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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 12:11:48 AM   
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TJ agrees to restructure that saves 5 million on cap.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 5:38:20 AM   
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Brzez brought in Reichard to kick some cans as per overthecap we are just $1.2 million over.

Upcoming/stated deadwood cuts equal $25 million:
Hargrave 11
Jones 7.8
Allen 6.5

So if all that is true we'll be $24 million under.

Then there is $17 million in low hanging fruit:
Kelly 8.3
Hock 8.9

Who knows with Greenard.



after doing all the rework, trading, etc that's been mentioned, spotrac has us at $49mm under the cap...and that's without touching o'neill's present contract....


I take it you mean $39 million kicked to the outyears (JJ/Darrisaw/Murphy), cutting Hock, trading Greenard, Kelly retiring, and cutting the three players the team said would be released? All of those... not all of those... or all plus some other things?



yes, all of those things...apparently we're saving $5mm on hockenson's deal - i had us saving a bit more...it's in flux, as we all know....

i wonder what '27/'28 are going to look like after we rework all these large contracts - but we've got brzezinski working the ledger, so that's a plus....

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 5:54:15 AM   
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i was hoping that we'd give mccarthy another full season start in '26, but if we're going all in, like it's starting to look, kyler murray is the way to go....

on vikings.com brzezinski is listed as: EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT - FOOTBALL OPERATIONS...nothing about interim gm, or sacrificial lamb....

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 9:31:06 AM   
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Brzez brought in Reichard to kick some cans as per overthecap we are just $1.2 million over.

Upcoming/stated deadwood cuts equal $25 million:
Hargrave 11
Jones 7.8
Allen 6.5

So if all that is true we'll be $24 million under.

Then there is $17 million in low hanging fruit:
Kelly 8.3
Hock 8.9

Who knows with Greenard.



after doing all the rework, trading, etc that's been mentioned, spotrac has us at $49mm under the cap...and that's without touching o'neill's present contract....


I take it you mean $39 million kicked to the outyears (JJ/Darrisaw/Murphy), cutting Hock, trading Greenard, Kelly retiring, and cutting the three players the team said would be released? All of those... not all of those... or all plus some other things?



yes, all of those things...apparently we're saving $5mm on hockenson's deal - i had us saving a bit more...it's in flux, as we all know....

i wonder what '27/'28 are going to look like after we rework all these large contracts - but we've got brzezinski working the ledger, so that's a plus....


Got it. For 27-28, JJ has the salary of a top tier QB averaging $51 million. Darrisaw averages $31 million over three years (27-29). Murphy $24 million in 2027.

For 2027, JJ, Darrisaw, and Murphy currently eat up a tad over $100 million in cap.

JJ, $12 million voided in 2029. Murphy, $16 million voided in 2028.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 9:40:00 AM   
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As to how bad (?) things were, I don't think anything else was even possible. For example, besides the three players named to be released and Greenard, as it stands here is the ENTIRE list of players who have cap savings if cut (as in cutting anyone else except the aforementioned would have ADDED to the cap deficit):

O'Neill 19.4
Hock (before rework 8.9 and now approx 4.9)
VanGink 2.0
Cashman 4.5
Rodgers 4.5
Mason 0.6
Brandel 3.8

That's it. Excluding O'Neill they could have cut all those players and only netted about $24 million. So they couldn't even have gutted the roster if they wanted to!

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 9:42:31 AM   
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i was hoping that we'd give mccarthy another full season start in '26, but if we're going all in, like it's starting to look, kyler murray is the way to go....

on vikings.com brzezinski is listed as: EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT - FOOTBALL OPERATIONS...nothing about interim gm, or sacrificial lamb....


They brought in the cap guy from Seattle. Oh wait, they said he's going to work on scouting.

The only Triangle the team has is the Bermuda Triangle.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 11:30:14 AM   
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on purple daily this morning, they speculated a use for all the money we're raising; joe burrow for greenard, mccarthy, and 2 - first rounders....

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 11:49:34 AM   
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Alec Lewis “What I heard in Indianapolis”:

More than 10 teams are eyeing Vikings receiver Jalen Nailor, according to league sources. Nailor recently turned 27 and will be one of the more coveted free-agent wide receivers next week. Even though he has caught only 69 NFL passes and never reached 450 yards in a season, multiple evaluators think he has the potential to become a priority signing.

The Vikings don’t want to lose Nailor. The coaches — especially receivers coach Keenan McCardell — have watched him progress into one of their best developmental stories. He can absorb a complex playbook. He is a willing run blocker. He possesses vertical speed, and he displays separation ability, too.

One NFC executive posited that he could see Nailor producing an 80-catch season in the near future.

Nailor’s contract will match that level of production. He could be in line for a three-year deal worth an average annual value of between $12 million and $15 million, league sources said. By comparison, Giants receiver Darius Slayton signed a three-year contract worth $36 million a couple of seasons ago.

