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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 5:45:46 AM   
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great, we filled our o-line...now, i'd stand pat and go bpa with our last three picks....

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 7:16:05 AM   
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I like the pick of Jackson as our line is complete now and I agree with Steve, take the BPA for the rest of the draft. I would like us to grab RJ Harvey the running back from Central Florida late in the draft. I am also interested in who we grab after the draft, Samuel Jr. ?
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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 7:19:25 AM   
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great, we filled our o-line...now, i'd stand pat and go bpa with our last three picks....


Somehow I doubt that'll happen. Lots of CB in the early part of the second, then very, very sparse until the fourth.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 7:41:44 AM   
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Question is do we give up some 2026 draft capital and join the 2nd rd fray to get a NT?

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 7:59:03 AM   
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Question is do we give up some 2026 draft capital and join the 2nd rd fray to get a NT?

I'd rather not see the Vikings continue to borrow against the future with their draft picks. Typically, you have to give up a higher pick next year than the pick you are trying to get this year. I'm pretty sure next year is a better draft class. I'd rather leave those picks where they are.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:19:25 AM   
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Question is do we give up some 2026 draft capital and join the 2nd rd fray to get a NT?


Here's who remains on the consensus board:

61 Alfred Collins Texas DL1T
101 Deone Walker Kentucky DL1T
105 CJ West Indiana DL1T
114 Jamaree Caldwell Oregon DL1T
155 Ty Hamilton Ohio State DL1T
161 Cam Jackson Florida DL1T
222 Yahya Black Iowa DL1T
225 Nazir Stackhouse Georgia DL1T
240 Jay Toia UCLA DL1T
251 Tim Smith Alabama DL1T
253 Cam Horsley Boston College DL1T
275 Zeek Biggers Georgia Tech DL1T
298 Junior Tafuna Utah DL1T

If they just want a run stuffer, looks like there's no rush. Should be a decent one available at their next pick, or later if they want to delay.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:22:30 AM   
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Or if they don't want a pure NT...

52 Darius Alexander Toledo DL3T
57 T.J. Sanders South Carolina DL3T
88 Omarr Norman-Lott Tennessee DL3T
89 Joshua Farmer Florida State DL3T
118 Jordan Phillips Maryland DL3T
132 Aeneas Peebles Virginia Tech DL3T
137 Vernon Broughton Texas DL3T
149 JJ Pegues Mississippi DL3T
218 Tonka Hemingway South Carolina DL3T
241 Warren Brinson Georgia DL3T
245 Howard Cross III Notre Dame DL3T
265 Jared Harrison-Hunte SMU DL3T
297 Simeon Barrow Jr. Miami (FL) DL3T

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:25:45 AM   
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Liked the pick of the o-lineman. I like the fact that our management recognized we had serious needs on the offensive front during the offseason and has officially addressed it rather than kicking the can down the road.

We've had way too many seasons of best player available nonsense. It's nice to see a logical, calculated approach.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:30:16 AM   
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I was mildly surprised we didn't trade back to add picks in a draft we have only 4 picks...

But then we solidified our Oline's one currenly weak spot.

I also kind of hoped they were thinking into next year with the likely retirement of Harrison Smith and take one of the Ss, but This is a good pick. Going into the draft, other than the QB situation, our teams biggest weakness was LG. and they addressed it here. They have a had a pretty solid plan this offseason. Which leads me to believe the QB situation will be managed post haste after the draft.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:37:01 AM   
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I was mildly surprised we didn't trade back to add picks in a draft we have only 4 picks...

But then we solidified our Oline's one currenly weak spot.

I also kind of hoped they were thinking into next year with the likely retirement of Harrison Smith and take one of the Ss, but This is a good pick. Going into the draft, other than the QB situation, our teams biggest weakness was LG. and they addressed it here. They have a had a pretty solid plan this offseason. Which leads me to believe the QB situation will be managed post haste after the draft.

The quarterback has a chance if the guys up front are good. That kid had zero chance next season if we didn't address the o-line. I know people think I have got something against McCarthy. The reality is, I am hoping for the best for the kid. I just didn't like the pick at the time because of things that are missing from his resume. He came from a running program. Mostly played from ahead. Rarely had to run a meaningful two-minute drill. Always had better athletes than the other team. There was a reason he started out as a late-first, early second round choice. Did I prefer Bo Nix at the time? Yes, I did.

