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Any team that traded for Taylor or even pays him big bucks deserves to suck!

or?

More like AND.

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If there was any doubt Muse would have been poached consider this breaking news from Adam Schefter.

Packers claimed TE Ben Sims on waivers from the Vikings,

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So Hall and Aho don't count against the standing 53 roster but do on game day if they are activated?

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Adeniji was a sixth-round pick in the 2020 draft out of Kansas and was thrown to the deep end of the pool as a rookie, playing 165 snaps at left tackle that year, according to PFF. In 2021, he played all 555 of his snaps at right guard and performed poorly. Last year, he played 156 snaps at right tackle and did not look good there either.

https://stripehype.com/posts/3-recent-bengals-draft-picks-who-got-cut-01h8ykjb1cwh

Conjures up memories of Elflein. He's perfect for the Vikings!

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Adeniji was a sixth-round pick in the 2020 draft out of Kansas and was thrown to the deep end of the pool as a rookie, playing 165 snaps at left tackle that year, according to PFF. In 2021, he played all 555 of his snaps at right guard and performed poorly. Last year, he played 156 snaps at right tackle and did not look good there either.

https://stripehype.com/posts/3-recent-bengals-draft-picks-who-got-cut-01h8ykjb1cwh

Conjures up memories of Elflein. He's perfect for the Vikings!

So true!

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+1 On Bill's Reply

You stick a #1 or #2 corner on KJ and he isn't as effective. Against NYG JJ did more double teamed than Thielen and KJ which is why they drafted Addison.

You can't forget JJ....KJ isn't a true #2. As soon as Thielen slowed down the last 2 years it became obvious.

Burrow has Chase, Higgins, and Boyd.
Allen "" Diggs, Davis
Tua "" Waddle, Hill
Mahomes "" Smith Schuster, MVS and drafted Moore and traded for Toney
Herbert has Allen, Williams, Palmer and now drafted Johnson
Hurts has Smith and traded for Brown
Lamar OBJ, Flowers, and the Bateman
Geno Smith Metcalf, Lockett and they drafted another in the 2nd

You want a good offense; get an actual #2 WR--some drafted a third. Those are the top teams also.

That's a great post and a great point but imo you should have left Mahomes off that list. He has Kelce and a pile of nobody. Mahomes is so damn good he can win with very few weapons.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

+1 On Bill's Reply

You stick a #1 or #2 corner on KJ and he isn't as effective. Against NYG JJ did more double teamed than Thielen and KJ which is why they drafted Addison.

You can't forget JJ....KJ isn't a true #2. As soon as Thielen slowed down the last 2 years it became obvious.

Burrow has Chase, Higgins, and Boyd.
Allen "" Diggs, Davis
Tua "" Waddle, Hill
Mahomes "" Smith Schuster, MVS and drafted Moore and traded for Toney
Herbert has Allen, Williams, Palmer and now drafted Johnson
Hurts has Smith and traded for Brown
Lamar OBJ, Flowers, and the Bateman
Geno Smith Metcalf, Lockett and they drafted another in the 2nd

You want a good offense; get an actual #2 WR--some drafted a third. Those are the top teams also.

That's a great post and a great point but imo you should have left Mahomes off that list. He has Kelce and a pile of nobody. Mahomes is so damn good he can win with very few weapons.

Smith Schuster, MVS, and Toney are all better than KJ. The 2022 collection wasn't a collection of nobodies.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

+1 On Bill's Reply

You stick a #1 or #2 corner on KJ and he isn't as effective. Against NYG JJ did more double teamed than Thielen and KJ which is why they drafted Addison.

You can't forget JJ....KJ isn't a true #2. As soon as Thielen slowed down the last 2 years it became obvious.

Burrow has Chase, Higgins, and Boyd.
Allen "" Diggs, Davis
Tua "" Waddle, Hill
Mahomes "" Smith Schuster, MVS and drafted Moore and traded for Toney
Herbert has Allen, Williams, Palmer and now drafted Johnson
Hurts has Smith and traded for Brown
Lamar OBJ, Flowers, and the Bateman
Geno Smith Metcalf, Lockett and they drafted another in the 2nd

You want a good offense; get an actual #2 WR--some drafted a third. Those are the top teams also.

That's a great post and a great point but imo you should have left Mahomes off that list. He has Kelce and a pile of nobody. Mahomes is so damn good he can win with very few weapons.

Smith Schuster, MVS, and Toney are all better than KJ. The 2022 collection wasn't a collection of nobodies.

