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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/27/2025 7:20:10 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/27/2025 7:31:02 PM  1 votes
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Thielen lead the Panthers in first downs through the air last year with 28 while playing 10 games. 2023 he had 56 first downs, next player had 22.


Thielen was 6th in contested catch rate in 2023. He was 3rd last year.

And Thielen was double covered most of the time in Carolina. He won't have to deal with that kind of coverage here playing with Jefferson and Addison.


Source?

There are no official coverage stats, but it's common defensive strategy to provide additional coverage on a teams best receiver.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 7:41:01 AM  1 votes
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Thielen lead the Panthers in first downs through the air last year with 28 while playing 10 games. 2023 he had 56 first downs, next player had 22.


Thielen was 6th in contested catch rate in 2023. He was 3rd last year.

And Thielen was double covered most of the time in Carolina. He won't have to deal with that kind of coverage here playing with Jefferson and Addison.


Source?

There are no official coverage stats, but it's common defensive strategy to provide additional coverage on a teams best receiver.


So an opinion. I asked because the statement sounded so factual.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 7:54:05 AM   
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I'm a bit surprised nobody claimed G Murphy. Dangerous leaving him exposed but glad we retained him.


For a while I thought Murphy could be insurance so to speak if Turner flopped. In retrospect, after an entire draft, a season on the PS/IR, and being on the waiver wire, there is something teams find unappealing about the 2024 mock draft sensation. That's not to say a team won't look to claim him.

Maybe we can bring back Andre Carter, unless he's going to fulfill his Army obligation.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 8:37:34 AM   
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I'm a bit surprised nobody claimed G Murphy. Dangerous leaving him exposed but glad we retained him.


For a while I thought Murphy could be insurance so to speak if Turner flopped. In retrospect, after an entire draft, a season on the PS/IR, and being on the waiver wire, there is something teams find unappealing about the 2024 mock draft sensation. That's not to say a team won't look to claim him.

Maybe we can bring back Andre Carter, unless he's going to fulfill his Army obligation.

I think it all came down to special teams. Richter and Chambliss must be better in space than Murphy. Probably 80% of KOs will be returned this year with the new rules.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 10:22:29 AM   
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I'm a bit surprised nobody claimed G Murphy. Dangerous leaving him exposed but glad we retained him.


For a while I thought Murphy could be insurance so to speak if Turner flopped. In retrospect, after an entire draft, a season on the PS/IR, and being on the waiver wire, there is something teams find unappealing about the 2024 mock draft sensation. That's not to say a team won't look to claim him.

Maybe we can bring back Andre Carter, unless he's going to fulfill his Army obligation.

I think it all came down to special teams. Richter and Chambliss must be better in space than Murphy. Probably 80% of KOs will be returned this year with the new rules.


Also with how much Flores moves players around; sometimes Van Ginkel and Cashman are lined up as outside rushers and are about the same size.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 3:37:31 PM   
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I'm a bit surprised nobody claimed G Murphy. Dangerous leaving him exposed but glad we retained him.


For a while I thought Murphy could be insurance so to speak if Turner flopped. In retrospect, after an entire draft, a season on the PS/IR, and being on the waiver wire, there is something teams find unappealing about the 2024 mock draft sensation. That's not to say a team won't look to claim him.

Maybe we can bring back Andre Carter, unless he's going to fulfill his Army obligation.

I think it all came down to special teams. Richter and Chambliss must be better in space than Murphy. Probably 80% of KOs will be returned this year with the new rules.

Not sure why Murphy can't play ST's. Is he unwilling? No good at it?

If your good at football I'm not sure why he would suck on ST's.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 3:59:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I'm a bit surprised nobody claimed G Murphy. Dangerous leaving him exposed but glad we retained him.


For a while I thought Murphy could be insurance so to speak if Turner flopped. In retrospect, after an entire draft, a season on the PS/IR, and being on the waiver wire, there is something teams find unappealing about the 2024 mock draft sensation. That's not to say a team won't look to claim him.

Maybe we can bring back Andre Carter, unless he's going to fulfill his Army obligation.

I think it all came down to special teams. Richter and Chambliss must be better in space than Murphy. Probably 80% of KOs will be returned this year with the new rules.

Not sure why Murphy can't play ST's. Is he unwilling? No good at it?

If your good at football I'm not sure why he would suck on ST's.

