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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2023 6:02:11 PM

Ricky J

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Are you ok?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2023 6:09:56 PM

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HA.... after reading that I'm not sure! But very happy we basically won a few Super Bowls.

I have some other versions like one where some pudgy kid named Stram is booted out from under the wooden stadium stands and says "I'll show you... ALL of you." Or one where Joe Greene (for this thread, Joe Green) got the nickname Mean Joe for a heroes deed and always wanted to live up to it.

And really that 41-0 loss to the Giants would have changed if not for.... (still working on that one).

But instead, I'm off to rationalize a few more Lakers championships.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2023 6:38:24 PM

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HA....

And really that 41-0 loss to the Giants would have changed if not for.... (still working on that one)

It's Randy's fault

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2023 7:19:53 PM

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Unusual for me to say, but I like the Vikings' chances at GB.

Flores defense seems to give any QB with less than 2 years experience trouble, especially at crunchttime.

Need the game to boil down to Love in the 4th quarter, he has been mistake prone. Hopefully Aaron Jones is still limited in carries.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2023 8:39:27 PM

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HA....

And really that 41-0 loss to the Giants would have changed if not for.... (still working on that one)

It's Randy's fault

Was going to reply but 16 people have been mowed down in Maine by someone with a high capacity rifle. Can only surmise about the 50-60 injured.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2023 8:52:22 PM

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HA....

And really that 41-0 loss to the Giants would have changed if not for.... (still working on that one)

It's Randy's fault

Was going to reply but 16 people have been mowed down in Maine by someone with a high capacity rifle. Can only surmise about the 50-60 injured.

Oh my! Such a sad world at times.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2023 10:00:28 PM

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HA....

And really that 41-0 loss to the Giants would have changed if not for.... (still working on that one)

It's Randy's fault

Was going to reply but 16 people have been mowed down in Maine by someone with a high capacity rifle. Can only surmise about the 50-60 injured.

Life is much better when you escape from watching the news all the time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2023 10:09:01 PM

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HA....

And really that 41-0 loss to the Giants would have changed if not for.... (still working on that one)

It's Randy's fault

Was going to reply but 16 people have been mowed down in Maine by someone with a high capacity rifle. Can only surmise about the 50-60 injured.

Life is much better when you escape from watching the news all the time.

I don't watch news "all the time", but thanks anyway Deepak.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2023 10:13:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

HA....

And really that 41-0 loss to the Giants would have changed if not for.... (still working on that one)

It's Randy's fault

Was going to reply but 16 people have been mowed down in Maine by someone with a high capacity rifle. Can only surmise about the 50-60 injured.

Life is much better when you escape from watching the news all the time.

I don't watch news "all the time", but thanks anyway Deepak.

Ok buddy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 8:14:41 AM

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Just to strengthen what's been said about the improved OLine. NFL Live broke down how they shut Bosa out and it was not just good play, it was a really good strategy (according to them).

Really important point and shows growth on the offensive coaching. By chipping with a tight end on the right side they created two three blocker to two defender zones. Very cleaver and effective. However, it requires Darrisaw and Ingram to block one on one. Both were able to do this effectively. Can they keep it up? Hopefully so.

I have to admit that Ingram has really stepped up his game. I don't know what PFF and other overrated analytics sites say, but he is looking pretty solid on the eye test right now. I couldn't help noticing how much better the screen game looked with Cleveland out of the lineup. Lately I've noticed the receiver getting blown up, right after the recetion, by someone who blew by Cleveland.

Noticed that about Cleveland as well. He always looks late getting out there.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 8:25:46 AM

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Just to strengthen what's been said about the improved OLine. NFL Live broke down how they shut Bosa out and it was not just good play, it was a really good strategy (according to them).

Really important point and shows growth on the offensive coaching. By chipping with a tight end on the right side they created two three blocker to two defender zones. Very cleaver and effective. However, it requires Darrisaw and Ingram to block one on one. Both were able to do this effectively. Can they keep it up? Hopefully so.

I have to admit that Ingram has really stepped up his game. I don't know what PFF and other overrated analytics sites say, but he is looking pretty solid on the eye test right now. I couldn't help noticing how much better the screen game looked with Cleveland out of the lineup. Lately I've noticed the receiver getting blown up, right after the recetion, by someone who blew by Cleveland.