Give Mahomes Osborn and he'd make Osborn look like a stud.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

+1 On Bill's Reply

You stick a #1 or #2 corner on KJ and he isn't as effective. Against NYG JJ did more double teamed than Thielen and KJ which is why they drafted Addison.

You can't forget JJ....KJ isn't a true #2. As soon as Thielen slowed down the last 2 years it became obvious.

Burrow has Chase, Higgins, and Boyd.
Allen "" Diggs, Davis
Tua "" Waddle, Hill
Mahomes "" Smith Schuster, MVS and drafted Moore and traded for Toney
Herbert has Allen, Williams, Palmer and now drafted Johnson
Hurts has Smith and traded for Brown
Lamar OBJ, Flowers, and the Bateman
Geno Smith Metcalf, Lockett and they drafted another in the 2nd

You want a good offense; get an actual #2 WR--some drafted a third. Those are the top teams also.

That's a great post and a great point but imo you should have left Mahomes off that list. He has Kelce and a pile of nobody. Mahomes is so damn good he can win with very few weapons.

Smith Schuster, MVS, and Toney are all better than KJ. The 2022 collection wasn't a collection of nobodies.

Give Mahomes Osborn and he'd make Osborn look like a stud.

osborn is tough, knows how to get open, and likes his yac - with addison and nailor we're the best four-deep team in the NFL....

everyone if focused on oliver, but o'connell is going to quickly learn that addison on cb#3 and nailor on cb#4 in '01 personnel' is golden....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

+1 On Bill's Reply

You stick a #1 or #2 corner on KJ and he isn't as effective. Against NYG JJ did more double teamed than Thielen and KJ which is why they drafted Addison.

You can't forget JJ....KJ isn't a true #2. As soon as Thielen slowed down the last 2 years it became obvious.

Burrow has Chase, Higgins, and Boyd.
Allen "" Diggs, Davis
Tua "" Waddle, Hill
Mahomes "" Smith Schuster, MVS and drafted Moore and traded for Toney
Herbert has Allen, Williams, Palmer and now drafted Johnson
Hurts has Smith and traded for Brown
Lamar OBJ, Flowers, and the Bateman
Geno Smith Metcalf, Lockett and they drafted another in the 2nd

You want a good offense; get an actual #2 WR--some drafted a third. Those are the top teams also.

That's a great post and a great point but imo you should have left Mahomes off that list. He has Kelce and a pile of nobody. Mahomes is so damn good he can win with very few weapons.

Smith Schuster, MVS, and Toney are all better than KJ. The 2022 collection wasn't a collection of nobodies.

Give Mahomes Osborn and he'd make Osborn look like a stud.

osborn is tough, knows how to get open, and likes his yac - with addison and nailor we're the best four-deep team in the NFL....

everyone if focused on oliver, but o'connell is going to quickly learn that addison on cb#3 and nailor on cb#4 in '01 personnel' is golden....

It isn't hate on Osborn; he just isn't a chain mover like JJ, TJ, and now Addison.

Nick Olson
@NickOlsonNFL
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Kirk Cousins' EPA/play for the first 8 weeks last year was .054. After the Hockenson trade, it doubled to .10.

The #Vikings offense went from the 15th-best EPA/dropback to 10th-best.

Hard to overstate the value of a pro bowl secondary option after Justin Jefferson.
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

+1 On Bill's Reply

You stick a #1 or #2 corner on KJ and he isn't as effective. Against NYG JJ did more double teamed than Thielen and KJ which is why they drafted Addison.

You can't forget JJ....KJ isn't a true #2. As soon as Thielen slowed down the last 2 years it became obvious.

Burrow has Chase, Higgins, and Boyd.
Allen "" Diggs, Davis
Tua "" Waddle, Hill
Mahomes "" Smith Schuster, MVS and drafted Moore and traded for Toney
Herbert has Allen, Williams, Palmer and now drafted Johnson
Hurts has Smith and traded for Brown
Lamar OBJ, Flowers, and the Bateman
Geno Smith Metcalf, Lockett and they drafted another in the 2nd

You want a good offense; get an actual #2 WR--some drafted a third. Those are the top teams also.

That's a great post and a great point but imo you should have left Mahomes off that list. He has Kelce and a pile of nobody. Mahomes is so damn good he can win with very few weapons.

Smith Schuster, MVS, and Toney are all better than KJ. The 2022 collection wasn't a collection of nobodies.