Minnesota isn’t likely to spend big at receiver, given that it has plenty of other needs. The team still believes strongly in Jordan Addison’s talent. The Vikings also knew that second-year receiver Tai Felton would need seasoning as a route runner, and he’ll receive ample opportunity over the spring and summer. Finding a wideout with a different body type is a priority. A heavier option would provide another layer of personnel flexibility.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7082103/2026/03/03/minnesota-vikings-free-agency-rob-brzezinski/
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 11:51:30 AM   
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This is...not ideal...

Kyler Murray's Deep Ball Problem

If quarterbacks need to be able to throw the ball downfield, Kyler Murray is one of the NFL’s worst starting quarterbacks.

Murray has traditionally struggled massively to throw a football downfield, and 2025 added to that legacy.

On passes 20+ yards downfield, out of 42 qualifying QBs, Murray ranked #39 in accuracy and #38 in completion rate.

Let’s examine Murray’s NFL rank over the last four years by depth.

On 25+ yard passes, Murray ranks:

#36 of 36 in completion rate (21%)
#36 of 36 in EPA/attempt (-0.18)
#36 of 36 in Y/A (7.5)

How about 20+ yards downfield?

Murray ranks:

#40 of 46 in completion rate (30%)
#45 of 46 in EPA/attempt (-0.16)
#42 of 46 in Y/A (8.7)

How about 15+ yards downfield?

Murray ranks:

#42 of 51 in completion rate (38%)
#51 of 51 in EPA/attempt (+0.05)
#47 of 51 in Y/A (9.3)

We really only need to stop there, because throwing the ball less than 15 yards isn’t really considered taking “a shot downfield,” but to just put a bow on the analysis, let’s look at all passes over 10 yards downfield.

I raised the cutoff to 175 attempts to further reduce the pool. Murray ranks:

#36 of 43 in completion rate (43%)
#43 of 43 in EPA/attempt (+0.08)
#41 of 43 in Y/A (8.8)

These aren’t just bad numbers. These are terrible numbers.

There are 32 qualifying quarterbacks.

Murray doesn’t rank in the top 32 throwing downfield, regardless of whether your definition is 10 yards, 15 yards, 20 yards, or 25 yards.

As Murray becomes one of the most talked about quarterbacks in trade discussions, it’s hard to imagine where a quarterback with a massive limitation of throwing the football downfield can become a franchise QB that actually wins meaningful games for teams.

Kyler Murray's Extensive Injury History

He’s not getting better.

He’s getting older and suffering more injuries as the years go by.

Since 2020, Murray has made it through just one of five seasons healthy.

His injury record is extensive:

2025: played only 5 of 17 games after suffering a Lisfranc-type mid-foot sprain
2023: played only 8 of 17 games due to rehabbing his prior-year ACL injury
2022: suffered a hamstring strain, missed multiple games, then tore his ACL and meniscus
2021: suffered a Grade 2 ankle sprain and missed multiple games

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/kyler-murray-deep-ball-stats-trade-analysis-2026/#
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 12:15:24 PM   
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This is...not ideal...

Kyler Murray's Deep Ball Problem

Kyler Murray's Extensive Injury History


Geno Smith come on down.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 12:29:34 PM   
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on purple daily this morning, they speculated a use for all the money we're raising; joe burrow for greenard, mccarthy, and 2 - first rounders....

I’ll go on record as a hard no.. not worth 2 firsts, ever.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 12:37:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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i was hoping that we'd give mccarthy another full season start in '26, but if we're going all in, like it's starting to look, kyler murray is the way to go....

on vikings.com brzezinski is listed as: EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT - FOOTBALL OPERATIONS...nothing about interim gm, or sacrificial lamb....


They brought in the cap guy from Seattle. Oh wait, they said he's going to work on scouting.

The only Triangle the team has is the Bermuda Triangle.

At least we’ve moved on from obscure analtic formulas that can’t be explained with any known form of human language.

Our new group is much better … powering up right to knife through the FA feeding frenzy with their iPhone calculators.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 12:54:17 PM   
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wow, that's one hell of a deep dive...kyler murray = phuck him

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 2:08:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

This is...not ideal...

Kyler Murray's Deep Ball Problem

If quarterbacks need to be able to throw the ball downfield, Kyler Murray is one of the NFL’s worst starting quarterbacks.

Murray has traditionally struggled massively to throw a football downfield, and 2025 added to that legacy.

On passes 20+ yards downfield, out of 42 qualifying QBs, Murray ranked #39 in accuracy and #38 in completion rate.

Let’s examine Murray’s NFL rank over the last four years by depth.

On 25+ yard passes, Murray ranks:

#36 of 36 in completion rate (21%)
#36 of 36 in EPA/attempt (-0.18)
#36 of 36 in Y/A (7.5)

How about 20+ yards downfield?

Murray ranks:

#40 of 46 in completion rate (30%)
#45 of 46 in EPA/attempt (-0.16)
#42 of 46 in Y/A (8.7)

How about 15+ yards downfield?