Noticed that about Cleveland as well. He always looks late getting out there.

Yep, Cleveland is way too slow for guard. He has looked relatively good compared to the likes of Elflein, Badbury, Ingram the rookie, etc. but he's still below average.

Hope he is done here as a starter, and when he hits FA this offseason another team signs him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 8:39:38 AM

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A concussion could help explain Purdy's two picks in the last five minutes of the game:

Shanahan and the Niners were unsure when in the game Purdy suffered the injury, but Shanahan said there were no obvious signs when communicating with Purdy or in his performance. Purdy didn't take many hits, but he did attempt a pair of quarterback sneaks midway through the fourth quarter, and Shanahan acknowledged those plays might have been when it happened.

Video replay of the first of those attempts, which came on a third-and-1 with 7:03 left in the game, shows Purdy attempting to run behind left guard Aaron Banks to pick up the first down as Minnesota linebacker Jordan Hicks runs into the pile and makes helmet-to-helmet contact with Purdy.

After that sneak attempt, Purdy went 2-of-5 (not including a spike to stop the clock) for 20 yards with two interceptions to finish the game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 9:08:26 AM

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A concussion could help explain Purdy's two picks in the last five minutes of the game:

Shanahan and the Niners were unsure when in the game Purdy suffered the injury, but Shanahan said there were no obvious signs when communicating with Purdy or in his performance. Purdy didn't take many hits, but he did attempt a pair of quarterback sneaks midway through the fourth quarter, and Shanahan acknowledged those plays might have been when it happened.

Video replay of the first of those attempts, which came on a third-and-1 with 7:03 left in the game, shows Purdy attempting to run behind left guard Aaron Banks to pick up the first down as Minnesota linebacker Jordan Hicks runs into the pile and makes helmet-to-helmet contact with Purdy.

After that sneak attempt, Purdy went 2-of-5 (not including a spike to stop the clock) for 20 yards with two interceptions to finish the game.

Or, he's a young QB that just made some stupid throws when the heat was on and the pressure of the situation was up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 9:17:28 AM

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A concussion could help explain Purdy's two picks in the last five minutes of the game:

Shanahan and the Niners were unsure when in the game Purdy suffered the injury, but Shanahan said there were no obvious signs when communicating with Purdy or in his performance. Purdy didn't take many hits, but he did attempt a pair of quarterback sneaks midway through the fourth quarter, and Shanahan acknowledged those plays might have been when it happened.

Video replay of the first of those attempts, which came on a third-and-1 with 7:03 left in the game, shows Purdy attempting to run behind left guard Aaron Banks to pick up the first down as Minnesota linebacker Jordan Hicks runs into the pile and makes helmet-to-helmet contact with Purdy.

After that sneak attempt, Purdy went 2-of-5 (not including a spike to stop the clock) for 20 yards with two interceptions to finish the game.

Or, he's a young QB that just made some stupid throws when the heat was on and the pressure of the situation was up.

Which was the prevailing thought until news of the concussion broke.

Maybe you missed it, but I posted/referred to an ESPN article that came out after the game questioning whether SF is built to play in a close game, and wondered if Fred Warner's comments about not knowing whether the team could handle playing from behind was a veiled shot at Purdy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 10:59:05 AM

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A concussion could help explain Purdy's two picks in the last five minutes of the game:

Shanahan and the Niners were unsure when in the game Purdy suffered the injury, but Shanahan said there were no obvious signs when communicating with Purdy or in his performance. Purdy didn't take many hits, but he did attempt a pair of quarterback sneaks midway through the fourth quarter, and Shanahan acknowledged those plays might have been when it happened.

Video replay of the first of those attempts, which came on a third-and-1 with 7:03 left in the game, shows Purdy attempting to run behind left guard Aaron Banks to pick up the first down as Minnesota linebacker Jordan Hicks runs into the pile and makes helmet-to-helmet contact with Purdy.

After that sneak attempt, Purdy went 2-of-5 (not including a spike to stop the clock) for 20 yards with two interceptions to finish the game.

Or, he's a young QB that just made some stupid throws when the heat was on and the pressure of the situation was up.