Having said that, the kid now has a chance. The guy last season had no chance from the outset, managed to win 14 games and then had a rough ending (9 sacks). He had no chance of making a run in the playoffs with what they had up front. None. It's easy to say Sam Darnold turned back into Sam Darnold. That's a lazy man's argument. At the end of the day, he played way above what people thought and won 14 games with a horrific offensive line. He was one game from being the top seed in the NFC. There was talk of player-of-the-year, comeback player-of-the-year, you name it. Good on him. I wish him the best of luck in Seattle. He's probably going to need it, because they don't look very good on paper.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 4/25/2025 8:40:35 AM >


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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:39:30 AM   
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Question is do we give up some 2026 draft capital and join the 2nd rd fray to get a NT?

I'd rather not see the Vikings continue to borrow against the future with their draft picks. Typically, you have to give up a higher pick next year than the pick you are trying to get this year. I'm pretty sure next year is a better draft class. I'd rather leave those picks where they are.

Totally agree. We cant keep relying on free agency so heavily and we won’t. Next year has to be an infusion of younger drafted talent on cheaper, more team friendly contracts. Please show some discipline and leave 2026 alone.

We’ve done a good job building up our starting units over the last two years. CB, S and backup QB still need attention … but depth across the board needs to be built up. And we have to slim down our cap from getting over-saturated with fat, short timer contracts.
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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:43:04 AM   
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I’m all for focusing on talent over Spielmans big bowls of pasta thrown against the wall but … chewing up future drafts aint the answer.
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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:44:16 AM  1 votes
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I’m all for focusing on talent over Spielmans big bowls of pasta thrown against the wall but … chewing up future drafts aint the answer.

Spielman took about five years off my life.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:49:30 AM   
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I was mildly surprised we didn't trade back to add picks in a draft we have only 4 picks...

But then we solidified our Oline's one currenly weak spot.

I also kind of hoped they were thinking into next year with the likely retirement of Harrison Smith and take one of the Ss, but This is a good pick. Going into the draft, other than the QB situation, our teams biggest weakness was LG. and they addressed it here. They have a had a pretty solid plan this offseason. Which leads me to believe the QB situation will be managed post haste after the draft.


If the top guards hadn't run out, they would've traded back. But it's easy to see why they didn't: OG depleted fast. Plus Jackson may have to ability to play LT in a pinch, which is pretty valuable because a backup OG is much easier to find and a lot cheaper to pay than a backup LT.

31 Tyler Booker Alabama OG
33 Grey Zabel NDSU OG
36 Donovan Jackson Ohio State OG
63 Marcus Mbow Purdue OG
66 Tate Ratledge Georgia OG
115 Miles Frazier LSU OG
128 Dylan Fairchild Georgia OG
180 Luke Kandra Cincinnati OG
185 Joshua Gray Oregon State OG

Huge drop in talent after Jackson. Two teams had already made serious reaches to fill a need, and OG is probably somewhat undervalued by the draftniks, as NFL teams have recently upped OG a bit.

Hope it works out better than the last time the team reached for IOL in the first (Bradbury).

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:53:52 AM   
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I was mildly surprised we didn't trade back to add picks in a draft we have only 4 picks...

But then we solidified our Oline's one currenly weak spot.

I also kind of hoped they were thinking into next year with the likely retirement of Harrison Smith and take one of the Ss, but This is a good pick. Going into the draft, other than the QB situation, our teams biggest weakness was LG. and they addressed it here. They have a had a pretty solid plan this offseason. Which leads me to believe the QB situation will be managed post haste after the draft.

The quarterback has a chance if the guys up front are good. That kid had zero chance next season if we didn't address the o-line. I know people think I have got something against McCarthy. The reality is, I am hoping for the best for the kid. I just didn't like the pick at the time because of things that are missing from his resume. He came from a running program. Mostly played from ahead. Rarely had to run a meaningful two-minute drill. Always had better athletes than the other team. There was a reason he started out as a late-first, early second round choice. Did I prefer Bo Nix at the time? Yes, I did.

