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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/2/2013 4:22:46 PM   
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Former Drake forward Joey King returning home to Minnesota
Kevin Doyle Jun 2, 2013, 3:30 PM EDT

Rick Pitino Jr. received some good news recently learning that Joey King will return home to play for Minnesota. King, a native of Eagan, MN, averaged 6.9 points as a freshman at Drake earning All-Freshmen honors in the Missouri Valley.

In early May, King announced his decision to leave the Drake program. Ryan James–a writer for GopherIllustrated.com–explained King’s reasoning for transferring back on May 10th:

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One of Joey's family members is unfortunately ill so he's looking to transfer home to be closer to family.

Per Evan Daniels, who broke the news on Sunday afternoon, King will likely receive a waiver to play immediately:

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Joey King from Drake is headed to Minnesota, a source says. Likely will get a waiver to play right away.

On the court, King has the ability to stretch a defense standing at 6-foot-9, but spending a fair amount of time beyond the arc. King shot 34.7% from the perimeter last season (33-95), and actually took more three-pointers than twos.

While it’s always nice to have a big forward who can step out and hit a three, it would behoove King to continue to develop his inside game as the Golden Gophers will have to replace two big bodies on the inside: Trevor Mbakwe and Rodney Williams.
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/2/2013 10:24:15 PM   
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A big guy who can shoot, has D1 experience, and has local ties? I'll take it. About as good an option as is available in the spring season.
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/3/2013 9:17:34 AM   
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A big guy who can shoot, has D1 experience, and has local ties? I'll take it. About as good an option as is available in the spring season.


Must have some mobility as well. Williams didn't shoot the 3 unless he had to. Depth is a good thing.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/3/2013 12:17:24 PM   
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Pitino needs to find some rebounders. King just isn't going to do it, and I don't see Oto/Buggs being great rebounders at the 4. Let's hope Buckles -- if he gets here -- and Eliason can sure clean the glass, or there could be some long games against the MSUs/OSUs of the B1G.
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/3/2013 3:12:32 PM   
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Maurice cleans the glass!
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/3/2013 4:42:18 PM   
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Pitino needs to find some rebounders. King just isn't going to do it, and I don't see Oto/Buggs being great rebounders at the 4. Let's hope Buckles -- if he gets here -- and Eliason can sure clean the glass, or there could be some long games against the MSUs/OSUs of the B1G.



What, is there more than one MSU or more than one OSU in the conference now??

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/3/2013 6:22:44 PM   
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I didn't know Big Mo used glass tableware...
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/3/2013 6:31:49 PM   
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Just call him Mr Calgonite.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/5/2013 10:19:44 AM   
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Nice to get someone of any size in the door for next year...even if he's not a banger.
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/11/2013 3:14:19 PM   
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Every Gophers athletics team received passing marks Tuesday, when the NCAA released its annual Academic Progress Rate (APR) report, and the men’s basketball team learned that guard Malik Smith would be eligible immediately after transferring from Florida International University.
FIU’s men’s basketball team received a one-year postseason ban for posting a multi-year APR score of 858, well below the 900 cutoff point. Athletes who transfer from a team that is banned from the postseason are eligible to compete at their new school without having to sit out a year.
Smith averaged 14.1 points as a junior last season for FIU and set a single-season school record by making 96 three pointers.
The latest NCAA multi-year numbers examine the school years from 2008-09 to 2011-12. FIU is paying the price for academic struggles under Isiah Thomas, the coach who preceded Richard Pitino.
Pitino has been credited for helping turn around FIU academically, as well as on the court, before becoming the new Gophers coach.
The annual APR offers a snapshot of how each team is performing academically. The Gophers football team’s multi-year APR increased from 932 last year to 955 this year. In 2009, under then-coach Tim Brewster, the Gophers posted a multi-year APR of 915 and were penalized with a loss of scholarships.
This year, five Gophers teams received perfect 1,000 scores -- baseball, men’s tennis, women’s basketball, women’s gymnastics and women’s soccer. Other notable Gophers scores included 955 for men’s basketball and 987 for men’s hockey.


