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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 11:33:32 AM

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 11:38:57 AM

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If we want a good RB trade Hock for Taylor. Situation solved.

Umm nope....don't need the drama for a 15 million dollar RB with a bad ankle.
Indy wouldn't do the trade; wanted Waddle from Miami in exchange. TJ wouldn't be enough.

Apparently the Packers tried to trade for Taylor. (nfl.com)

Not interested in seeing that. Unless they get robbed to do it. maybe even then.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 11:44:05 AM

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There always seemed to be something slightly off about Reagor. He made some plays here or there, but some screw ups too. Could you really count of him?

That's why I was very relieved when we drafted a good receiver in round 1. I was astounded by those screaming for defense how they could not see WR as the desperate #1 need. You had JJ. Then what? KJ is just okay, Reagor is flaky. Anyone else is question mark at best. That's really what you wanted for a 3 receiver set? One star who will get all the attention, one serviceable guy, one flake and zero depth?

Yeah we got Hockenson too, and yes I know they'll go two TE sometimes, but to me an enhanced TE is great but that doesn't replace the need for WRs.

If the Vikings want to open the passing game up more with Cook gone, Addison was a vital pick. A lot is depending on him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 11:45:55 AM

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I like Duke, but I don't see him back.

He's a pure zone guy and not a good fit for our new defense.

He was super fun last year - but had a bit of a "Case Keenam" season as he got picked on a lot but made a disproportionate number of positive plays.

He stunk for the Raiders this preseason.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 11:47:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

There always seemed to be something slightly off about Reagor. He made some plays here or there, but some screw ups too. Could you really count of him?

That's why I was very relieved when we drafted a good receiver in round 1. I was astounded by those screaming for defense how they could not see WR as the desperate #1 need. You had JJ. Then what? KJ is just okay, Reagor is flaky. Anyone else is question mark at best. That's really what you wanted for a 3 receiver set? One star who will get all the attention, one serviceable guy, one flake and zero depth?

Yeah we got Hockenson too, and yes I know they'll go two TE sometimes, but to me an enhanced TE is great but that doesn't replace the need for WRs.

If the Vikings want to open the passing game up more with Cook gone, Addison was a vital pick. A lot is depending on him.

Reagor has a ton of physical ability, but dude absolutely kills you at the worst times. A costly fumble, or running the wrong route - or just giving up on his route.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 11:50:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

There always seemed to be something slightly off about Reagor. He made some plays here or there, but some screw ups too. Could you really count of him?

That's why I was very relieved when we drafted a good receiver in round 1. I was astounded by those screaming for defense how they could not see WR as the desperate #1 need. You had JJ. Then what? KJ is just okay, Reagor is flaky. Anyone else is question mark at best. That's really what you wanted for a 3 receiver set? One star who will get all the attention, one serviceable guy, one flake and zero depth?

Yeah we got Hockenson too, and yes I know they'll go two TE sometimes, but to me an enhanced TE is great but that doesn't replace the need for WRs.

If the Vikings want to open the passing game up more with Cook gone, Addison was a vital pick. A lot is depending on him.

There's an argument for WR but desperate #1 need ain't it.

Not if you are weighing the offense against the defense or IOL against WR ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 11:54:01 AM

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KGBum upset about a depth signing at RB, but proposes a trade we lose a very good TE in a trade to get a super expensive RB... which when combined with Mattison's salary would make us #1 in RB expenditures. Pick up on line 1, 1967 is calling.

Agree with Phil that Gaskin is likely a bridge type, either to cover for injury or possible pursuit of another RB. It makes sense they would take a known quantity in such a scenario. Miami certainly threw to him a lot. Could be an ok change of pace or gimmick player.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 12:00:59 PM

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I like Duke, but I don't see him back.

He's a pure zone guy and not a good fit for our new defense.

He was super fun last year - but had a bit of a "Case Keenam" season as he got picked on a lot but made a disproportionate number of positive plays.

He stunk for the Raiders this preseason.

Hard to argue

Different scheme, and likely burned a couple bridges, pretty unlikely return

There are a couple other CBs that are interesting

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 12:03:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

There always seemed to be something slightly off about Reagor. He made some plays here or there, but some screw ups too. Could you really count of him?

That's why I was very relieved when we drafted a good receiver in round 1. I was astounded by those screaming for defense how they could not see WR as the desperate #1 need. You had JJ. Then what? KJ is just okay, Reagor is flaky. Anyone else is question mark at best. That's really what you wanted for a 3 receiver set? One star who will get all the attention, one serviceable guy, one flake and zero depth?

Yeah we got Hockenson too, and yes I know they'll go two TE sometimes, but to me an enhanced TE is great but that doesn't replace the need for WRs.

