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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 8:37:00 AM

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I was with three other guys watching the draft last night. We all agreed that the worst four picks of the opening round were the Packers, Vikings, Lions (first pick) and Falcons. What in the world were any of those teams thinking on those picks?

When the Vikings draft a USC player and Brad doesn't like it, that tells me all I need to know.

There's been a lot of USC players I didn't like. Addison can play. I don't hate him in the least. I hated the pick because we had other glaring needs.

It was a joke Brad. I should have put up an appropriate emoji to signify it.

Sorry, I don't understand the joke. I haven't been anything close to a USC cheerleader since Pete Carroll was there. Even then, I didn't like Mike Williams, John David Booty or a ton of others over the years.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 8:39:48 AM

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Okay, I guess it went over your head.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 8:41:05 AM

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Okay, I guess it went over your head.

I guess so. Or maybe you don't have a future in comedy.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 8:45:11 AM

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Injured for his Bowl game, injured in the combine.

Kwesi definitely has a type…

I was ok with Cine last year because the Vikings had a slow, aging defense. The line on Cine was that he was big, fast, smart and hit like a freight train. I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt and see how it played out.

Last night, the Vikings had much greater needs and good talent on the board to fill those needs and Kwesi drafted a slot receiver. I hope he turns out to be a great receiver. The Vikings flat out need an infusion of young talent and maybe he can at least provide that.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 8:53:40 AM

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I don’t know. We were’nt the only ones that didn’t value Levis or Hooker in the first rd. Or Porter.

As much as one of those guys would have addressed a critical need … I will step back to see how day 2 is addressed.

IMO packaging Hunter or Zad to get into the 2nd rd hurts the defense or at least offsets whoever we draft. I suppose it helps our cap depending on the terms of a deal.

I cant imagine getting anything for dinged up Cook beyond a mid-rd if that. But if it were me, I’d pull from the offense to add defense.

Pulling from the defense to add defense doesnt make sense.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:00:26 AM

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I don’t know. We were’nt the only ones that didn’t value Levis or Hooker in the first rd. Or Porter.

As much as one of those guys would have addressed a critical need … I will step back to see how day 2 is addressed.

IMO packaging Hunter or Zad to get into the 2nd rd hurts the defense or at least offsets whoever we draft. I suppose it helps our cap depending on the terms of a deal.

I cant imagine getting anything for dinged up Cook beyond a mid-rd if that. But if it were me, I’d pull from the offense to add defense.

Pulling from the defense to add defense doesnt make sense.

My guess is that any trade into the second will involve trading future pick(s).

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:05:57 AM

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I don’t know. We were’nt the only ones that didn’t value Levis or Hooker in the first rd. Or Porter.

As much as one of those guys would have addressed a critical need … I will step back to see how day 2 is addressed.

IMO packaging Hunter or Zad to get into the 2nd rd hurts the defense or at least offsets whoever we draft. I suppose it helps our cap depending on the terms of a deal.

I cant imagine getting anything for dinged up Cook beyond a mid-rd if that. But if it were me, I’d pull from the offense to add defense.

Pulling from the defense to add defense doesnt make sense.

You have to get a nice return to move Hunter. You don't move him just to move him.

Cook and Z. Hopefully use them to move up. I don't think you get much stand alone value from them. Maybe something like Cook & 87 for (Miami)#51.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:08:58 AM

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As frustrated as I feel, the one thing I absolutely don’t want to do is use 2024 draft picks for any reason at this point. Lesson learned.

The opposite. If I’m unable to trade a player / pick this year to move into the 2nd … if we settle for 4 measly picks, I’m writing this draft off and trading out of the 3rd and 4th for slightly better picks next year.

A better cap situation, a decent draft haul, maybe no Cousins though I doubt it … a new unexplored situation!

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:10:03 AM

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Addison: Looks like we wanted to trade down. Couldn't find any takers and then took BPA.