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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/11/2013 7:37:58 PM   
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Every Gophers athletics team received passing marks Tuesday, when the NCAA released its annual Academic Progress Rate (APR) report, and the men’s basketball team learned that guard Malik Smith would be eligible immediately after transferring from Florida International University.
FIU’s men’s basketball team received a one-year postseason ban for posting a multi-year APR score of 858, well below the 900 cutoff point. Athletes who transfer from a team that is banned from the postseason are eligible to compete at their new school without having to sit out a year.
Smith averaged 14.1 points as a junior last season for FIU and set a single-season school record by making 96 three pointers.
The latest NCAA multi-year numbers examine the school years from 2008-09 to 2011-12. FIU is paying the price for academic struggles under Isiah Thomas, the coach who preceded Richard Pitino.
Pitino has been credited for helping turn around FIU academically, as well as on the court, before becoming the new Gophers coach.
The annual APR offers a snapshot of how each team is performing academically. The Gophers football team’s multi-year APR increased from 932 last year to 955 this year. In 2009, under then-coach Tim Brewster, the Gophers posted a multi-year APR of 915 and were penalized with a loss of scholarships.
This year, five Gophers teams received perfect 1,000 scores -- baseball, men’s tennis, women’s basketball, women’s gymnastics and women’s soccer. Other notable Gophers scores included 955 for men’s basketball and 987 for men’s hockey.



Very good news.
The nasty side comes out in me when discussing the Brewster numbers.
If you're gonna have those kind of crappy numbers, you better have one hell of team. He did the opposite.
Accepted mediocrity in the classroom and got it on the field. Loser.
Kills schtick isn't smoke and mirrors. He expects better and holds them to it.
Doing one or the other is commendable. Failing at BOTH, like some of these previous knotheads have done ,,, is whats totally unacceptable.   

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/22/2013 9:23:57 PM   
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Interesting read on Colton Iverson

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/212572821.html

“I’m not the slow slug you saw at Minnesota. I’ve slimmed down, toned up, really just improved all around.” - Colton Iverson

I continue to be amazed at Tubby's inability to get players into condition. After 3 years Iverson goes to a new school with a new coach and a new strength and conditioning staff and voila, he is a potential 1st round draft choice. We have been hearing about Mo Walker's need to lose weight for 4 years without him losing an ounce. Pitino comes in and Mo sheds 20lbs in a month and is working toward and expected playing weight of 260lbs for next season. What the hell did Tubby have for a strength and conditioning staff?

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/22/2013 10:40:08 PM   
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What the hell did Tubby have for a strength and conditioning staff?


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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/26/2013 2:53:07 PM   
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Bonded w/ Mo Walker & Eliason. Eliason says he'll beat Pitino in push-up contest. Walker weighed 268 today. Was 310 after season. #gophers
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/26/2013 3:03:09 PM   
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Yep, Walker is down 42lbs and pushing hard to reach a playing weight of 255. Who the hell was the strength and conditioning coach under Smith.... Dick Enrico?

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 6/29/2013 8:39:39 PM   
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Almost unrecognizable!

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 7/1/2013 9:10:01 AM   
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 7/1/2013 2:19:10 PM   
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The poor kid is clearly starving himself.  No way he keeps that weight off.  Can't be healthy to slim down that much that quickly.  He's a big framed dude...he should be carrying more weight.  He should be somewhere in between those 2 pictures.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 7/1/2013 2:21:44 PM   
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What are you Richard Simmons all of the sudden?

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 7/4/2013 12:32:16 AM   
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DULUTH, Minn. -- A trip to northeast Minnesota, via Interstate 35, reveals a world that's distinct and distant from the bustling corporate culture that dominates the Minneapolis-St. Paul scene.


Up here, clusters of sturdy spruce trees line rural roads like church pews. Small towns, such as Cloquet and Hinckley, rely on worn billboards to market their casinos, truck stops or antique shops. Nearby gas stations sell newspapers, live bait and "Duck Dynasty" hats.




