is the ideal No. 2 wide receiver prospect, and that’s exactly what he’s going to be in the NFL playing next to Justin Jefferson. In an offense that projects to throw the ball a lot, especially if the Vikings trade Dalvin Cook, Addison can be a star.

Ben Rolfe, Pro Football Network: B grade
Addison was the fourth receiver off the board, and his value lines up with his tape. He’s lighter than preferred in the 170-pound range, but Addison’s an undeniably dynamic athlete with the lateral twitch and change of direction to support his profile both as a separator and a RAC threat. In 2021, particularly, he showcased his ability to win above the rim and rise vertically for passes.

Addison puts extra pressure on defenses with his combined vertical and lateral appeal, and in turn, takes pressure off Jefferson. That in and of itself is a good thing. That said, the Vikings had Will Levis available, and Kirk Cousins is entering a contract year. That might’ve been an opportunity to capitalize on, but maximizing the window with Cousins makes sense.

USA Today: B+ grade
Getting Addison in the late first round is a wonderful value for the Vikings. Formerly as USC’s most productive receiver, the go-to man for Caleb Williams, Addison largely had his way with most of the Pacific Coast teams. He’s only available here because of a disappointing 40-yard dash at the Scouting Combine and a slight redemption at a dreary, wet USC Pro Day.

Now, Addison gets to be the speedster complement to Justin Jefferson, pro football’s top boundary weapon. I wouldn’t be sleeping well tonight if I was a cornerback in the NFC North.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 12:47:09 PM   
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If we could find a way to get into the second and pick up the best corner or dt on our board, I’d be happy. We need more bodies on the defensive side of the ball.


Pick wise, #87 and #115 (3rd and 4th ) only net a move to #76 off of this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=min
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 12:54:57 PM   
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If David Palmer could have morphed into a WR, he would be Jordan Addison.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 12:59:36 PM   
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I love this review on NFL.com

Analysis: Addison was too strong a value for the Vikings to pass up. He would have been picked earlier if not for his slight build, average top-end speed for his size and occasional drops. Addison is such a tough player, though. He will be a great complement for Justin Jefferson working from the slot.


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You mean you love that epitome of a cherry-picked review. Here are some others (all from the same article, which included the review above):.

I didn't cherry-pick anything numb-nuts. I loved the review and posted because I thought it was funny.

I'm not a fan of the pick for reasons other than what I think he will be as a receiver. I think Addison be a good slot receiver, maybe even a #2.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 1:13:09 PM   
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Trade Cousins and Hunter for 2024 picks.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 1:38:35 PM   
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No way I'm trading Hunter or Z at this point.

Gotta have something on D.

Creating any more holes would be insane.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 1:41:30 PM   
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I love this review on NFL.com

Analysis: Addison was too strong a value for the Vikings to pass up. He would have been picked earlier if not for his slight build, average top-end speed for his size and occasional drops. Addison is such a tough player, though. He will be a great complement for Justin Jefferson working from the slot.


....


You mean you love that epitome of a cherry-picked review. Here are some others (all from the same article, which included the review above):.

I didn't cherry-pick anything numb-nuts. I loved the review and posted because I thought it was funny.

I'm not a fan of the pick for reasons other than what I think he will be as a receiver. I think Addison be a good slot receiver, maybe even a #2.


Yeah right, why you're just Mr. Hilarious today

And stop your BS that it's not about him as a receiver, as you posted "I just have my doubts when I see, undersized, underfast, prone to drops, coming off injury."

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 1:47:36 PM   
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If David Palmer could have morphed into a WR, he would be Jordan Addison.


Percy Harvin is a better comparison
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 1:49:22 PM   
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If David Palmer could have morphed into a WR, he would be Jordan Addison.


Percy Harvin is a better comparison


Disagree as Percy was faster and strong as hell. Both feasted around the LOS though.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 1:53:37 PM   
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I like the Addison pick. Corey Chavous had him rated the top receiver. Here is his summary:

Time to get NASTY (Our Summary): The 2021 Biletnikoff Award winner changes speeds in his routes,
does not lose acceleration coming out of them and snatches the ball naturally away from his frame.
His route-running style carries a number of similarities to former Toledo wide receiver and Pittsburgh Steelers
Pro Bowl wide receiver Diontae Johnson. Like Johnson, he also brings some flair to
the punt return game, where he averaged over 12 yards per punt return in his career. Addison is not
as strong as Johnson at this same stage and weighs 10 pounds less than he did coming out of school.
Teams that draft Addison should be prepared to use him as a Z wide receiver and feature him in the
slot or in motion. He has worked well when given room to maneuver. When defensive backs can
put their body on Addison, he can be nudged off the spot. At 173 pounds (weighed 170 pounds on
his Pro Day), Addison has to prove that he can beat the odds. In his lone season at USC, the injury
bug appeared and he missed time during a crucial college football playoff stretch of games.
The AllPac-12 receiver plays just as fast in his pads as he does in T-shirts and shorts.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 1:59:22 PM   
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I slept on it and in the fresh light of morning, I'm still underwhelmed with this pick. With all of the glaring needs the Vikings have, they opted to draft their #3 WR. I'm sure some will proclaim him as the #2, but I'm skeptical that he will come in and leapfrog over KJ. I know that there is some sentiment that the receiver pool drops off drastically after Addison, but I would have been fine with not drafting a receiver at all this year.

The kid's interview did nothing to make me feel any better about it. He came off as a smug arrogant dick, who immediately started talking about getting paid.

Corner was a glaring need and Joey Porter Jr slid right into our laps. Big,fast, physical modern corner.

There were both DT and edge rushers who could have provided immediate help.

QBOF is another glaring need as we are probably heading into our final year of Cousins. Levis and Hooker were there. In fact they could have traded back and gotten one of them.

The good news is that some slid through to the second round. Hopefully KAM can find a way into the second and get one.

This post hit it out of the park!

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 2:02:45 PM   
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I don’t know. We were’nt the only ones that didn’t value Levis or Hooker in the first rd. Or Porter.

As much as one of those guys would have addressed a critical need … I will step back to see how day 2 is addressed.

IMO packaging Hunter or Zad to get into the 2nd rd hurts the defense or at least offsets whoever we draft. I suppose it helps our cap depending on the terms of a deal.

I cant imagine getting anything for dinged up Cook beyond a mid-rd if that. But if it were me, I’d pull from the offense to add defense.

Pulling from the defense to add defense doesnt make sense.

In hindsight we should have traded up a half dozen picks and nabbed Gonzales. But I would have been ok with Banks or Porter Jr at 23.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 2:07:49 PM   
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I really like the pick. Addison is very Percy Harvin type and I can see him being used like that. Forget the combine run. If you see his tape he is fast and extremely quick. Can change gears and directions on a dime.

At 171 lbs he'd have to be the badest man on the planet to replicate what Percy could do. Pretty sure he'd het snapped in half if he tried.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 2:11:45 PM   
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I love this review on NFL.com

Analysis: Addison was too strong a value for the Vikings to pass up. He would have been picked earlier if not for his slight build, average top-end speed for his size and occasional drops. Addison is such a tough player, though. He will be a great complement for Justin Jefferson working from the slot.


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You mean you love that epitome of a cherry-picked review. Here are some others (all from the same article, which included the review above):.

I didn't cherry-pick anything numb-nuts. I loved the review and posted because I thought it was funny.

I'm not a fan of the pick for reasons other than what I think he will be as a receiver. I think Addison be a good slot receiver, maybe even a #2.


Yeah right, why you're just Mr. Hilarious today

And stop your BS that it's not about him as a receiver, as you posted "I just have my doubts when I see, undersized, underfast, prone to drops, coming off injury."

Mr Hilarious? I wanted Mr Belligerent-ass, but it was already taken.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 2:13:13 PM   
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I slept on it and in the fresh light of morning, I'm still underwhelmed with this pick. With all of the glaring needs the Vikings have, they opted to draft their #3 WR. I'm sure some will proclaim him as the #2, but I'm skeptical that he will come in and leapfrog over KJ. I know that there is some sentiment that the receiver pool drops off drastically after Addison, but I would have been fine with not drafting a receiver at all this year.

The kid's interview did nothing to make me feel any better about it. He came off as a smug arrogant dick, who immediately started talking about getting paid.

Corner was a glaring need and Joey Porter Jr slid right into our laps. Big,fast, physical modern corner.

There were both DT and edge rushers who could have provided immediate help.

QBOF is another glaring need as we are probably heading into our final year of Cousins. Levis and Hooker were there. In fact they could have traded back and gotten one of them.

The good news is that some slid through to the second round. Hopefully KAM can find a way into the second and get one.

This post hit it out of the park!

Too bad it was foul.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 2:13:14 PM   
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No way I'm trading Hunter or Z at this point.

Gotta have something on D.

Creating any more holes would be insane.

Agreed

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 2:14:41 PM   
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Not all that thrilled about Addison. Sounds like a 3rd rd type flyer on a midget wr.

Seems a bit silly to keep adding premium capital to the offense while fielding a bottom feeder defense. If we were going to add pieces to the offense why not address the root of the problem (IOL)

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