If the Vikings want to open the passing game up more with Cook gone, Addison was a vital pick. A lot is depending on him.

There's an argument for WR but desperate #1 need ain't it.

Not if you are weighing the offense against the defense or IOL against WR ...

Okay, what's your receiver set look like without Addison? Start flagging down people on 494 to play?

After QB WR has become the next most important position in football.

Yeah I know the defense was full of holes last year. Fine. But they went 13-4 with it. They did make a pickup or two, and most importantly they got a new coordinator who should be better at putting people in positions to succeed.

If the defense can even move up a few slots, while still maintaining a top notch, talented, innovative passing game, that's good for me.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 12:23:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

There always seemed to be something slightly off about Reagor. He made some plays here or there, but some screw ups too. Could you really count of him?

That's why I was very relieved when we drafted a good receiver in round 1. I was astounded by those screaming for defense how they could not see WR as the desperate #1 need. You had JJ. Then what? KJ is just okay, Reagor is flaky. Anyone else is question mark at best. That's really what you wanted for a 3 receiver set? One star who will get all the attention, one serviceable guy, one flake and zero depth?

Yeah we got Hockenson too, and yes I know they'll go two TE sometimes, but to me an enhanced TE is great but that doesn't replace the need for WRs.

If the Vikings want to open the passing game up more with Cook gone, Addison was a vital pick. A lot is depending on him.

There's an argument for WR but desperate #1 need ain't it.

Not if you are weighing the offense against the defense or IOL against WR ...

Okay, what's your receiver set look like without Addison? Start flagging down people on 494 to play?

After QB WR has become the next most important position in football.

Yeah I know the defense was full of holes last year. Fine. But they went 13-4 with it. They did make a pickup or two, and most importantly they got a new coordinator who should be better at putting people in positions to succeed.

If the defense can even move up a few slots, while still maintaining a top notch, talented, innovative passing game, that's good for me.

IMO Osborn will improve on Thielen last year. He already did if you compare the number of targets. Not studly but solid better than ok #2-#3 wr.

AND wr is one of the deepest positions on the team with or without Addison. JJ and Osborn tower over any other two starters at any position ... does OT even have an argument? Not with JJ weighing in.

But you are making me argue against myself. I like Addison (on the field, not so much off it) ... WR is certainly a big need. I just don't think it was head and shoulders above other even weaker links on the team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 12:32:13 PM

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I'm over the top about how bad Gaskins is. I'm just disappointed if that's the best signing or trade Kwesi can come up with.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 12:34:36 PM

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If we want a good RB trade Hock for Taylor. Situation solved.

Umm nope....don't need the drama for a 15 million dollar RB with a bad ankle.
Indy wouldn't do the trade; wanted Waddle from Miami in exchange. TJ wouldn't be enough.

Apparently the Packers tried to trade for Taylor. (nfl.com)

Not interested in seeing that. Unless they get robbed to do it. maybe even then.

That is very strange. The Packers have two quite good RBs last time I checked.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 12:36:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

There always seemed to be something slightly off about Reagor. He made some plays here or there, but some screw ups too. Could you really count of him?

That's why I was very relieved when we drafted a good receiver in round 1. I was astounded by those screaming for defense how they could not see WR as the desperate #1 need. You had JJ. Then what? KJ is just okay, Reagor is flaky. Anyone else is question mark at best. That's really what you wanted for a 3 receiver set? One star who will get all the attention, one serviceable guy, one flake and zero depth?

Yeah we got Hockenson too, and yes I know they'll go two TE sometimes, but to me an enhanced TE is great but that doesn't replace the need for WRs.

If the Vikings want to open the passing game up more with Cook gone, Addison was a vital pick. A lot is depending on him.

I think the only question with Addison is can he stay healthy. If he does IMO stardom is certain. However, a Stud defender would have been a very good way to go as well. Or a Stud guard.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 12:50:16 PM

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Lots of teams are interested in RB's. Until they hear from their agent how much they think they are worth.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 1:11:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

There always seemed to be something slightly off about Reagor. He made some plays here or there, but some screw ups too. Could you really count of him?

That's why I was very relieved when we drafted a good receiver in round 1. I was astounded by those screaming for defense how they could not see WR as the desperate #1 need. You had JJ. Then what? KJ is just okay, Reagor is flaky. Anyone else is question mark at best. That's really what you wanted for a 3 receiver set? One star who will get all the attention, one serviceable guy, one flake and zero depth?

Yeah we got Hockenson too, and yes I know they'll go two TE sometimes, but to me an enhanced TE is great but that doesn't replace the need for WRs.

If the Vikings want to open the passing game up more with Cook gone, Addison was a vital pick. A lot is depending on him.

There's an argument for WR but desperate #1 need ain't it.

Not if you are weighing the offense against the defense or IOL against WR ...