CBs Rock Ya Sin and Shaquill Griffin are still available. They are still in their prime if we make some cap room.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:10:56 AM

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It is really interesting how "disappointed" people are about not getting the QBOTF last night...

we just weren't in position for Young or Stroud, who are really the only ones worth trading up for

It is clear that we didn't have the trade capital to move up to #2 for Stroud (glad we dodged the Richardson trap)...

It was pretty clear that they were trying to see if they could trade down from 23, taking it to the last second...

it's just a fact of where we are in the draft this year

I get being down on offense over defense there, but Addison is a really decent pick

You have to be pretty bad for a year to have a shot at a top QB candidate. Most people don't want to be that bad.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:14:11 AM

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I don’t know. We were’nt the only ones that didn’t value Levis or Hooker in the first rd. Or Porter.

As much as one of those guys would have addressed a critical need … I will step back to see how day 2 is addressed.

IMO packaging Hunter or Zad to get into the 2nd rd hurts the defense or at least offsets whoever we draft. I suppose it helps our cap depending on the terms of a deal.

I cant imagine getting anything for dinged up Cook beyond a mid-rd if that. But if it were me, I’d pull from the offense to add defense.

Pulling from the defense to add defense doesnt make sense.

You have to get a nice return to move Hunter. You don't move him just to move him.

Cook and Z. Hopefully use them to move up. I don't think you get much stand alone value from them. Maybe something like Cook & 87 for (Miami)#51.

Yes ofcourse you dont move Hunter just to move him. Didn’t say that.

Zad? If he’s angling to get out … I absolutly would … but I don’t know that he is.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:15:59 AM

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Realistically on Cook. We might just end up cutting him.

High salary. Other talented veteran RBs on the chopping block. Cheap talented rookies that can be drafted.

If you cut Cook and make cap room for CB Griffin(Jags), that is a win.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:18:06 AM 1 votes

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I don’t know. We were’nt the only ones that didn’t value Levis or Hooker in the first rd. Or Porter.

As much as one of those guys would have addressed a critical need … I will step back to see how day 2 is addressed.

IMO packaging Hunter or Zad to get into the 2nd rd hurts the defense or at least offsets whoever we draft. I suppose it helps our cap depending on the terms of a deal.

I cant imagine getting anything for dinged up Cook beyond a mid-rd if that. But if it were me, I’d pull from the offense to add defense.

Pulling from the defense to add defense doesnt make sense.

You have to get a nice return to move Hunter. You don't move him just to move him.

Cook and Z. Hopefully use them to move up. I don't think you get much stand alone value from them. Maybe something like Cook & 87 for (Miami)#51.

Yes ofcourse you dont move Hunter just to move him. Didn’t say that.

Zad? If he’s angling to get out … I absolutly would … but I don’t know that he is.

I wasn't trying to correct you. Just adding to the conversation.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:21:19 AM

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Seems Addison's best trait is route running and separation. From what little video I've seen, he is on another level in terms of using a variety of techniques to get open... much like Jefferson. I think he will kill it underneath, and that will help mask the poor IOL pass blocking. We still don't have anyone to take the top off the D though.

Would have liked Porter at 23, but he hasn't been drafted yet so IDK. Read that scouts consider him soft and there is a certain something missing. Nolan Smith, Banks, and another CB or two would have been preferred as well. But it is what it is.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:26:21 AM

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Seems Addison's best trait is route running and separation. From what little video I've seen, he is on another level in terms of using a variety of techniques to get open... much like Jefferson. I think he will kill it underneath, and that will help mask the poor IOL pass blocking. We still don't have anyone to take the top off the D though.

Would have liked Porter at 23, but he hasn't been drafted yet so IDK. Read that scouts consider him soft and there is a certain something missing. Nolan Smith, Banks, and another CB or two would have been preferred as well. But it is what it is.

Cornerback position is deep this year. But, a lot can get taken before #87.

Don't forget Nailor as a deep threat. McCardell likes him.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:27:52 AM

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The Vikings aren't getting anything for Dalvin Cook. He's an aging running back. It's a position that is a dime a dozen. Should the Vikings get anything north of a sixth rounder for his talents it should be viewed as winning the lottery.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:29:47 AM

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Yeah the chances of getting anything for Cook or anyone else are dropping with each pick. Teams who pick say a RB in day 1 or 2 have to be thinking they filled their need. And why take on Cook's huge cap hit.

