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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

The only “ smart things” queazy and KOC, have done so far, that have tangible, concrete results, on the next season, is move on from KFC, and DHunter.

The players the signed so far in FA are just “ on paper” improvements that have no effect in the upcoming season, and only address cap issues.

Those moves are unproven, either way, and won’t have any “ fruition “ until the games are in the books.

Personally, I’m Happy just to be rid of Cousins.

Eating the dead cap of KFC, and hopefully restricting HSmith, or eating his cap hit, and the ridiculous money we will be paying Davenport for nothing, hurts the bottom line, but might set the next couple of seasons up for further improvement and more cap freedom,.

Until the formulation of the FA contracts, JJ contract, Darrisaw contract and any other deals are set in stone on signed paper, the future of the cap issue is still cloudy.

I despised Guaranteed Contracts.. because no player can Guarantee his performance or freedom from career ending or season ending injury.

The debate on “improved or not” is pointless.

We won’t have any idea until we see how KOC and BFlo can adapt to the roster changes, that they were/are given/chose to make.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong.

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.

So you think they had a bad first week? Like I said with the circumstances involving Kirk and Hunter.....KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park. Checkers versus chess, cmon. You know you were surprised how aggressive they were early....it really is ok to admit it. You and Bill together in your chats know it.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong.

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.

So you think they had a bad first week? Like I said with the circumstances involving Kirk and Hunter.....KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park. Checkers versus chess, cmon. You know you were surprised how aggressive they were early....it really is ok to admit it. You and Bill together in your chats know it.

Totally not what he said, but keep pushing those checkers around.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong.

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.

So you think they had a bad first week? Like I said with the circumstances involving Kirk and Hunter.....KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park. Checkers versus chess, cmon. You know you were surprised how aggressive they were early....it really is ok to admit it. You and Bill together in your chats know it.

Totally not what he said, but keep pushing those checkers around.

Do you not understand the jest?
He accused me of wanting 7-10 records and only he and Bill know how to get there....Checkers? You too?

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong.

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.

So you think they had a bad first week? Like I said with the circumstances involving Kirk and Hunter.....KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park. Checkers versus chess, cmon. You know you were surprised how aggressive they were early....it really is ok to admit it. You and Bill together in your chats know it.

Totally not what he said, but keep pushing those checkers around.

Do you not understand the jest?
He accused me of wanting 7-10 records and only he and Bill know how to get there....Checkers? You too?

Not what we he daid either. He said you proclaim every move the Vikings make as a winner. Pretty much your posting history supports that.

And it wasn't a jest. You were trying to rephrase his argument into something you could mock. Your posting history pretty well supports that too.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I don’t pray for sports teams but feel free to do your own bidding. I would actually pray for you before any sports team.

Even though you have an in with the big guy WRT Kwesi, don't pray for me, ever.

I don’t have any more ins than any one else. I do know that some are praying for you because they think you really need it.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong.

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.

So you think they had a bad first week? Like I said with the circumstances involving Kirk and Hunter.....KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park. Checkers versus chess, cmon. You know you were surprised how aggressive they were early....it really is ok to admit it. You and Bill together in your chats know it.

Totally not what he said, but keep pushing those checkers around.

Do you not understand the jest?
He accused me of wanting 7-10 records and only he and Bill know how to get there....Checkers? You too?

Not what we he daid either. He said you proclaim every move the Vikings make as a winner. Pretty much your posting history supports that.

And it wasn't a jest. You were trying to rephrase his argument into something you could mock. Your posting history pretty well supports that too.

I actually wasn't supportive of the Murphy, Davenport, Tonga, or Hicks moves last year. Hicks especially and I was wrong. I haven't watched any of the 3 play but PFF has them ranked high and I am just posting reviews. Is that a problem?

I was totally for cutting Cook, Thielen, and Kendricks which many weren't ok with also. I am more 50/50 but posting the positive reviews....I am just happy they are being aggressive early.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong.

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.

So you think they had a bad first week? Like I said with the circumstances involving Kirk and Hunter.....KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park. Checkers versus chess, cmon. You know you were surprised how aggressive they were early....it really is ok to admit it. You and Bill together in your chats know it.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong.

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong.

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.

So you think they had a bad first week? Like I said with the circumstances involving Kirk and Hunter.....KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park. Checkers versus chess, cmon. You know you were surprised how aggressive they were early....it really is ok to admit it. You and Bill together in your chats know it.

Totally not what he said, but keep pushing those checkers around.

Do you not understand the jest?
He accused me of wanting 7-10 records and only he and Bill know how to get there....Checkers? You too?

Not what we he daid either. He said you proclaim every move the Vikings make as a winner. Pretty much your posting history supports that.

And it wasn't a jest. You were trying to rephrase his argument into something you could mock. Your posting history pretty well supports that too.

I actually wasn't supportive of the Murphy, Davenport, Tonga, or Hicks moves last year. Hicks especially and I was wrong. I haven't watched any of the 3 play but PFF has them ranked high and I am just posting reviews. Is that a problem?