Like any first-year coach, Richard Pitino has tried to ingrain himself into the culture of his new home.


And within this terrain, Richard Pitino must convince a segment of a starving fan base that he can transform the University of Minnesota's men's basketball program, the only Division I team in the state. He's clearly prepared for the day's task.


It's late June, and the 30-year-old coach from the East Coast works a conference room filled with Gophers fans like a seasoned politician. Pitino tells an elderly gentleman that he'd recruit him to play for the University of Minnesota only if he swapped his Steve Maddens for basketball shoes.


He takes pictures with little girls adorned in Minnesota-themed dresses. He raves about the support he has received since he accepted the gig in early April. He shakes hands and smiles. And he makes promises.


Promises they've all heard in the past.


Pitino's mission on this trek to Duluth -- a gorgeous city of 86,000 that rests of the edge of Lake Superior -- is to convince disappointed fans that a coach with one year of Division I head-coaching experience can transform a program that has been stale for nearly 20 years.


"I think 'frustrated' is the right word," said Pitino, who will make $1.2 million annually. "I think they all see what I see. They see this place is so great. They see how phenomenal the university is, how great the Twin Cities are, how much they care.


"I think they're frustrated. I think it certainly starts with players. We talk about so many things. In the end it comes down to players. We've got to kind of build our tradition. The good thing is there isn't apathy. I think where you struggle to build a program is where the people don't care."


A caravan in northern Minnesota


There's a traffic jam on East Superior Street. A country traffic jam.


Only six or seven cars are stuck behind the coach bus decorated in maroon and gold as it pulls up to Tycoons Alehouse and Eatery in downtown Duluth. About a dozen Minnesota coaches and staffers, including Pitino and athletic director Norwood Teague, are aboard.


Per a large sign, "urine cleaner" and other marijuana-related paraphernalia are available at the variety store adjacent to the pub. There's a hole-in-the-wall Chinese food joint on the same block and a dilapidated casino across the street.





Despite limited head-coaching experience, Pitino was the right man for Minnesota.



The contrasting surroundings, compared to the Twin Cities, are evident as soon as Pitino steps onto the sidewalk. With his slick hair and creased Nike khakis, he's not subtle in Duluth -- the 15th stop on the 16-city "Gopher Road Trip: Chalk Talk" tour.


"It's just a chance to get out to out-state Minnesota, to meet our fans, show them that we appreciate them and to let them hear from our coaches," Teague said.


But the effort is more calculated than that, specifically for Pitino and Teague.


Pitino runs a program that hasn't tasted basketball glory since the late 1990s. But that period is bittersweet because the NCAA vacated the greatest triumphs of the Bobby Jackson Era, including a 1997 Final Four run and a Big Ten title, because of an academic scandal. Minnesota has won just one NCAA tournament game since that era.


The Gophers haven't won a conference championship that the NCAA still recognizes since 1982. The only noteworthy NBA player the program has produced in the past 10 years, Kris Humphries, is more famous for his brief marriage to reality TV star Kim Kardashian than his basketball exploits.


Pitino, who has been an assistant at Louisville and Florida, replaces Tubby Smith. Smith was fired in March after winning one NCAA tournament game in six seasons.


His successor's only head-coaching experience came last season in a one-year stint at Florida International. The Golden Panthers won 18 games under Pitino a year after earning just eight victories overall.


But he's in the Big Ten now. There's more pressure to win, something previous Gophers coaches could not do consistently in the league. Rebuilding, not winning, has been the recent tradition.


"It's all about potential, but we've never seen it materialize into anything like a Big Ten championship or an NCAA tournament run or a packed Barn after every game," said Nadine Babu, co-owner of the popular Gophers fan site, Gopherhole.com. "It's obviously unknown what he's going to be able to accomplish. People are excited to see what can happen."


Pitino woos any skeptics of his youth with his maturity and relaxed demeanor at this recent gathering of boosters.