Asking for a friend


He played only six ST snaps last year. My guess is he isn't good at it or else he would've seen the field more.

Undrafted. Inactive for the 1st 13 weeks due to a knee injury. Was only active for games 14 and 18.

There was very little chance a team was going to claim him and add him to their roster.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 4:31:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Man, so depressing to hear Micah Parsons is being traded to the Packers...

So awful...he is so good...

fingers crossed for an ACL tear

(oops, did I type that out loud? I would never wish an injury on anyone...except a Packer)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 4:43:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was hoping he would go anywhere but in our division, this is the worst possible outcome.

Hopefully, with losing Clark in the middle, now the Vikings can run over the Packers, land Parson on his a$$, dominate them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 5:46:05 PM   
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I was hoping he would go anywhere but in our division, this is the worst possible outcome.

Hopefully, with losing Clark in the middle, now the Vikings can run over the Packers, land Parson on his a$$, dominate them.

Parsons is obviously elite at rushing the passer but he's not very good in coverage or tackling. Definitely can't let him pin his ears back all day.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 5:56:11 PM   
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Micah Parsons signed a 4 year, $188,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including $136,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $47,000,000. In 2025, Parsons will earn a base salary of $21,324,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,324,000.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 6:20:59 PM   
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Holy cow.

Micah Parsons signed a 4 year, $188,000,000 contract with the Green Bay Packers, including $136,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $47,000,000. In 2025, Parsons will earn a base salary of $21,324,000, while carrying a cap hit of $21,324,000.

Fn JJ better be wearing knee braces when we play them.. the packer subs on Reddit, are crowning the puke SB champs, already..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 6:22:00 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 6:57:29 PM   
David Levine


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4 Playoff games: 18 Tackles (8 Solo), 1 Sack, 4 QB Hits, 3 TFL, 0 FF.

9 of his 18 tackles came in his first Playoff game in 2022 (3 Solo, 6 Assisted).
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2025 7:08:25 PM   
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2 first rounders and Clark...

hopefully they'll feel the pain of losing those picks and their pro bowler in the middle

Seems like a very win now move
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2025 7:57:43 AM   
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Steep price for the pack...
2 first rounders and Clark...
hopefully they'll feel the pain of losing those picks and their pro bowler in the middle
Seems like a very win now move



I hate to say this; but the key is Clark is 29. Now the PACK are very young.....Micah is one of the older ones at 26. They were 5th in defense last year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2025 8:31:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don't know if GB has a bunch of key pending FAs the next couple of years, but at a glance Parsons' contract seems quite manageable cap wise. Geez.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2025 9:28:26 AM   
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The Packers were around $30 million under the salary cap before the trade, so they will be able to eat a sizable chuck of the cap obligation with Parsons in 2025. However, at $47 million a year, with a reported $120 million guaranteed, the Packers are going to be walking a tightrope in future years.

Tom Silverstien, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/08/28/what-does-the-micah-parsons-trade-mean-for-the-packers-salary-cap/85875536007/
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2025 9:29:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The downside is one that the Packers saw firsthand. Though I don't think Parsons is some awful liability against the run, he's clearly a much less imposing player there than he is in the passing game. Per the FTN Football Almanac, Parsons ranked 68th among edge rushers in stop rate against the run and 81st in yards per run stop. And his 21.7% run stop win rate ranked 76th among edge defenders with 300 snaps or more last season, although he was 40th by the same metric the prior season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2025 11:11:47 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2025 11:13:00 AM   
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A steady diet of Jordan Mason is on the menu

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2025 12:39:05 PM   
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The Packers made an interesting move, but I'm not ready to crown their asses over it.

Absolutely, no ‘power shift’ in the nfc.

The media is so wound up about Dallas imploding and Jones unhinging further, it has created a lot of the steam.

Parsons is a standout player, no doubt about it, he will make plays.

When he’s not napping on the medical table.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2025 12:44:45 PM   
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The Packers were not a good run defense last year.

A steady diet of Jordan Mason is on the menu

Packers have beefed up their qb pressure

but losing Clark and adding Parsons has taken the sand out of their run pants.

Agree Mason could be big for us this year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2025 12:51:54 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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It seems like our biggest vulnerability.

Maybe we’re waiting until after week one to reduce financial responsibility towards veteran salaries.
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