I was totally for cutting Cook, Thielen, and Kendricks which many weren't ok with also. I am more 50/50 but posting the positive reviews....I am just happy they are being aggressive early.

50/50?

"DT and CB away from a top 5 defense"
"Yes it is competitve because a lot of heavy work was done before the draft and other fazes of FA" (fazes lol)
"Acknowledging the job Kwesi, Flores, and KOC did in FA"
"Kwesi has made a lot of good and very good moves this week"
"KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park"

50/50... says the biggest pro-management homer there is!

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird but understandable how good drafting (JJ, Darrisaw, O'Neill) combined with crappy drafting (most anything from Kwesi) have led to a lopsided roster.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Weird but understandable how good drafting (JJ, Darrisaw, O'Neill) combined with crappy drafting (most anything from Kwesi) have led to a lopsided roster.

There was a lot of bad drafting before Kwesi despite the good ones (JJ, Darrisaw, O'Neill). Anyone remember Kellen Mond?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Weird The two that claimed there wasn’t any cap space to sign FA the first day are changing the subject when they were wrong.

You brought your checkers to the chessboard again.

Nobody said there would not be FAs signed. The conversation was about signing a few shiny toys and the effect of those contracts vs overall roster improvement.

Those conversations started before the NFL bumped everybody up 10M when were at like 26M or whatever. Some of us were penciling in high end FAs + Cousins + JJ etc. Some of us wanted to wait to see what happened with Cousins, openly wondered how JJ and Darrisaw were going to effect the cap, and how all the vacant starter spots / the weak starter spots / the lack of depth across the board were going to be addressed in relation to FA spending.

For you, anything the team does is an unqualified success! 7-10 last year … a big win if you exclude the injuries!

For my money, I have to wait to see how Greenard, Van Ginkel and Cashman play before I anoint the defense as exponentially better than the Hunter, Wonnum and Hicks version.

So you think they had a bad first week? Like I said with the circumstances involving Kirk and Hunter.....KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park. Checkers versus chess, cmon. You know you were surprised how aggressive they were early....it really is ok to admit it. You and Bill together in your chats know it.

Totally not what he said, but keep pushing those checkers around.

Do you not understand the jest?
He accused me of wanting 7-10 records and only he and Bill know how to get there....Checkers? You too?

Not what we he daid either. He said you proclaim every move the Vikings make as a winner. Pretty much your posting history supports that.

And it wasn't a jest. You were trying to rephrase his argument into something you could mock. Your posting history pretty well supports that too.

I actually wasn't supportive of the Murphy, Davenport, Tonga, or Hicks moves last year. Hicks especially and I was wrong. I haven't watched any of the 3 play but PFF has them ranked high and I am just posting reviews. Is that a problem?

I was totally for cutting Cook, Thielen, and Kendricks which many weren't ok with also. I am more 50/50 but posting the positive reviews....I am just happy they are being aggressive early.

50/50?

"DT and CB away from a top 5 defense"
"Yes it is competitve because a lot of heavy work was done before the draft and other fazes of FA" (fazes lol)
"Acknowledging the job Kwesi, Flores, and KOC did in FA"
"Kwesi has made a lot of good and very good moves this week"
"KOC, Kwesi, and Flores knocked it out the park"

50/50... says the biggest pro-management homer there is!

I trust Flores...he did a more with 2 pass rushers last year, no true #1 cb, and Jordan Hicks than I thought he could. He has done the same with NE and Miami on the defensive side. Again a top 10 defense is attainable. If that is checkers so be it.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think it would also have made sense to sign Darnold to 2. Why get nothing for your success on a reclamation project?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

The only “ smart things” queazy and KOC, have done so far, that have tangible, concrete results, on the next season, is move on from KFC, and DHunter.

The players the signed so far in FA are just “ on paper” improvements that have no effect in the upcoming season, and only address cap issues.

Those moves are unproven, either way, and won’t have any “ fruition “ until the games are in the books.

Personally, I’m Happy just to be rid of Cousins.

Eating the dead cap of KFC, and hopefully restricting HSmith, or eating his cap hit, and the ridiculous money we will be paying Davenport for nothing, hurts the bottom line, but might set the next couple of seasons up for further improvement and more cap freedom,.

Until the formulation of the FA contracts, JJ contract, Darrisaw contract and any other deals are set in stone on signed paper, the future of the cap issue is still cloudy.

I despised Guaranteed Contracts.. because no player can Guarantee his performance or freedom from career ending or season ending injury.

The debate on “improved or not” is pointless.

We won’t have any idea until we see how KOC and BFlo can adapt to the roster changes, that they were/are given/chose to make.

So it is ok to be negative on everything even when PFF, the athletic, Skor North, etc. measured the FA signings a certain way?

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
49ers are giving Josh Dobbs a one-year, fully-guaranteed $2.25 million deal that includes another $750K in play-time incentives.

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Its a good place for him. No one is better at adapting to their QBs strengths and weaknesses than Shannahan.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Vikings sign DL Jonah Williams.