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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 10/19/2011 1:40:26 PM   
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Here is a set back for Borton's rebuilding. Kayla Hirt lost for the year with a torn ACL. She committed after her junoir year at Bemidji where she averaged 26 ots and 14 reb. One prep recruiting outfit had her ranked as high as 26 nationally not far behind Rachel Bahnam. She blew out an ACL and missed her senoir season and now she tore the other one and will miss this season.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/132027328.html

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 1/22/2012 7:06:56 PM   
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The Ladies got their butts kicked today by Neb.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 1/29/2012 4:58:26 PM   
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Nice win by Gophers today beating #9 Ohio St. This team has some nice players but not sure of their eligibility left. braham is a F so she will be here for while

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 1/29/2012 6:11:56 PM   
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Glad to beat Taylor Hill. Bahnam is the best player the state has produced since Whalen and may turn out to be even better. Kiara Buford and Jackie Voight are the only players of any significance in their last years. 

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 1/29/2012 8:45:06 PM   
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Glad to beat Taylor Hill. Bahnam is the best player the state has produced since Whalen and may turn out to be even better. Kiara Buford and Jackie Voight are the only players of any significance in their last years. 


Good to know.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 3/25/2012 9:44:01 PM   
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The Gophers won the women's equivalent of the NIT. They beat Northern Iowa 88-74 in the championship game behind Rachel Bahnam's 26 points. Now let's see if the men can win the NIT and give us a sweep of the bridesmaid tournaments.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 3/29/2012 9:50:15 PM   
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Glad to beat Taylor Hill. Bahnam is the best player the state has produced since Whalen and may turn out to be even better. Kiara Buford and Jackie Voight are the only players of any significance in their last years. 

Not sure about who is the "best player the state has produced" but for me time will tell re: Banham, she's just getting started. Banham & Whalen are PG, floor generals types; Hill is a combo guard who is quick, has good handle, can score a variety of ways + get to the line, create for herself & others, on top of being a solid defender. She is a very good combo guard in fact and should be early 1st round pick in the '13 WNBA draft. Hill's a far better defender then Whalen will ever be & and then Banham has shown to this point. Hill was wise to pass on MN under Borton & has a brighter future ahead of her because of that choice. Now, I think Banham is a very good player and I look forward to her growth but can only hope the 'Borton effect' doesn't mess up her promising future.
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 3/29/2012 10:21:15 PM   
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The Gophers won the women's equivalent of the NIT. They beat Northern Iowa 88-74 in the championship game behind Rachel Bahnam's 26 points. Now let's see if the men can win the NIT and give us a sweep of the bridesmaid tournaments.

Corrections needed here. There is a NIT equivalent, but it's call the WNIT.

What Pam Borton's team won was a 3rd rate post season tournament called the WBI.
Because the NCAA committee somehow thought the Big10 deserved 7 teams in field of 64 for the Big Dance, the Gophers would have qualified & been invited to the WNIT. Buuuut Borton in her wisdom (or fear of not being able to play enough, if any games that might help a bonus kick in if she had a record above .500 -so she needed these wins) accepted an early offer from the WBI before the field of 64 was announced

The Gophers were the only BCS school in the tourney and only the 3 BCS school to ever play in this 3yr old tournament. They played teams that would be considered pre-season cupcakes. Not to mention, by hosting the 3 games Borton likely cost the U more money (on top of her possible pay bonus) then it would have cost if they had gone on the road for an WNIT game or two. But such is life on the Women's side
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 3/30/2012 10:55:30 PM   
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Glad to beat Taylor Hill. Bahnam is the best player the state has produced since Whalen and may turn out to be even better. Kiara Buford and Jackie Voight are the only players of any significance in their last years. 

Not sure about who is the "best player the state has produced" but for me time will tell re: Banham, she's just getting started. Banham & Whalen are PG, floor generals types; Hill is a combo guard who is quick, has good handle, can score a variety of ways + get to the line, create for herself & others, on top of being a solid defender. She is a very good combo guard in fact and should be early 1st round pick in the '13 WNBA draft. Hill's a far better defender then Whalen will ever be & and then Banham has shown to this point. Hill was wise to pass on MN under Borton & has a brighter future ahead of her because of that choice. Now, I think Banham is a very good player and I look forward to her growth but can only hope the 'Borton effect' doesn't mess up her promising future.


