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2022. 30th in points allowed. For Phil that is "top half".

What was their record in 2022? Were they tanking or in full rebuild mode?

So Donnatell's defense was "top half".

You'd do good in Russia rewriting history.

You'd do good in Communist China but that is beside the point.

Hicks, Murphy, Evans, Blackmon, and Wonnum all missed parts of the last 6 games. Which 1-2 starters are your referencing for 2023? We haven't even talked about Davenport yet.

Communist China, how original.

They closed the season giving up 27, 30, 33, and 30 points.

And before you blame injuries, they were not as bad as you claim:
Hicks weeks 11, 12, 13, 14
Murphy weeks 15, 16, 17
Wonnum weeks 16, 17

So:
- Week 14, one guy out
- Week 15, one guy out
- Weeks 16 and 17, two guys out

And thank god we have NOT mentioned Davenport... another one of Kwesi busts.

Evans and Blackmon as was Booth so we were down to our third/4th Corner at times.

Would you prefer Socialist China?

Evans was NOT injured in week 14, 15, 16, or 17. Oh, I see Blackmon missed one week. Add that in. Week 17.

Booth?

Did you watch the games? Both missed parts of other games. Blackmon had a shoulder issue and didn't play the second half of game 17 and missed all of 18. Left Evans and Booth as starters and both of them missed games.

Blackmon replaced Murphy in the starting lineup...just another example but continue....you like your agendas even when incorrect.

Oh boy, yeah 1.5 games.

Thank god they STILL managed to finish top half just like in 2022. BTW, the other day you said they were top 7 before injuries then finished top 12. I asked about that and you never did reply. Care to elaborate?

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. We just spent over 120 million in FA. Total rebuild? No cap space?

Like I said, anything can be done when it's paid for in the future.

We didn't re-structure anybody to be able to sign these guys, did we?

Nope. So far no cans have been kicked down the road.

Right. Because the contracts haven't been set.

Who knows, maybe the team will pay for them in a responsible manner.

There is no way they can be active the first day on FA. No way.
Still not in full tank mode. DT and CB away from a top 5 defense

I didn't think so, but for you, again, anything is possible based on the contract structures.

We'll see how the other positions go.

Top 7 until injuries hit and finished top 12 last year.

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Hicks missed 4 games.
Murphy 3 games.
Wonnum 2 games.
Blackmon 2 games.
Davenport 13 games.
Evans 2 games.


That doesn't include the parts or half of games they missed.

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. We just spent over 120 million in FA. Total rebuild? No cap space?

Like I said, anything can be done when it's paid for in the future.

We didn't re-structure anybody to be able to sign these guys, did we?

Nope. So far no cans have been kicked down the road.

Right. Because the contracts haven't been set.

Who knows, maybe the team will pay for them in a responsible manner.

There is no way they can be active the first day on FA. No way.
Still not in full tank mode. DT and CB away from a top 5 defense

I didn't think so, but for you, again, anything is possible based on the contract structures.

We'll see how the other positions go.

Top 7 until injuries hit and finished top 12 last year.

Yes, 2023. Here is the post Phil. How did you get those numbers?

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Tom Pelissero of the NFL Network is reporting that the Vikings are signing defensive lineman Jerry Tillery to a one-year deal worth up to $3.75 million.

Tillery is entering his sixth NFL season. He was a first-round pick (#28 overall) of the Chargers in 2019 and spent his first three and a half seasons with them. He was then waived in November of 2022 and claimed by the Las Vegas Raiders, where he finished the 2022 season and played in 2023 as well. The Raiders released him on Wednesday.

The 6’6”, 295-pound Tillery has appeared in 79 games in his NFL career with 39 starts. He has collected 12.5 sacks during his career along with 147 combined tackles. The hope appears to be that he will be able to provide some pass rush ability up front for the Vikings which is something that they sorely lacked in 2023 despite the blitz-heavy scheme employed by Brian Flores.

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. We just spent over 120 million in FA. Total rebuild? No cap space?

Like I said, anything can be done when it's paid for in the future.

We didn't re-structure anybody to be able to sign these guys, did we?

Nope. So far no cans have been kicked down the road.

Right. Because the contracts haven't been set.

Who knows, maybe the team will pay for them in a responsible manner.

There is no way they can be active the first day on FA. No way.
Still not in full tank mode. DT and CB away from a top 5 defense

I didn't think so, but for you, again, anything is possible based on the contract structures.

We'll see how the other positions go.

Top 7 until injuries hit and finished top 12 last year.

Yes, 2023. Here is the post Phil. How did you get those numbers?

Top 7 with 4-5 weeks left....then Hicks hurt November 12th against NO and Murphy hurt in Cincy game.

Did you watch the team and what happened after Murphy got hurt or not?