Which was the prevailing thought until news of the concussion broke.

Maybe you missed it, but I posted/referred to an ESPN article that came out after the game questioning whether SF is built to play in a close game, and wondered if Fred Warner's comments about not knowing whether the team could handle playing from behind was a veiled shot at Purdy.

This is kind of a doom and gloom day.

This is about the last thing I wanted to hear about the game. Should we have doubt now? It's hard not to acknowledge but still that doesn't take away from the positives about last Monday. Bottom line: gotta come away with a W at GB -- sheesh, an L there, after this win, would be about as big a buzz kill as you could draw up for the season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 11:34:23 AM 1 votes

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A concussion could help explain Purdy's two picks in the last five minutes of the game:

Shanahan and the Niners were unsure when in the game Purdy suffered the injury, but Shanahan said there were no obvious signs when communicating with Purdy or in his performance. Purdy didn't take many hits, but he did attempt a pair of quarterback sneaks midway through the fourth quarter, and Shanahan acknowledged those plays might have been when it happened.

Video replay of the first of those attempts, which came on a third-and-1 with 7:03 left in the game, shows Purdy attempting to run behind left guard Aaron Banks to pick up the first down as Minnesota linebacker Jordan Hicks runs into the pile and makes helmet-to-helmet contact with Purdy.

After that sneak attempt, Purdy went 2-of-5 (not including a spike to stop the clock) for 20 yards with two interceptions to finish the game.

Or, he's a young QB that just made some stupid throws when the heat was on and the pressure of the situation was up.

Which was the prevailing thought until news of the concussion broke.

Maybe you missed it, but I posted/referred to an ESPN article that came out after the game questioning whether SF is built to play in a close game, and wondered if Fred Warner's comments about not knowing whether the team could handle playing from behind was a veiled shot at Purdy.

This is kind of a doom and gloom day.

This is about the last thing I wanted to hear about the game. Should we have doubt now? It's hard not to acknowledge but still that doesn't take away from the positives about last Monday. Bottom line: gotta come away with a W at GB -- sheesh, an L there, after this win, would be about as big a buzz kill as you could draw up for the season.

Maybe affected Purdy's play on some level, sounds more like it affected his plane ride home more than anything.

It doesn't mean SF would have pulled it out with no concussion involved. Winning at GB makes it a distant memory.

Some wins feel more legitimate than others ... we deserved that win.

Its just a shame that it taints the defensive effort ... nothing about this franchise is 'shiny and chrome'.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 11:49:16 AM

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Some wins feel more legitimate than others ... we deserved that win.

100%. We outplayed them bigtime. I try to be objective as possible and have been brandished a hater because I can be hard on this team. If we had been getting drummed by teams you could say this win was a bit fluky. We have been in every game and only have a losing record because of dumb TO's. We have hung with what are said to be the elite of this league. I expect us to keep it rolling and clobber GB in their place.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 11:53:26 AM

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Just the timing of it makes me wonder. The article said Purdy wasn't getting hit, then talked about a helmet to helmet hit with 7 something minutes left. After that, he throws two picks. One was a totally bad pass. It remains to be seen how Purdy handles pressure (assuming no effects of the concussion), but his last two outings are in the 'not good' category.

All in all though, it was a great game and except for Joseph and goal-to-go plays all phases played great and inspired. Felt like SF was not going to escape with a win, although it was tight at the end.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 12:02:58 PM

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If Monday night is any indicator, we should dominate GB. No coming out flat after a big win. No excuses about the refs. Just a beatdown.

Unfortunately, Monday night was just 1/7th of the season so who knows.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 12:05:14 PM

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edit: didn't like that last post -- back to editing

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Kirk Cousins sent a text to Brandon Powell following Monday nights victory. The text said:

“The player you were on Monday night is the player I see you being. You separate versus man. You make plays after the catch.”

hmmm: If he sent texts to Addison and KJ as well wonder what they'd say ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 1:06:00 PM

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Just the timing of it makes me wonder. The article said Purdy wasn't getting hit, then talked about a helmet to helmet hit with 7 something minutes left. After that, he throws two picks. One was a totally bad pass. It remains to be seen how Purdy handles pressure (assuming no effects of the concussion), but his last two outings are in the 'not good' category.