Maybe we can get a 5th for Cook.

Edit - I see it's been covered.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:45:03 AM

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I slept on it and in the fresh light of morning, I'm still underwhelmed with this pick. With all of the glaring needs the Vikings have, they opted to draft their #3 WR. I'm sure some will proclaim him as the #2, but I'm skeptical that he will come in and leapfrog over KJ. I know that there is some sentiment that the receiver pool drops off drastically after Addison, but I would have been fine with not drafting a receiver at all this year.

The kid's interview did nothing to make me feel any better about it. He came off as a smug arrogant dick, who immediately started talking about getting paid.

Corner was a glaring need and Joey Porter Jr slid right into our laps. Big,fast, physical modern corner.

There were both DT and edge rushers who could have provided immediate help.

QBOF is another glaring need as we are probably heading into our final year of Cousins. Levis and Hooker were there. In fact they could have traded back and gotten one of them.

The good news is that some slid through to the second round. Hopefully KAM can find a way into the second and get one.

Often Divas are the best WRs.

Wow, I'm surprised they don't test for it at the combine.

Probably do. Just hasn't leaked yet.

I think TJSweens has a defensible position, no WR in the draft, if you're happy with Reagor as WR3. And pretty much any WR later in the draft will only be WR5 competition, based on the impression that the position really thins out fast this year.

I'm slightly more confident with the CB roster, with Murphy/Evans/Booth. But it completely depends on whether Booth can rehab into a less injury prone body, and I have no way to judge right now. But at least later in this draft you can get solid CB3/CB4 prospects. Supposedly a very, very deep year at CB.

No clue at LB, and I have no idea what else Flores wants on defense.

And for what draft sims can tell me, I also saw a lot of Center prospects, many big enough to play guard. Seemed like a deep position group in the sims, and so I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up a decent C/G prospect. And the draft sims left me with boatloads of RB prospects in the later rounds; so if they trade Cook, they should be able to get a decent RB3 prospect.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 9:49:40 AM

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I really like the pick. Addison is very Percy Harvin type and I can see him being used like that. Forget the combine run. If you see his tape he is fast and extremely quick. Can change gears and directions on a dime.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 10:02:45 AM

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I really like the pick. Addison is very Percy Harvin type and I can see him being used like that. Forget the combine run. If you see his tape he is fast and extremely quick. Can change gears and directions on a dime.

He also uses that drag step or whatever it is that Jefferson deploys.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 10:03:53 AM

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CB in the 3rd! There is a CB from Syracuse that tore his ACL in October. He's a lock at #87.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 10:23:13 AM

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Great draft last night, and it makes a lot of sense if you look at it from Kwesi and KOC's point of view.

Love the Addison pick. In 2021 he was the Biletnikoff Award as the nation's top receiver and first-team all PAC 12 last year, yet some posters think he's "slow" because he runs in the 4.4's and not 4.3's and is a #3 at best? Funny stuff. The kid is an elite route runner, he's going to get bigger and stronger in the NFL, and with JJ on the other side of the field he's going to produce. The kid is a huge upgrade over Thielen from last year. FWIW, Pete Prisco thinks he's the best receiver in this draft class, and Steve Smith says he has the highest ceiling of any WR in the draft.

Not sure why folks are upset that the Vikings didn't pick Levis or Hooker at 23. Yes, the Vikings need a QBOTF, but you don't pick a guy simply because he's available. You pick him because you believe in their ability to help your team. After the first 3 QB's were off the board, every QB needy team passed on these guys. Obviously, nobody in the NFL believes strongly enough in either player to risk a first rounder on them. If Hooker falls to the 3rd then maybe the Vikes grab him.

The draft is deep at CB. The Vikings drafted a CB in the 2nd round last year in Booth, and added Byron Murphy in FA. Makes perfect sense why KOC and Kwesi added a WR over CB in the first round.