I see a little different player than you do. Taylor Hill looks more to me like a strict 2G and more of a pure scorer. Hill may be a marginally better defender, but she's not an elite level defender. I think Bahnam and Whalen elevate their teammates much more than Hill does. We'll see how the graduation of Samantha Prahalis affects Hill.

I will agree on Borton. She had a great setup with Littlejohn's recruits and her own early recruiting successes. Then it all unraveled. Partly because of her own heavy handed methods, partly because of a couple of bad apples and partly because of a couple of players parents who thought college basketball was supposed to be like AAU. Borton has no concept of how to structure an offense and how to build cohesion.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 3/31/2012 1:19:11 AM   
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Glad to beat Taylor Hill. Bahnam is the best player the state has produced since Whalen and may turn out to be even better. Kiara Buford and Jackie Voight are the only players of any significance in their last years. 

Not sure about who is the "best player the state has produced" but for me time will tell re: Banham, she's just getting started. Banham & Whalen are PG, floor generals types; Hill is a combo guard who is quick, has good handle, can score a variety of ways + get to the line, create for herself & others, on top of being a solid defender. She is a very good combo guard in fact and should be early 1st round pick in the '13 WNBA draft. Hill's a far better defender then Whalen will ever be & and then Banham has shown to this point. Hill was wise to pass on MN under Borton & has a brighter future ahead of her because of that choice. Now, I think Banham is a very good player and I look forward to her growth but can only hope the 'Borton effect' doesn't mess up her promising future.


I see a little different player than you do. Taylor Hill looks more to me like a strict 2G and more of a pure scorer. Hill may be a marginally better defender, but she's not an elite level defender. I think Bahnam and Whalen elevate their teammates much more than Hill does. We'll see how the graduation of Samantha Prahalis affects Hill.

Well, I guess we'll have to disagree some on Hill. I don't see her as being "strictly" a SG. Watching the OSU in the first half of their season Hill often brought the ball up and initiated the offense. When she ran the point the team was not completely out of sorts. She's a high IQ player that can handle running the point and share the ball if need be, so I see her as combo guard. But they will need her to score next yr for sure. Without Prahalis next season will be interestingt. I think Hill & Amber Stokes (B10 Def Player of the Yr) are the only seniors ? It’s going to be a huge adjustment for the whole team. Not sure what they have coming in or who will be running the point. Will it have to be Hill? I don't know. If it’s a freshman, Hill will be invaluable.

Does Banham have the ability to help make those around her better? I think she can. As the primary floor general, part of the role is to set the tone. But who really did Banham make better? Look back at the latter half of the season, she was pretty became, close to being "just a scorer". Her assist numbers took a nose dive as she was often the leading scorer. And it wasn't because people weren't making shots off of her passes. She was putting up shots & driving to the hole. I don't know what the guards are like coming in next season but I hope Borton doesn't screw up and at some point next season uses the excuse that it will be for the good of the team that she moves Banham to the SG position to free her up to score more

As for the defensive end, Banham is not elite either. She's a freshman so she has time to show me more. As for Hill, she may not be elite to some but being a good defender ain't bad. And she’s a much better defender then Whalen ever was as a college player. Whalen was marginal at best.
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 3/31/2012 12:11:08 PM   
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Again I have to disagree on Lindsey. Whalen was a very good defender in college IMO. You may be thinking of her soph season under Friese who had a run and gun system with almost no emphasis on defense. Under Borton she did a great job pressuring the ball and fighting over and through screens. I remember a lot of Whalen stepping into passing lanes and converting fast break layups. She has slowed down defensively the last couple of years mainly due playing on a bad knee that she had fixed after last season. In college she was a very good defensive player.

I agree that the jury is out in a some respects for Bahnam. As the only player who can create her own shot the onus of being the scorer was on her and Buford took on more of the facilitator role. Next year she will supposedly have another go to scorer to work with in Kayla Hirt. We'll see how her game evolves.