Okay, what's your receiver set look like without Addison? Start flagging down people on 494 to play?

After QB WR has become the next most important position in football.

Yeah I know the defense was full of holes last year. Fine. But they went 13-4 with it. They did make a pickup or two, and most importantly they got a new coordinator who should be better at putting people in positions to succeed.

If the defense can even move up a few slots, while still maintaining a top notch, talented, innovative passing game, that's good for me.

Agree in that w/o additional talent at WR, the team would not have a single strong area. Opponents double JJ and with just Obsorn, Hope, and Prayer it is game over as they smother the WRs and stack the box.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 1:22:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

There always seemed to be something slightly off about Reagor. He made some plays here or there, but some screw ups too. Could you really count of him?

That's why I was very relieved when we drafted a good receiver in round 1. I was astounded by those screaming for defense how they could not see WR as the desperate #1 need. You had JJ. Then what? KJ is just okay, Reagor is flaky. Anyone else is question mark at best. That's really what you wanted for a 3 receiver set? One star who will get all the attention, one serviceable guy, one flake and zero depth?

Yeah we got Hockenson too, and yes I know they'll go two TE sometimes, but to me an enhanced TE is great but that doesn't replace the need for WRs.

If the Vikings want to open the passing game up more with Cook gone, Addison was a vital pick. A lot is depending on him.

There's an argument for WR but desperate #1 need ain't it.

Not if you are weighing the offense against the defense or IOL against WR ...

Okay, what's your receiver set look like without Addison? Start flagging down people on 494 to play?

After QB WR has become the next most important position in football.

Yeah I know the defense was full of holes last year. Fine. But they went 13-4 with it. They did make a pickup or two, and most importantly they got a new coordinator who should be better at putting people in positions to succeed.

If the defense can even move up a few slots, while still maintaining a top notch, talented, innovative passing game, that's good for me.

IMO Osborn will improve on Thielen last year. He already did if you compare the number of targets. Not studly but solid better than ok #2-#3 wr.

AND wr is one of the deepest positions on the team with or without Addison. JJ and Osborn tower over any other two starters at any position ... does OT even have an argument? Not with JJ weighing in.

But you are making me argue against myself. I like Addison (on the field, not so much off it) ... WR is certainly a big need. I just don't think it was head and shoulders above other even weaker links on the team.

The WR corps w/o Addison was not deep, it was skewed top-heavy with just JJ. The problem is w/o a solid #2 WR, JJ gets taken out of the game. He has a lot of yards and some timely superhuman catches, but isn't a Moss.

If pre-draft you compared the two OTs and the top three WRs, it was Darrisaw and O'Neill by a mile.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 1:36:37 PM

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I'm over the top about how bad Gaskins is. I'm just disappointed if that's the best signing or trade Kwesi can come up with.

I hate to tell you; you should be more worried about Oline, LB, CB, and just life in general but don't fret over Gaskin.....3rd RB is like the 4th QB.

We will cut him probably week 5 if not earlier or promote McBride from the PS before long.

The 2 RB we cut earlier can be picked up later and play the same week. Gaskin is barely a clipboard holder in the RB room right now. Ham is basically the third RB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 1:38:39 PM

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Marrsett was not horrible, is/was fast, Kirk just didn’t trust him and wouldn’t look his way…

JJ, kj, IMS, HOck, and Reagor, and Nailor and Muse, Mundt, all of them, in any combination, were enough targets for captain checkdown..

If your golden plated QB can’t move or stay upright with enough time to go sloth like through his reads, all pro receivers at every position, are worthless.

Wr in the first round with the 31 st ranked defense the season prior, was not the way a lot of us would have gone, defense and the eternal need for more Darrisaw caliber OL.. was where our focus should remain till Cousins is gonzo.
JMO.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 1:44:55 PM

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Marrsett was not horrible, is/was fast, Kirk just didn’t trust him and wouldn’t look his way…

JJ, kj, IMS, HOck, and Reagor, and Nailor and Muse, Mundt, all of them, in any combination, were enough targets for captain checkdown..

If your golden plated QB can’t move or stay upright with enough time to go sloth like through his reads, all pro receivers at every position, are worthless.

Wr in the first round with the 31 st ranked defense the season prior, was not the way a lot of us would have gone, defense and the eternal need for more Darrisaw caliber OL.. was where our focus should remain till Cousins is gonzo.
JMO.

Depends on what the DC can do with the defense.....if he can get it to average to above average caliber (w/o that first round pick) then we are in a good place.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 1:52:03 PM

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Just read we sign David Blueberry T cut by the Bills.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 1:55:33 PM

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I have no idea what to expect of the defense.

They were awful last year. Flores should be a massive upgrade, but we weren't particularly talented last year and we lost some of our better (or at least proven) players.