Having said that, the kid now has a chance. The guy last season had no chance from the outset, managed to win 14 games and then had a rough ending (9 sacks). He had no chance of making a run in the playoffs with what they had up front. None. It's easy to say Sam Darnold turned back into Sam Darnold. That's a lazy man's argument. At the end of the day, he played way above what people thought and won 14 games with a horrific offensive line. He was one game from being the top seed in the NFC. There was talk of player-of-the-year, comeback player-of-the-year, you name it. Good on him. I wish him the best of luck in Seattle. He's probably going to need it, because they don't look very good on paper.



Absolutely they are committed to protecting the QB.

Tom Brady, would have had problems those last two games behind our line. Darnold did requit himself well but the Vikings were never going to commit a big contract to him. This was going to be McCarthy's team this year one way or the other. Everything I hear about JJM is he is a football junky. Didn't stay home in recovery was there every day, in every meeting, learning from Darnold, Mullins, Rypien, VR, McCown, KOC etc and is very competitive. Wants to win badly, his history is winning Only 1 loss his whole high school college career and I am excited to see what he will do. I was excited to see what Darnold could do with real recievers. It worked out pretty well, except for the exit from the playoffs.

Darnold's downsides all season were twofold...he'd sometimes lock in on JJ and he would frequently hold on to the ball for too long. Not all the sacks in that wildcard game were on the OLine. There were a couple where he just didn't get rid of the ball and had plenty of time. It's not all on Darnold, but also not all the line. The coaching staff clearly want JJM to succeed as they are committed to protecting him. Live I've been saying for years. OFFENSE STARTS ON THE OLINE.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 8:59:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

I was mildly surprised we didn't trade back to add picks in a draft we have only 4 picks...

But then we solidified our Oline's one currenly weak spot.

I also kind of hoped they were thinking into next year with the likely retirement of Harrison Smith and take one of the Ss, but This is a good pick. Going into the draft, other than the QB situation, our teams biggest weakness was LG. and they addressed it here. They have a had a pretty solid plan this offseason. Which leads me to believe the QB situation will be managed post haste after the draft.

The quarterback has a chance if the guys up front are good. That kid had zero chance next season if we didn't address the o-line. I know people think I have got something against McCarthy. The reality is, I am hoping for the best for the kid. I just didn't like the pick at the time because of things that are missing from his resume. He came from a running program. Mostly played from ahead. Rarely had to run a meaningful two-minute drill. Always had better athletes than the other team. There was a reason he started out as a late-first, early second round choice. Did I prefer Bo Nix at the time? Yes, I did.

Having said that, the kid now has a chance. The guy last season had no chance from the outset, managed to win 14 games and then had a rough ending (9 sacks). He had no chance of making a run in the playoffs with what they had up front. None. It's easy to say Sam Darnold turned back into Sam Darnold. That's a lazy man's argument. At the end of the day, he played way above what people thought and won 14 games with a horrific offensive line. He was one game from being the top seed in the NFC. There was talk of player-of-the-year, comeback player-of-the-year, you name it. Good on him. I wish him the best of luck in Seattle. He's probably going to need it, because they don't look very good on paper.



Absolutely they are committed to protecting the QB.

Tom Brady, would have had problems those last two games behind our line. Darnold did requit himself well but the Vikings were never going to commit a big contract to him. This was going to be McCarthy's team this year one way or the other. Everything I hear about JJM is he is a football junky. Didn't stay home in recovery was there every day, in every meeting, learning from Darnold, Mullins, Rypien, VR, McCown, KOC etc and is very competitive. Wants to win badly, his history is winning Only 1 loss his whole high school college career and I am excited to see what he will do. I was excited to see what Darnold could do with real recievers. It worked out pretty well, except for the exit from the playoffs.

Darnold's downsides all season were twofold...he'd sometimes lock in on JJ and he would frequently hold on to the ball for too long. Not all the sacks in that wildcard game were on the OLine. There were a couple where he just didn't get rid of the ball and had plenty of time. It's not all on Darnold, but also not all the line. The coaching staff clearly want JJM to succeed as they are committed to protecting him. Live I've been saying for years. OFFENSE STARTS ON THE OLINE.

I agree with most of this. Offense starts up front, defense at the corners. Always been a subscriber of that since the game turned into a video game about 20 years ago.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 9:09:41 AM   
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Interesting factoid...the Vikings have drafted #24 three times. Each one was from Ohio State.