And I am not down on Hill by any means. She does have an all around game, though I think her stints bringing up the ball were more out of necessity than her being a fit at the point. I still think she is a great scoring guard and she will be a WNBA first round pick. I see her being a good scorer at every level.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 11/12/2012 12:01:59 PM  1 votes
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Gopher women look strong this year. They just won a tournament this weekend by beating Wash St and Villanova. They're not like the boys picking weak teams

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 11/27/2012 9:01:59 AM   
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Gopher Women have 1 loss and have played DI teams and yet they aren't getting recognition in top 25 while WV has 2 losses are 25. They aren't even showing thm getting any votes. They have won their games in a convincing manner also.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 11/27/2012 10:31:02 AM   
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The women's team is starting this season from a lot farther down. They didn't even make the NIT last year although they won some tournament for teams not good enough to make the NIT tournament. Rachel Bahnam was the only marketable talent going into the season. In short they couldn't have been much farther off the radar to start. It's going to take more than a 5-1 start to get into the top 25. Since then Micaella Riche has developed into a #2 option after playing with the Canadian National team. Kayla Hirt is just starting to hit her stride and could emerge as that pure scorer the Gophers need. Some role players are starting to step up as well. Even Borton is showing some signs of knowing how to coach. If they keep on this path they could get there.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 11/29/2012 9:39:41 AM   
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I'm looking fwd to watching the Gopher ladies tonight. Just read about Hirt's knee surgery a the last 2 years

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 11/29/2012 2:21:53 PM   
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Most fans don't realize that at the end of her junior year in high school Hirt was considered a top 25 recruit along with Banham. She tore her left ACL during the summer before her senior year, but Borton still gave her a scholarship. Then she tore her right ACL during preseason practice last year. She supposedly that pure scorer that usually seems to elude Borton. Assuming her injuries are behind her, Hirt could could wind up being a majore impact player by the end of the year. There is also a 6'5" center from Sweden, Amanda Zahui B. that is supposed to become eligible in December. She has apparently played for the Swedish national team and is one of her country's best players.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 11/29/2012 3:10:23 PM   
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Thanks for that additional information Tim. It'd be nice to see a couple more Gophers in the WNBA. Not sure any of this squad has that opportunity, but who knows how they will improve over next few years

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 11/29/2012 3:12:46 PM   
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Banham definitely is that caliber of player.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 3/16/2013 5:37:56 PM   
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Pam Borton has to be wishing there was some way for Carlie Wagner to graduate a year early and play for the Gophers next year. Holy shit, what a tournament. She smashed all of the scoring records she set last year. Just a pure scorer with great body control in the paint and a deadly touch. She carried her team on her back with 51 points going against McDonald's American Rebekah Dahlman in the championship game. If she could get away with 1/10th the elbowing and charging that Dahlman does, there is no telling how many points she could score.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 12/27/2013 7:37:40 PM   
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Am I reading this right? The Gophers only beat North Dakota by 2 points?!? Yikes.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 1/24/2014 10:33:05 AM   
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And last night the Lady Gophers also beat Wisconsin

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 1/24/2014 10:39:58 AM   
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This a make or break year for Borton. She may have the best player in the conference in Bahnam and one of the best post players in Zuhui B along with a couple of serviceable depth players. If she can't get this team to the dance and get a couple of wins, she should be gone.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 1/24/2014 10:51:34 AM   
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This a make or break year for Borton. She may have the best player in the conference in Bahnam and one of the best post players in Zuhui B along with a couple of serviceable depth players. If she can't get this team to the dance and get a couple of wins, she should be gone.


It would help if Zuhui could stay on the floor. She's consistently in foul trouble. I can see this improving as time goes along

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 1/26/2014 10:34:34 PM   
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Its past time for Borton to be go !

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Womens) - 1/27/2014 8:00:35 AM   
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Its past time for Borton to be go !


doogie thinks it is a foregone conclusion,

A lock. Her assistants are already apparently preparing for the inevitable. Making calls preparing for what's next, etc.
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