The offseason event begins with team mascot Goldy Gopher twirling his top as gray-haired supporters chant "Spin your head! Spin your head! Spin your head!" Then, Mike Grimm, the team's play-by-play announcer, draws laughs as he knocks the program's chief rival during his introduction.





Pitino was part of a Minnesota caravan that canvassed the state in June.



"The only downside about Duluth is you look across the way and see Wisconsin," Grimm says.


Men's hockey coach Don Lucia jokes about Pitino's transition to a colder climate. "He's moving up in the world," Lucia says. "He's gone from South Beach to Lake Superior."


And then the new men's basketball leader grabs the mike. He's not nervous or shaky. And if you close your eyes, you hear his father speaking. Same tone. Same pace. Same accent.


"It's going to take a little time," Pitino tells the group. "We've got to add some guys."


He explains his desire to run and press (Florida International was 48th in adjusted tempo per KenPom.com last year) in a league that has traditionally been recognized as a slower, grinding conference. He talks about the talent on the team now and the talent he desires.


Pitino discusses the need for stronger recruiting, which will demand more resources. Translation: "Fans, open your checkbooks and pull out your credit cards."


One supporter asks Pitino if he'll get a tattoo, something his father did after last season's national title run, to commemorate a Minnesota national championship. He'll outdo his father, Pitino says, by putting a Gopher on his back.


More laughter and applause.


"I think we were frustrated," said longtime season-ticket holder Terry Chmielewski, who attended the event. "This is a fresh start. Biggest thing for us was the energy [Pitino has] with recruiting. I don't think we've felt that before."


The feisty assistant turned head coach


Rick Pitino has won two national championships, and he's the only coach who has led three schools to the Final Four.


But Richard Pitino didn't care about those accolades when he coached under his father.


His competitive edge rivals his father's, so during the 2011-12 season, he had to speak up as Florida foiled Louisville's matchup zone and seized a 41-33 halftime advantage in the Elite Eight. He wanted his father to make a change. Actually, he demanded it.


"He wouldn't shut the hell up about it," Rick Pitino said. "He said, 'Dad, if you don't get the hell out of a zone, we're not going to the Final Four.'"





Where does Richard Pitino get his fire? Start with his father, Rick.



The profanity-laced exchange continued as father reminded son of his own achievements and his inexperience. But Richard Pitino was relentless.


"He told me, 'If you don't get out of this matchup zone, I'm going to kill you,'" Rick Pitino said. "I've never had any assistant go after me like that."


A few possessions into halftime, the head coach dropped the zone and the Cardinals won the game. That back-and-forth banter demonstrated the new Minnesota coach's audacity and confidence, but it also displayed his basketball acumen.


Pitino didn't take shortcuts when he was on his father's staff at Louisville or while he was working for his father's protégé, Billy Donovan, at Florida. He tried to outwork everyone else.


"He's so mature, well beyond his age," said Wyking Jones, a Louisville assistant. "We don't make it to the Final Four and win the Big East title [in 2012] without Richard Pitino."


Jones rarely saw Pitino without his iPad when the two coaches worked together at Louisville. He wasn't playing Doodle Jump, either. Pitino used the device to watch film. Hours and hours of film.


Everywhere he went -- breakfast, bus rides -- he carried it with him. It was his way of absorbing the game. As a result, Pitino is recognized as an elite basketball mind by those close to him.


Last season's Florida International squad lacked a multitude of high-level athletes, but its defense was ranked fifth nationally in turnover rate per Ken Pomeroy.


"He's as good an X's and O's guy as anyone in the business," Rick Pitino said. "He doesn't need coaching. He needs recruiting."


Pitino can't do it alone


Teague talked to multiple coaches who had worked with Pitino before he interviewed him a few months ago. The same athletic director who had hired Shaka Smart during his time at VCU wasn't concerned about his youth. Donovan's endorsement alleviated those concerns.


But Teague had to talk to Pitino. Once he did, however, it didn't take long to make a decision.