I anticipate that they'll focus the rest of the draft on defense, specifically LB, CB, DT, although a RB might sneak in if they think the value is there.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 10:27:47 AM 1 votes

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Great draft last night, and it makes a lot of sense if you look at it from Kwesi and KOC's point of view.

Love the Addison pick. In 2021 he was the Biletnikoff Award as the nation's top receiver and first-team all PAC 12 last year, yet some posters think he's "slow" because he runs in the 4.4's and not 4.3's and is a #3 at best? Funny stuff. The kid is an elite route runner, he's going to get bigger and stronger in the NFL, and with JJ on the other side of the field he's going to produce. The kid is a huge upgrade over Thielen from last year. FWIW, Pete Prisco thinks he's the best receiver in this draft class, and Steve Smith says he has the highest ceiling of any WR in the draft.

Not sure why folks are upset that the Vikings didn't pick Levis or Hooker at 23. Yes, the Vikings need a QBOTF, but you don't pick a guy simply because he's available. You pick him because you believe in their ability to help your team. After the first 3 QB's were off the board, every QB needy team passed on these guys. Obviously, nobody in the NFL believes strongly enough in either player to risk a first rounder on them. If Hooker falls to the 3rd then maybe the Vikes grab him.

The draft is deep at CB. The Vikings drafted a CB in the 2nd round last year in Booth, and added Byron Murphy in FA. Makes perfect sense why KOC and Kwesi added a WR over CB in the first round.

I anticipate that they'll focus the rest of the draft on defense, specifically LB, CB, DT, although a RB might sneak in if they think the value is there.

Fundamentally, does the organization want a guy that helps win games, or a guy that sells jerseys? We desperately need defense if we are going to win anything important. As I see it, every pick should have been a defensive pick, with perhaps a Dorian Thompson-Robinson (or something like that) sprinkled in along the way.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 11:03:33 AM

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Great draft last night, and it makes a lot of sense if you look at it from Kwesi and KOC's point of view.

Love the Addison pick. In 2021 he was the Biletnikoff Award as the nation's top receiver and first-team all PAC 12 last year, yet some posters think he's "slow" because he runs in the 4.4's and not 4.3's and is a #3 at best? Funny stuff. The kid is an elite route runner, he's going to get bigger and stronger in the NFL, and with JJ on the other side of the field he's going to produce. The kid is a huge upgrade over Thielen from last year. FWIW, Pete Prisco thinks he's the best receiver in this draft class, and Steve Smith says he has the highest ceiling of any WR in the draft.

Not sure why folks are upset that the Vikings didn't pick Levis or Hooker at 23. Yes, the Vikings need a QBOTF, but you don't pick a guy simply because he's available. You pick him because you believe in their ability to help your team. After the first 3 QB's were off the board, every QB needy team passed on these guys. Obviously, nobody in the NFL believes strongly enough in either player to risk a first rounder on them. If Hooker falls to the 3rd then maybe the Vikes grab him.

The draft is deep at CB. The Vikings drafted a CB in the 2nd round last year in Booth, and added Byron Murphy in FA. Makes perfect sense why KOC and Kwesi added a WR over CB in the first round.

I anticipate that they'll focus the rest of the draft on defense, specifically LB, CB, DT, although a RB might sneak in if they think the value is there.

Fundamentally, does the organization want a guy that helps win games, or a guy that sells jerseys? We desperately need defense if we are going to win anything important. As I see it, every pick should have been a defensive pick, with perhaps a Dorian Thompson-Robinson (or something like that) sprinkled in along the way.

You could argue that they won games last year because of the offense.. certainly not the defense.

I think Addison will have a bigger impact than any single defender would have had on this bad defense... 1 good cb isn't going to turn the defense around himself.
It needs lots of help that probably isn't coming all this year

So in the prism of only seeing the 1st round... I'm ok with a WR that could take the offense to elite level.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/28/2023 11:12:27 AM

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I was hoping after the top 3 QB's were gone that we'd trade back and get a pick or 2 for next years draft.

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