All in all though, it was a great game and except for Joseph and goal-to-go plays all phases played great and inspired. Felt like SF was not going to escape with a win, although it was tight at the end.

Even if we made progress on the other fronts ... and I'm not saying we have yet ... the goal-to-go plays are huge.

Especially for a team that likes to play close games.

Not even likes ... not even a hunger in the loins ... we are married to it (games being close). Whichever Viking team shows up that weekend, however good or bad the opponent ... we need to be stingy giving away points on offense as well.

The good news is the run game in general may be close to turning a corner ... now that we figured out that Mattison is better as a compliment.

Hopefully, along with improvement in the run game, the attitude required to punch it in will follow.

(And as long as we stop trying to mash KC over the goal line like Jalen Hurts)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 1:12:10 PM

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edit: didn't like that last post -- back to editing

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Kirk Cousins sent a text to Brandon Powell following Monday nights victory. The text said:

“The player you were on Monday night is the player I see you being. You separate versus man. You make plays after the catch.”

hmmm: If he sent texts to Addison and KJ as well wonder what they'd say ...

'Hey KJ - FYI I sent this to our Powell, 'The player you were on Monday night is the player I see you being. You separate versus man. You make plays after the catch. Unlike some of the other dudes not named Jefferson or Addison.'

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 3:33:49 PM

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How much to resign Daniel Hunter now?

Vikings are not that good yet it sounds like they have no cap space.

no idea how other teams do it that seem loaded with talent everywhere. I guess that's why you have to draft well.

Looking down the road, there is no way the Vikings can pay Jefferson and Addison (if he continues to look as good as he does currently). Maybe you trade one at some point.

If the Vikings have a mental "let down" against the Packers that tells me the players are mentally weak. It's not like that have a gaudy record and are coasting at the top of the division.

Why are you worried about Addison at this point? He's on his rookie deal for 5 years, if you pick up the option.

Viking are going to win too many games for a top draft pick, going to need to trade assets to move up.

If the Vikings are not going to use Kwesi's supreme intelligence and think outside the box I hope Kirk is willing to take $20 million a year. What other teams would pay Kirk more than that next season?

If Kirk takes this team to a deep playoff run or God forbid a Super Bowl championship then sure extend him. Other than that, there's no reason to extend him. To date, he's failed to win anything significant for this team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 3:40:18 PM

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How much to resign Daniel Hunter now?

Vikings are not that good yet it sounds like they have no cap space.

no idea how other teams do it that seem loaded with talent everywhere. I guess that's why you have to draft well.

Looking down the road, there is no way the Vikings can pay Jefferson and Addison (if he continues to look as good as he does currently). Maybe you trade one at some point.

If the Vikings have a mental "let down" against the Packers that tells me the players are mentally weak. It's not like that have a gaudy record and are coasting at the top of the division.

Why are you worried about Addison at this point? He's on his rookie deal for 5 years, if you pick up the option.

Viking are going to win too many games for a top draft pick, going to need to trade assets to move up.

If the Vikings are not going to use Kwesi's supreme intelligence and think outside the box I hope Kirk is willing to take $20 million a year. What other teams would pay Kirk more than that next season?

If Kirk takes this team to a deep playoff run or God forbid a Super Bowl championship then sure extend him. Other than that, there's no reason to extend him. To date, he's failed to win anything significant for this team.

Whatever he does; if he wants too much you have to let him go.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2023 3:43:21 PM

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The way I see it, it doesn't matter whether I'm holding out hope for a playoff run or hoping for a high draft pick. There is no way any NFL player is going to "tank" any game for a future draft pick. They're all playing for their own future on this team or another NFL team. I wouldn't respect nor want a player on our team that didn't give everything they have to win regardless of the team's record.

I think we as fans think about future draft picks, etc., but that thought doesn't enter into the minds of the men actually playing the games. Why should it? Why would they give less than their best so that some future draft pick takes their spot on the roster?

So, the season will play out. Maybe the team goes on a run, maybe they suck the rest of the season. But, whatever "I hope" happens doesn't matter as it's all in the hands of the coaches and the players.

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