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Almost assuredly just 8 players from the pre-Kwesi era will remain on the roster, and that's if they keep Ham and Bradbury! 15%. The math says 85% of the roster will be turned over in two years. QB, gone. Long time star on defense, gone.
Per Phil, no rebuild here. Certainly not a multi-year one.

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So far today we have learned:

1. There is no rebuild even though a likely 85% of the players on the roster are new since 2022.
2. There certainly is no multi-year effort/rebuild.
3. Donnatell's defense was "top half" in 2022.
4. Last year's defense was "top 7" then finished "top 12". This cannot be based on points nor yards allowed but is a carryover point that has been reinforced today.

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Almost assuredly just 8 players from the pre-Kwesi era will remain on the roster, and that's if they keep Ham and Bradbury! 15%. The math says 85% of the roster will be turned over in two years. QB, gone. Long time star on defense, gone.
Per Phil, no rebuild here. Certainly not a multi-year one.

Every team does it (loses FA and signs them)...none call it a rebuild. What is the expectancy of an NFL player? Over 3 years that is the norm.....look at KC, Buffalo, SF, Ravens, etc....the constants are 4-5 players over 3 years. That is the NFL.

You were wrong about the tank and can't accept they can do it w/o tanking.......you have been posting all season and offseason how they can't fill out their roster with their salary cap. How is that philosophy working for you....talk about goal posts a moving.

You know the Kwesi credit card BS that you splattered all over this forum....

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Bill remember the post where Mark and I stated there was plenty of salary cap space to make moves?

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So far today we have learned:

1. There is no rebuild even though a likely 85% of the players on the roster are new since 2022.
2. There certainly is no multi-year effort/rebuild.
3. Donnatell's defense was "top half" in 2022.
4. Last year's defense was "top 7" then finished "top 12". This cannot be based on points nor yards allowed but is a carryover point that has been reinforced today.

Actually all we learned today is that Bill is retracking that "FA's can't be signed with our current salary cap", we can't fill out a competitive roster with our cap, he never said we should tank, and in no shape or form did he ever post about Kwesi using the Credit Card the last 3 months.

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Bill remember the post where Mark and I stated there was plenty of salary cap space to make moves?

And remember I said anything can be done if it's paid for in the future?

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Bill remember the post where Mark and I stated there was plenty of salary cap space to make moves?

And remember I said anything can be done if it's paid for in the future?

They have the most cap room for 2025 right now....so these signings so far haven't added to the future (have they)? So you aren't chanting Kwesi Credit Card then for a while?

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So far today we have learned:

1. There is no rebuild even though a likely 85% of the players on the roster are new since 2022.
2. There certainly is no multi-year effort/rebuild.
3. Donnatell's defense was "top half" in 2022.
4. Last year's defense was "top 7" then finished "top 12". This cannot be based on points nor yards allowed but is a carryover point that has been reinforced today.

Actually all we learned today is that Bill is retracking that "FA's can't be signed with our current salary cap", we can't fill out a competitive roster with our cap, he never said we should tank, and in no shape or form did he ever post about Kwesi using the Credit Card the last 3 months.

Why are you resorting to making shit up?
- As for the cap, the parameters are not yet out Phil.
- Right now the roster is not competitive. Do you think it is? Yes or no Phil.
- Yes we should have tanked for the top pick. See? YES. Tank. Yes.
- The bit about Kwesi and the credit cards makes no sense. I expect he used them a lot.

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And even with that, we do NOT have "the most": https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

Geez o flip. Phil, battered all day, pretty much loses his mind.

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So far today we have learned:

1. There is no rebuild even though a likely 85% of the players on the roster are new since 2022.
2. There certainly is no multi-year effort/rebuild.
3. Donnatell's defense was "top half" in 2022.
4. Last year's defense was "top 7" then finished "top 12". This cannot be based on points nor yards allowed but is a carryover point that has been reinforced today.

Actually all we learned today is that Bill is retracking that "FA's can't be signed with our current salary cap", we can't fill out a competitive roster with our cap, he never said we should tank, and in no shape or form did he ever post about Kwesi using the Credit Card the last 3 months.

Why are you resorting to making shit up?
- As for the cap, the parameters are not yet out Phil.
- Right now the roster is not competitive. Do you think it is? Yes or no Phil.
- Yes we should have tanked for the top pick. See? YES. Tank. Yes.
- The bit about Kwesi and the credit cards makes no sense. I expect he used them a lot.

Yes it is competitve because a lot of heavy work was done before the draft and other fazes of FA. The roster is better than last years outside of QB.

No on the tanking for a pick. You always commented before on Kwesi's Credit Card...you don't remember?

From what I read Flores was a part of NE Front Office also before running the defense so they always used his input when drafting signing players.....so if you can't see what he can do w/o the draft in 23 and 24......