"I don't think it was an 'aha' moment. But when we first sat down, about 15 minutes in, I knew he was the guy," Teague said. "It was much like when I heard Shaka, where you say, 'Let's just stop this and get back to Minneapolis and have a press conference.' It's a gut feeling. Now granted, there's a lot that goes into the gut feeling. There's a lot of research, a lot of talking to other people about him."





For Pitino to succeed, Minnesota AD Norwood Teague must provide the appropriate resources.



Pitino acknowledges the challenge he has accepted. The Gophers have a strong backcourt, anchored by Andre Hollins and Austin Hollins, but not much else. Joe Coleman, who seemed perfect for the system, transferred to Saint Mary's this week. The team has only two legit centers, with Maurice Walker and Elliott Eliason.


And Pitino will attempt to implement a style that requires a rotation of eight or nine players to really flow. Depth is not the current roster's strength.


"We've got to now build a style of play, build a culture that these people want to come see and then, we've got to recruit our butt off," Pitino said. "That's extremely important."


Teague vows to help. Minnesota needs a practice facility yesterday. It's a must-have trinket for major programs now. College basketball is an arms race, and the Gophers are losing.


For years, the state's best preps have been poached by other programs within and outside the Big Ten. There's only a sliver of hope that local 2014 prospects Tyus Jones (No. 3 in ESPN's Top 100) and Rashad Vaughn (No. 11) will stay home.


That's a trend Pitino hopes to end, but that goal seems feasible only with an uptick in resources.


"We need to help him as far as building his budget, building a practice facility and doing some of the little things that make this program operate at a higher level," Teague said.


Pitino compares his plight to his father's situation at Louisville, a team that needed better facilities and more wins when he was hired in 2001. But Rick Pitino said his son faces a more difficult predicament.


"If I wanted a practice facility [at Louisville], I snap my fingers and I got it," Rick said. "[Minnesota] couldn't build a practice facility. That was Tubby's biggest problem."


Pitino is not worried, though. But he is realistic.


He doesn't make the job more complex than it has to be, but he doesn't oversimplify it, either. He wants to win. He expects to win. Soon. But not too soon.


"I sincerely believe that this place could be a national powerhouse, I really believe it," Pitino said. "You've got a great conference. You've got a great fan base. You've got people who care. With the help of them, we can get there."


Gophers fans wonder if Pitino will be the coach who finally turns "there" into "here."

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 7/4/2013 7:55:42 PM   
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Build the bloody practice facility already. You only have so many years and this guy is gone. Savor it.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 7/9/2013 3:57:33 PM   
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Richard Pitino Blog No. 1: Gopher Basketball Update
By Richard Pitino on July 9, 2013 2:57 PM

Good afternoon Gopher fans! Periodically throughout the offseason I thought it would be a good idea to share some updates and thoughts on the progress of our program. Since I took the job in April it has been a whirlwind. Below are the three main questions every Gopher

1. What has been your biggest surprise since you have taken the job?

Answer: The fan support has been by far the biggest surprise. What makes the University of Minnesota so special is we are the only Division I school in the entire state. That is extremely unique in a state comprised of 5.3 million people, and that is what makes this job so special. Everywhere I have worked there have been divided fan bases. The majority of this state grows up dreaming of going to the University of Minnesota.

2. Can you play fast in the Big Ten?

Answer: You can play fast in any conference. You can play slow in any conference. The key to playing the style that we would like to play starts and ends with the type of players that we bring in. We will not succeed at playing that style if we don't get the right fit. Several great coaches throughout the country play the style they believe in to be right. None of these styles are particularly right or wrong. They only become ineffective if you don't have the right personnel to do it. We hope to be one of the best conditioned teams in the country.

3. What is the best piece of advice your father or Billy Donovan has given you?

Answer: It would be impossible to pinpoint one piece of wisdom each guy has given me. Between the two of them they have won 4 national titles, been to 10 Final Fours and won over a thousand games. My father will be inducted into the Hall of Fame this fall and Coach Donovan will certainly be there in the not so distant future. Both guys do things very differently but strive to the reach the same common goal. I learned so much from them in my 5 years as an assistant and know they will continue to teach me in the future.