Give Mahomes Osborn and he'd make Osborn look like a stud.

osborn is tough, knows how to get open, and likes his yac - we're the best four-deepwith addison and nailor team in the NFL....

everyone if focused on oliver, but o'connell is going to quickly learn that addison on cb#3 and nailor on cb#4 in '01 personnel' is golden....

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Ben Goessling
@BenGoessling
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Kwesi Adofo-Mensah said the #Vikings have agreed to terms with T.J. Hockenson on a contract extension.

-- bet the aches and pains suddenly got better ;)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

+1 On Bill's Reply

You stick a #1 or #2 corner on KJ and he isn't as effective. Against NYG JJ did more double teamed than Thielen and KJ which is why they drafted Addison.

You can't forget JJ....KJ isn't a true #2. As soon as Thielen slowed down the last 2 years it became obvious.

Burrow has Chase, Higgins, and Boyd.
Allen "" Diggs, Davis
Tua "" Waddle, Hill
Mahomes "" Smith Schuster, MVS and drafted Moore and traded for Toney
Herbert has Allen, Williams, Palmer and now drafted Johnson
Hurts has Smith and traded for Brown
Lamar OBJ, Flowers, and the Bateman
Geno Smith Metcalf, Lockett and they drafted another in the 2nd

You want a good offense; get an actual #2 WR--some drafted a third. Those are the top teams also.

That's a great post and a great point but imo you should have left Mahomes off that list. He has Kelce and a pile of nobody. Mahomes is so damn good he can win with very few weapons.

Smith Schuster, MVS, and Toney are all better than KJ. The 2022 collection wasn't a collection of nobodies.

Give Mahomes Osborn and he'd make Osborn look like a stud.

osborn is tough, knows how to get open, and likes his yac - with addison and nailor we're the best four-deep team in the NFL....

everyone if focused on oliver, but o'connell is going to quickly learn that addison on cb#3 and nailor on cb#4 in '01 personnel' is golden....

It isn't hate on Osborn; he just isn't a chain mover like JJ, TJ, and now Addison.

Nick Olson
@NickOlsonNFL
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16m
Kirk Cousins' EPA/play for the first 8 weeks last year was .054. After the Hockenson trade, it doubled to .10.

The #Vikings offense went from the 15th-best EPA/dropback to 10th-best.

Hard to overstate the value of a pro bowl secondary option after Justin Jefferson.
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I didn’t say it was hate.

Addison is not a pro bowl second option yet for godsakes.

Hockensen’s effect on Cousin’s EPA has so many variables, not the least of which is improvement at TE above all else. Neither here nor there.

I’m looking forward to the season. I hope both Addison and Osborn ball out.

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TJ signs an extension...no numbers out yet.

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Ben Goessling
@BenGoessling
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Kwesi Adofo-Mensah said the #Vikings have agreed to terms with T.J. Hockenson on a contract extension.

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SKOR North
@SKORNorth
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PAY-DAY: #Vikings TE T.J. Hockenson is now the highest-paid tight end in the NFL, signing a four-year $68.5 million contract extension with $42.5 million guaranteed. #SKOL

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

SKOR North
@SKORNorth
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PAY-DAY: #Vikings TE T.J. Hockenson is now the highest-paid tight end in the NFL, signing a four-year $68.5 million contract extension with $42.5 million guaranteed. #SKOL

HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. Anything over 13 is too much. How can we afford to sign the other players we need to sign now. This one makes me sick.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

SKOR North
@SKORNorth
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PAY-DAY: #Vikings TE T.J. Hockenson is now the highest-paid tight end in the NFL, signing a four-year $68.5 million contract extension with $42.5 million guaranteed. #SKOL

HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. Anything over 13 is too much. How can we afford to sign the other players we need to sign now. This one makes me sick.

Maybe if we weren't paying so much to a mediocre qb.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Ben Goessling
@BenGoessling
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Kwesi Adofo-Mensah said the #Vikings have agreed to terms with T.J. Hockenson on a contract extension.

-- bet the aches and pains suddenly got better ;)

I hate hearing that. I was hoping we would trade him. Or is this prior to trading him?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Everything seems a go. Not sure when JJ will get done. But other than that - outside of injury replacement - we seem to be pretty set.

Big tweaks seem to be Flores on D and Mattison / Oliver / run game refocus on O.

O’Connel in year 2 vs the bounce of the ball in year one will be one critical factor.

I read somewhere we stand # 4 or 5 in least change in starters from last year. With a much more difficult schedule in theory.

I expect us to be better, definitely. Just not sure how much.

Its going to be another up and down wild ride, I think.