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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/19/2024 8:10:26 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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Draft value charts..

Tool made for suckers who bet on everything..

Was Jared Allen acquired in a draft value chart basis?

What about Randy Moss?

Ron Yary?

Randal McDaniel?

Draft value charts are for idiots..

Yea KGDB..

I’m looking right at you blocked post..

Back to ignore with your fellow traveler account Ewin21.. or whoever CPAMan was..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 2:58:17 AM

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Jordan Schultz@Schultz_Report

Breaking: Free agent CB Shaq Griffin is signing with the #Vikings on a 1-year deal, up to $6M, sources tell @BleacherReport

griffin's pff grade is #52, he's presently our second highest graded cb with blackmon at #32....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 8:27:39 AM

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Sean Borman
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1h
Still waiting on the contact details of:

• Harrison Smith
• Shaq Griffin
• Jonathan Bullard
• Jonah Williams
• Trent Sherfield
• Dan Feeney

#Vikings

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 8:36:08 AM

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There are rumors that Sneed wants to play for Flores (Tennesse offered 4/80 and a 2025 3rd round pick and it was turned down) and also there is talk of another FA CB possibility.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 10:33:44 AM

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Question I keep having is I feel like we are not going to extend Jefferson especially with all the money that we are spending on these new contracts. Should I be this concerned ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 10:38:07 AM

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Question I keep having is I feel like we are not going to extend Jefferson especially with all the money that we are spending on these new contracts. Should I be this concerned ?

Most of these contracts are one year deals. So, No.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 11:25:40 AM

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Question I keep having is I feel like we are not going to extend Jefferson especially with all the money that we are spending on these new contracts. Should I be this concerned ?

Just the game they play....we actually have control for 3 more years of JJ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 11:42:24 AM

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Why do we get 3 yrs? Can you franchise tag 2 times?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 11:44:38 AM

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Why do we get 3 yrs? Can you franchise tag 2 times?

Yes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 12:16:12 PM

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Why do we get 3 yrs? Can you franchise tag 2 times?

Transition and franchise tags

Used separately

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 12:46:29 PM

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Shelter reported that Houston approached Kwesi with the trade offer. Hard to give the guy credit seeing as it fell into his lap.

If they approached him with that offer he should have negotiated better terms. Never take their first offer.

Or if they come to you with a pretty good offer, snatch it up.

We really don't know how this offer came up...and if they did, that KAM didn't negotiate better terms.

I don't think we got a bad deal here.

Nobody does.

I think it's an OK deal. The draft value charts think we left a lot of meat on the bone.

Let’s see how Kwesi plays that ticket….

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 2:04:24 PM

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Spotrac:

Jonathan Greenard's #Vikings Contract
▪️4 years, $76 million
▪️$38M fully guaranteed
▪️1 void year for cap
▪️2 years, $38M practical

Cap Hits
2024: $5.7M
2025: $22.3M
2026: $22.3M
2027: $22.3M
2028: $3.3M (dead)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 2:05:08 PM

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Spotrac:

Aaron Jones' #Vikings Contract
▪️1 year, $7M
▪️Fully Guaranteed
▪️4 void years for cap

Cap Hits
2024: $3.5M
2025: $3.2M (dead)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 2:50:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Spotrac:

Jonathan Greenard's #Vikings Contract
▪️4 years, $76 million
▪️$38M fully guaranteed
▪️1 void year for cap
▪️2 years, $38M practical

Cap Hits
2024: $5.7M
2025: $22.3M
2026: $22.3M
2027: $22.3M
2028: $3.3M (dead)

Looks like we're already dipping into our huge salary cap warchest for next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/20/2024 3:30:52 PM

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2 more Defense signings

DE Jihad Ward
LB Kamu Grugier-Hill

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/21/2024 12:02:05 PM

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Those draft value charts must be pretty smart to know what slot the 2025 second rounder is.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/22/2024 9:13:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Spotrac:

Jonathan Greenard's #Vikings Contract
▪️4 years, $76 million
▪️$38M fully guaranteed
▪️1 void year for cap
▪️2 years, $38M practical

Cap Hits
2024: $5.7M
2025: $22.3M
2026: $22.3M
2027: $22.3M
2028: $3.3M (dead)

Seems like a lot of money for Jonathan Greenard. Maybe I'm missing something.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/22/2024 9:37:18 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Spotrac:

Jonathan Greenard's #Vikings Contract
▪️4 years, $76 million
▪️$38M fully guaranteed
▪️1 void year for cap
▪️2 years, $38M practical

Cap Hits
2024: $5.7M
2025: $22.3M
2026: $22.3M
2027: $22.3M
2028: $3.3M (dead)

Seems like a lot of money for Jonathan Greenard. Maybe I'm missing something.