Murray ranks:

#42 of 51 in completion rate (38%)
#51 of 51 in EPA/attempt (+0.05)
#47 of 51 in Y/A (9.3)

We really only need to stop there, because throwing the ball less than 15 yards isn’t really considered taking “a shot downfield,” but to just put a bow on the analysis, let’s look at all passes over 10 yards downfield.

I raised the cutoff to 175 attempts to further reduce the pool. Murray ranks:

#36 of 43 in completion rate (43%)
#43 of 43 in EPA/attempt (+0.08)
#41 of 43 in Y/A (8.8)

These aren’t just bad numbers. These are terrible numbers.

There are 32 qualifying quarterbacks.

Murray doesn’t rank in the top 32 throwing downfield, regardless of whether your definition is 10 yards, 15 yards, 20 yards, or 25 yards.

As Murray becomes one of the most talked about quarterbacks in trade discussions, it’s hard to imagine where a quarterback with a massive limitation of throwing the football downfield can become a franchise QB that actually wins meaningful games for teams.

Kyler Murray's Extensive Injury History

He’s not getting better.

He’s getting older and suffering more injuries as the years go by.

Since 2020, Murray has made it through just one of five seasons healthy.

His injury record is extensive:

2025: played only 5 of 17 games after suffering a Lisfranc-type mid-foot sprain
2023: played only 8 of 17 games due to rehabbing his prior-year ACL injury
2022: suffered a hamstring strain, missed multiple games, then tore his ACL and meniscus
2021: suffered a Grade 2 ankle sprain and missed multiple games

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/kyler-murray-deep-ball-stats-trade-analysis-2026/#

What stats don't show is Murray was a very accurate downfield passer " In his 2019–2020 rookie-season projects, Murray was regarded as one of the most accurate deep-ball passers in the league, even leading in accuracy under pressure."

So what happened? It seems his injury history probably hurt his downfield accuracy. " Ankle and knee injuries (including ACL) have affected his ability to plant and drive the ball, directly impacting his accuracy and ability to throw downfield."

Even with injuries his completion percentage was very good in the 65% plus range.

So if healthy he could be a very good pickup.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 3:09:30 PM   
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If healthy…

And if he can regain some of his ability from 7 years ago…
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 7:19:43 PM   
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If healthy…

And if he can regain some of his ability from 7 years ago…

No kidding, a lot of ifs.

All these dudes have major flaws. Ironically, a few of them like Murray and Smith have played way better than Darnold ever did, in certain moments, than when Sam got here. So there’s the flimsy notion that lightening may strike twice.

I’m just glad there’s total mystery to the situation to keep it interesting.

I suppose whoever it is will get the usual slack, hoping he plays 10x better in a new situation than he ever has before.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 8:41:08 PM   
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Kyler Murray is too short, an NFL QB needs to be a minimum of 6'3", unless he can scramble like Tark, and is complemented with a top 3 defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 9:48:36 PM   
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Kyler Murray is too short, an NFL QB needs to be a minimum of 6'3", unless he can scramble like Tark, and is complemented with a top 3 defense.

Murray can scramble. Watch some of his highlights. I not real big on short QB's either. Murray is definitely a Doug Flutie, Russel Wilson type of QB.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 10:11:17 PM   
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Murray's TD-Int ratio the past 4 years is 51-26. We can trot out JJM for that production.

Of course there is the off-used 'if healthy' argument which has merit even though he has only played 41 games the past fours seasons (and that's a distinct downward trend).

But again, I'm sold. Who else is there? And at the minimum salary?! And he will be entertaining as long as he is healthy. Forget his accuracy, he has a bit of a gallop to his short strides!
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/8/2026 10:36:24 PM   
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A slightly more talented, but 5 inches shorter, Joshua Dobbs.

Is Murray really a fit for KOC's offense?

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/9/2026 12:32:28 AM   
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A slightly more talented, but 5 inches shorter, Joshua Dobbs.

Is Murray really a fit for KOC's offense?

Murray is more of a RPO QB. KOC would have to tweak his offense to take advantage of Murray's skill set.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/9/2026 7:51:31 AM   
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A slightly more talented, but 5 inches shorter, Joshua Dobbs.

Is Murray really a fit for KOC's offense?

Murray is more of a RPO QB. KOC would have to tweak his offense to take advantage of Murray's skill set.

Is he willing to do that? JJM is better at ROO also and KOC wasn't willing to modify his offense at all to accommodate him.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/9/2026 9:57:45 AM   
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We had the answer and you folks ran him out of town. Why would anyone listen to your opinions now?

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/9/2026 10:44:12 AM   
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Quit living in the past Brad.

Brad Johnson also won a Super Bowl.

It's time to look forward and at current options, not options from the past.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 3/9/2026 10:46:36 AM   
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Not only is Murray short, but some Cardinals' fans say he never motivates or encourages his teammates, and that he doesn't show leadership.

Can Murray be a system QB ?

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