Personnel Update (After 4 practices)

Austin Hollins: Has had 4 very solid practices. Has a great demeanor on the court. Very quick release with good size. I love his business-like approach on the court and in the classroom. We are going to rely on him a lot.

Maverick Ahanmisi: Turned out his best practice last week. Showed toughess that I didn't know he had. Has the ability to make shots and play multiple positions for us. He has the potential to be our leader.

Malik Smith: Is playing arguably the best basketball on the team right now. The reason is he has the luxury of playing for me for a year. He is very comfortable in the system and has used it to his advantage. He truly believes every shot he takes will go in. He has also been a great leader.

Elliott Eliason: Also had a very good practice last week. Still needs to add some muscle in order to be more physical. His greatest attribute is his running. He doesn't know how good he can be.

Maurice Walker: It has been well documented that Mo has lost 45 pounds. He deserves all the credit for that. He has worked extremely hard to lose the weight. Although Mo has lost a lot of weight he is still not in great shape. When he isn't tired he becomes very effective. He is the best passer on the team by far. Needs to be more aggressive when he catches the ball on the low block.

Andre Hollins: Looked like an all conference player last practice. Didn't expect him to make the USA team because he had been studying abroad for a month. Andre is the epitome of a student athlete. Would love for him to be a more vocal leader. I fully expect him to have a great year.

Oto Osenieks: Has been solid over 4 practices. He has been playing mostly the 4 spot for us. It has given him the opportunity to shoot the three off of pick and pops. Would like for him to be more aggressive and physical on the glass.

Wally Ellenson: Had great success in the spring with the track team. It's very impressive for him to be able to become a high jump All American with a limited amount of practice. On the court he reminds me of a kid I coached at Louisville named Kyle Kuric. Wally is a very good athlete in the open floor and has shown the ability to offensive rebound. He has to continue to develop his three-point shot.

Joey King: Love his toughness. He truly believes he is the best player on the court. Confidence like that is extremely valuable. He raises the level of intensity for everyone in practice. His intensity is infectious. He, as well as Malik, both filed for NCAA waivers to be eligible this season.

Kendal Shell: Injured himself before last practice. Highest body fat on the team! To his credit he has lost a lot of weight. Will have a better feel for his game when he gets him shape. Great attitude and great kid.

Daquein McNeil: Day-Day, as well call him, has been the biggest pleasant surprise so far. Most freshman are tentative when they first come in but that has not been the case with him. Biggest room for improvement with him is his three-point shot.

Charles Buggs: Has a long way to go, but probably has the most potential to grow of anyone on the team. He will be very effective when we put in the press because of his length and athleticism.

Deandre Mathieu: Still in summer school at home. Really looking forward to working with him in the fall. Has great speed and quickness. Is a pass first point guard.

My staff is taking our newest T-Wolves addition to dinner tonight. Hopefully Gorgui brings that new bonus check for when the bill comes around!

Thanks again to Kris Humphries and Larry Fitzgerald for stopping by last week. We will have another practice this afternoon, then its off to July recruiting to hopefully find the next great Gopher!

Go Gophers!

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Pretty awesome for a head coach to put something like that out there! I am really hopeful that Pitino will push us to another level.

Read somewhere that Vaughn has us as his leader over UK and UNC right now. He's not ranked as highly as Jones, but would still probably be the highest ranked Gopher recruit in a loooong time, possibly ever.
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 7/9/2013 4:47:40 PM   
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If Pitino succeeds is he going to use the U as a stepping stone job to a better, higher profile program in a few years?
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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 7/9/2013 4:57:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stacey King

If Pitino succeeds is he going to use the U as a stepping stone job to a better, higher profile program in a few years?


That's always a concern.

But if he succeeds and leaves, we'll be a MUCH more attractive job than when he was hired.
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