12.5 sacks (11th in sacks in 2023)
26 years old
big cap bump

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/22/2024 10:00:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Spotrac:

Jonathan Greenard's #Vikings Contract
▪️4 years, $76 million
▪️$38M fully guaranteed
▪️1 void year for cap
▪️2 years, $38M practical

Cap Hits
2024: $5.7M
2025: $22.3M
2026: $22.3M
2027: $22.3M
2028: $3.3M (dead)

Seems like a lot of money for Jonathan Greenard. Maybe I'm missing something.

12.5 sacks (11th in sacks in 2023)
26 years old
big cap bump

Easily his best season. It wreaks of career year, which is when guys capitalize on the system in free agency. Most of them never achieve those numbers again.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/22/2024 10:21:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Spotrac:

Jonathan Greenard's #Vikings Contract
▪️4 years, $76 million
▪️$38M fully guaranteed
▪️1 void year for cap
▪️2 years, $38M practical

Cap Hits
2024: $5.7M
2025: $22.3M
2026: $22.3M
2027: $22.3M
2028: $3.3M (dead)

Seems like a lot of money for Jonathan Greenard. Maybe I'm missing something.

12.5 sacks (11th in sacks in 2023)
26 years old
big cap bump

Easily his best season. It wreaks of career year, which is when guys capitalize on the system in free agency. Most of them never achieve those numbers again.

Please please start an anti-Greenard campaign with your usual grand sweeping ridiculously skewed statements that will ensure a bright professional career.

I'd worry if you liked him.

Easily his best season because he's a young player. In his second year he started 12 games and had 8 sacks so last year was no outlier. In his third year as a pro, he only started 4 because of injury. In his fourth year with 15 games started, 12.5 sacks.

The question is staying healthy, not what he can do when healthy. Which is right where Kwesi likes them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/22/2024 11:46:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Spotrac:

Jonathan Greenard's #Vikings Contract
▪️4 years, $76 million
▪️$38M fully guaranteed
▪️1 void year for cap
▪️2 years, $38M practical

Cap Hits
2024: $5.7M
2025: $22.3M
2026: $22.3M
2027: $22.3M
2028: $3.3M (dead)

Seems like a lot of money for Jonathan Greenard. Maybe I'm missing something.

12.5 sacks (11th in sacks in 2023)
26 years old
big cap bump

Easily his best season. It wreaks of career year, which is when guys capitalize on the system in free agency. Most of them never achieve those numbers again.

I would be hard pressed to come up with a list of double digit sack one hit wonders.
Have you watched the guy play at all?
He is an injury risk, no doubt... then again... so is Hunter.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/22/2024 12:21:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: beo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

Spotrac:

Jonathan Greenard's #Vikings Contract
▪️4 years, $76 million
▪️$38M fully guaranteed
▪️1 void year for cap
▪️2 years, $38M practical

Cap Hits
2024: $5.7M
2025: $22.3M
2026: $22.3M
2027: $22.3M
2028: $3.3M (dead)

Seems like a lot of money for Jonathan Greenard. Maybe I'm missing something.

12.5 sacks (11th in sacks in 2023)
26 years old
big cap bump

Easily his best season. It wreaks of career year, which is when guys capitalize on the system in free agency. Most of them never achieve those numbers again.

I would be hard pressed to come up with a list of double digit sack one hit wonders.
Have you watched the guy play at all?
He is an injury risk, no doubt... then again... so is Hunter.

So is everyone ... it's a brutal game

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2024 9:01:16 PM

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According to Ben Geossling, we are 24M under. Thanks to Smith re-structure and more void years(paging Bill J).

Not sure what we are up to. Not much out there that would make sense for us. Risner?? Connor Williams?? Xavien Howard??

Maybe JJ and Darrisaw extensions.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2024 7:32:03 AM

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According to Ben Geossling, we are 24M under. Thanks to Smith re-structure and more void years(paging Bill J).

Not sure what we are up to. Not much out there that would make sense for us. Risner?? Connor Williams?? Xavien Howard??

Maybe JJ and Darrisaw extensions.

Extensions shouldn't hurt the 2024 cap unless they want to pay or structure it to take effect in 2024?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2024 7:45:43 AM

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Why do we get 3 yrs? Can you franchise tag 2 times?

In todays NFL the franchise tag is mostly used to not let a player leave via FA w/o getting some picks for him.

If JJ isn't ext before TC expect him to be sitting on the sidelines a lot with various make believe injuries. Hock out with an ear infection for 4 weeks is an example.

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