Leo Hayden 1971
Corey Stringer 1995
Donovan Jackson 2025

Let's hope Jackson is closer to Stringer than Hayden.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 9:12:25 AM   
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Everybody keeps saying it was a reach.. bullshit.. guard was by far, the bigger need, than a god damn safety..

Cornerback or DT is next..

I can’t recall more whining and crying about a pick, than the last time we took a fn safety, in the first round..

Now dime a dozen running backs are on everyone’s wish list..

Please..

Running back HAVE TO HAVE BLOCKERS.

We have had decent running backs.. but the plays have been nicknamed “ the human enema” for a reason..



If the OL can’t open a hole or crease, the best designed running play, by the “ next Adrian Peterson” goes right up the IOL’s @xx and is a TFL.

“ running backs, a once down played poison, is making a resurgence..”

Our running back, AJ, finished in the top ten…300 yards behind the league leaders..

We do not need a running backs, we need blockers ..

You don’t waste limited draft capital on a position, you can “ try out” with 5 UDFA…

DT, corner..
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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 9:23:18 AM   
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Question is do we give up some 2026 draft capital and join the 2nd rd fray to get a NT?


i think that would be too costly, and I don't think there's anything we absolutely need...word is we've got asante samuel jr waiting to sign a deal that won't count against our '26 comp picks....

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 9:26:26 AM   
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Ive only heard/read "reach" one place and from one guy, DAO.

Good thing I was driving and only followed the picks, I guess.
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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 9:38:53 AM   
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I don't see Jackson as a reach. I think his guard ranking was probably hurt by sliding to tackle for the last 9 games. He would have been gone if the Vikings traded back (speculation is the Texans traded out of 25 because Jackson was gone).

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 9:45:42 AM   
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I don't see Jackson as a reach. I think his guard ranking was probably hurt by sliding to tackle for the last 9 games. He would have been gone if the Vikings traded back (speculation is the Texans traded out of 25 because Jackson was gone).

The reach was the three clowns we had playing in the interior in 2024.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 10:07:26 AM   
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I don't see Jackson as a reach. I think his guard ranking was probably hurt by sliding to tackle for the last 9 games. He would have been gone if the Vikings traded back (speculation is the Texans traded out of 25 because Jackson was gone).

The reach was the three clowns we had playing in the interior in 2024.

Darnold had three clowns in front of him all season long.

He simply wilted under the playoff spotlight.

Your grievance doesnt have anything to do with draft.
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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 10:20:32 AM   
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Everybody keeps saying it was a reach.. bullshit.. guard was by far, the bigger need, than a god damn safety..
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Reach is not defined by need. Reach almost always happens when a team drafts for need. Arguably the greatest draft pick ever made by the Vikings was when they chose a "risky" BPA over need. And some of their biggest screwups were drafting need over many obvious BetterPlayersAvailable.


When Dallas drafted at 12 the #31 player on the board, they burned the equivalent of a late first round pick. That's a huge cost. They should have traded down, if at all possible. Three similarly ranked guards on the board? Low risk.

When Seattle drafted at 18 the #33 player, they burned the equivalent of a second round pick. Could they have moved down a few slots without too much risk?

When the Vikes drafted at 24 the #36 player, they burned the equivalent of a third round pick. But they needed a starting guard. Had to do it, and clearly it was worth it. They didn't have any other guard options if they traded down.


If you want to argue that Jackson is not a reach (he is on almost all draft boards), the best argument I know is that the draftniks are undervaluing guards. And since the guards went so quickly, you could argue that teams are valuing guards more highly, and the draftnik value model is lagging. As further support, I think teams have started spending more on guards, which is a sign that guard valuation has increased.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/25/2025 10:20:57 AM   
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I don’t think Jackson was a reach at all.

I suspect people who think that get hung up on the fact that he was the third player picked at his position. I think the three guards probably went to the right order. But if anything, Booker was the reach for Dallas. The bottom half or so of the first round talent was relatively level. There wasn’t a whole lot of separation there. And I put all three guards in that group.

Bottom line, the Vikings got legitimate value at their draft position, in an area of need. That’s all you can ask for. Jackson is smart, has good football sense, is a leader, and is a beast on the field.

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