I love Flores, but he was never more than the Safety or LB coach in his 15 years at NE. Then he was a HC for 3 years and then a defensive assistant last year.

So Miami is really the only place where its been HIS defense.

2019: 32nd in Points, 30th in Yards.
2020: 6th in Points, 20th in Yards.
2021: 16th in Points, 15th in Yards.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 1:59:58 PM

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Just read we sign David Blueberry T cut by the Bills.

Top of this page; Ricky J posted Bill

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 2:01:14 PM

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I have no idea what to expect of the defense.

They were awful last year. Flores should be a massive upgrade, but we weren't particularly talented last year and we lost some of our better (or at least proven) players.

I love Flores, but he was never more than the Safety or LB coach in his 15 years at NE. Then he was a HC for 3 years and then a defensive assistant last year.

So Miami is really the only place where its been HIS defense.

2019: 32nd in Points, 30th in Yards.
2020: 6th in Points, 20th in Yards.
2021: 16th in Points, 15th in Yards.

What I remember is that in 2019 they basically sold off everything like Houston did in 2020.....
If he can get us to somewhere around those 2020-21 stats....

Trades
March 18, 2019: Traded Ryan Tannehill and 2019 6th round pick (188th overall, David Long) to Titans for 2019 7th round pick (233rd overall, Chandler Cox) and 2020 4th round pick (135th overall subsequently traded , Kevin Dotson)
March 29, 2019: Traded Robert Quinn to Cowboys for 2020 6th round pick (197th overall subsequently traded , John Penisini)
April 26, 2019: Traded 2019 2nd round pick (48th overall, Erik McCoy) and 2019 4th round pick (116th overall subsequently traded , Amani Hooker) to Saints for 2019 2nd round pick (62nd overall subsequently traded , Andy Isabella), 2019 6th round pick (202nd overall, Isaiah Prince) and 2020 2nd round pick (56th overall, Raekwon Davis)
April 26, 2019: Traded 2019 2nd round pick (62nd overall, Andy Isabella) and 2020 5th round pick (153rd overall subsequently traded , Colton McKivitz) to Cardinals for Josh Rosen
August 30, 2019: Traded 2020 7th round pick (219th overall subsequently traded , Geno Stone) to Vikings for Danny Isidora
August 31, 2019: Traded 2020 6th round pick (197th overall subsequently traded , John Penisini) to Colts for Evan Boehm and 2020 7th round pick (227th overall subsequently traded , Lachavious Simmons)
September 1, 2019: Traded Laremy Tunsil, Kenny Stills, 2020 4th round pick (111th overall subsequently traded , Solomon Kindley) and 2021 6th round pick (202nd overall subsequently traded , Chris Evans) to Texans for Johnson Bademosi, Julie'n Davenport, 2020 1st round pick (26th overall subsequently traded , Jordan Love), 2021 1st round pick (3rd overall subsequently traded , Trey Lance) and 2021 2nd round pick (36th overall, Jevon Holland)
September 2, 2019: Traded Kiko Alonso to Saints for Vince Biegel
September 16, 2019: Traded Minkah Fitzpatrick, 2020 4th round pick (135th overall, Kevin Dotson) and 2021 7th round pick (245th overall, Tre Norwood) to Steelers for 2020 1st round pick (18th overall, Austin Jackson), 2020 5th round pick (154th overall, Jason Strowbridge) and 2021 6th round pick (207th overall subsequently traded , Jonathan Marshall)
October 28, 2019: Traded Kenyan Drake to Cardinals for 2020 5th round pick (153rd overall subsequently traded , Colton McKivitz)
October 29, 2019: Traded 2022 7th round pick (238th overall subsequently traded , Thayer Munford) to Rams for Aqib Talib and 2020 5th round pick (173rd overall subsequently traded , Darnell Mooney)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 2:02:16 PM

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The comparo was WR vs OT, which was an offshoot about WR being a big need.

Last playoff game against a ho-hum defense playing on the road, the WRs had 12 catches for 117 yards and that is with Thielen chipping in 50 yards before his tank ran totally dry. One TD.

You can add in TEs helping, dreams about Marsette, and even the second coming of Ted Brown as a pass catcher all helping out, but two WRs do not cut it unless your QB is on the caliber of Brady or Mahomes. And I don't consider Reagor and Nailor anything but #4/fringe street urchin types. Mundt and Muse? Laughable. Muse has never caught an NFL pass. Mundt's ypc average for his 19 receptions ended up being BELOW his Kleinsasser-esque 8.0 career average.

Were there other big needs? Sure.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/30/2023 2:03:20 PM

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Just read we sign David Blueberry T cut by the Bills.

Along with the previously reported Quissenberry?

Edit - Ah, you made a funny.

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